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Tourmaline Jan 5, 2016 6:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7288499)
When I first happened across this photograph I wasn't sure what I had found.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...908/dbeyk1.jpg
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...d/17823/rec/21

"General store at Eighth Street and San Pedro, ca.1923" -the description also included a question, "City garden (name?)"
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We have actually seen this image before, but not with any of the elaboration you provided. http://skyscraperpage.com/forum/show...ostcount=17711


FWIW, there is a listing for the "City Garden" at San Pedro and Eighth. E.g., the 1893CD lists it as an Amusement. (1894CD lists a "City Garden" Saloon at Fifth and Broadway.)


I wonder about the attributed age of this image. The utility pole and paved-over tracks certainly suggests this could be the early '20s. Yet by that time fuel was generally being dispensed via dedicated pumps (which may not be in view). Much earlier, fuel would have been sold by the tin. Hard to say whether this was more of a general store versus an actual gas station. Also, unclear that advertising horse tack and whip maintenance was still in vogue by the '20s. A place lost in time???

I do not recognized the round object hanging from the upstairs window. It could be an advertisement for something that begins with a "T". Telegraph or telephone service? The shadow below the window suggests possibly that the object has been in place for sometime, rather than something temporarily hung out (to dry)? A light shade of some sort? A hose or wire spool? Did Thor misplace a shield? . . . A before its time satellite dish?



http://www.prices4antiques.com/item_...2/12/36-01.jpghttp://www.prices4antiques.com/item_...2/12/36-01.jpg

MichaelRyerson Jan 5, 2016 7:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tourmaline (Post 7286514)
Verne H. Winchell opened his first donut shop on October 8, 1948, in Temple City, CA.
http://winchells.com/wordpress/wp-co...oreOld-300.jpghttp://winchells.com/wordpress/wp-co...oreOld-300.jpg


https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hp...13592371_n.jpghttps://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hp...13592371_n.jpg




. . . and a related "donut" success story. :)
https://stories.californiasunday.com...doughnut-king/



Vintage Winchell's neon sign in Plummer Park (photo: Joel McKenna)
http://www.wehodaily.com/wp-content/...-winchells.jpghttp://www.wehodaily.com/wp-content/...-winchells.jpg http://www.wehodaily.com/2010/05/30/...k-to-route-66/




Perhaps not surprisingly, as early as 1909, donuts, or rather "doughnuts" were a going concern. Per 1909CD listing, doughnuts were manufactured by the Pendleton Brothers (Ernest and L.T.) at 845 McGarry Street (near the produce market dtla).




Worth a noirish repost?

1937 - Mayflower doughnuts (Eighth and Broadway)
http://jpg1.lapl.org/00008/00008726.jpg http://photos.lapl.org/carlweb/jsp/F...olNumber=10196


1939
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...XTs&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...EXT&DMROTATE=0
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...EXT&DMROTATE=0http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/utils/...EXT&DMROTATE=0 http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...id/22252/rec/5



Dan's - Danny's - Denny's?


:shrug:


https://www.dennys.com/company/about/

http://www.kcet.org/updaily/socal_fo...d-was-new.html


Danny's - Lakewood, 1957
http://www.kcet.org/updaily/socal_fo...e%20Dennys.jpghttp://www.kcet.org/updaily/socal_fo...e%20Dennys.jpg


https://41.media.tumblr.com/5435ce92...p8ao1_1280.jpghttps://41.media.tumblr.com/5435ce92...p8ao1_1280.jpg

Working purely from memory here, there was a brief time that the coffee shops sported a vertical sign which turned on a vertical axis and thus alternately displayed the name 'Danny's' and then 'Denny's' and back to 'Danny's' again, and so on.

HossC Jan 5, 2016 8:06 PM

Here's another early Julius Shulman photoset of a Gregory Ain designed building. In this case it's the Dunsmuir Flats at 1281 S Dunsmuir Avenue. The flats are not new to NLA - BifRayRock posted about them nearly three years ago in post #12869. This is "Job 096: Dunsmuir Apartments (Los Angeles, Calif.), 1940".

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...2.jpg~original

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...3.jpg~original

Again, there's only a single interior shot.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...4.jpg~original

All from Getty Research Institute

There are several sites with information about the Dunsmuir Flats including a 2012 article on la.curbed.com, which has a good collection of recent interior and exterior shots. More technical details can be found on www.greatbuildings.com. Here's how the flats look today. Some of the recent shots show the garage doors painted white, but I think the first image above shows that they were originally a little darker than the walls. At some point the building name and street numbers have been added over the garage doors.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...5.jpg~original
GSV

ethereal_reality Jan 5, 2016 9:06 PM

'mystery' location

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...905/jYtqkj.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-1950...0AAOSwp5JWWkC0

"Vintage 1950s Photograph Savory Bake Shop, Cars in Los Angeles"

I thought perhaps someone might recognize the rather interesting buildings in the background.
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The girl on the right might be wearing a school sweater.

but i couldn't make out the emblem.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...633/7IhEqS.png

unless it's a knight on horseback facing right...then again, maybe not. ;)

Flyingwedge Jan 5, 2016 9:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7288499)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...908/dbeyk1.jpg
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...d/17823/rec/21


originally posted by Flyingwedge
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...633/qQsWef.jpg
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=32299
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Does anyone know what the round object (sign?) near the window is? -also Puritan Hams and Bacon.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...911/CepFCx.jpg

:previous: Can anyone figure out the sign partially obscured by the utility pole? -it says....something ELLAS, and maybe parking in rear.

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Good eye to recognize the old City Garden building, e_r!

The 1923 LA City Directory lists William Wittefelt & Co, Harness Maker, at 786 S. San Pedro.

The top partially obscured sign may say "Umbrellas" and something about "Be Covered," but that's just a guess.
The other sign probably says "Entrance in the Rear."

I think the round sign shows the house address, 784. On the map the house is on the east side of San Pedro Street,
opposite where 8th Street jogs (the house has a pink front and a yellow back):
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...q.jpg~original
1921 Baist Map @ HistoricMapworks -- http://www.historicmapworks.com/Map/US/19418/Plate+012/

ethereal_reality Jan 5, 2016 9:35 PM

:previous: Thanks FW. I was pretty excited when I finally put two and two together, and realized it was the same house.



"Pedestrians on the sidewalk of the 6300 block of Hollywood Boulevard looking on from Cahuenga Boulevard, 1950s."

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...905/cAZxcR.jpg
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si.../id/4359/rec/2


Red Cross Shoes ad.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...908/lTedtK.jpg
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/260223684692564863/



http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...903/XR12Bm.jpg
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/260223684692564863/

I was surprised to see the American Red Cross emblem on the shoe ads. Was the emergency assistance organization somehow connected with Red Cross Shoes?

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GaylordWilshire Jan 5, 2016 10:06 PM

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-9...00099129_n.jpgLACC

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-c...66338507_n.jpgLACC



Two blocks of one of those overlooked neighborhoods (i.e., with only scant vintage photography available) to the southeast (largely small Victorians) and far southwest (many small Mediterraneans) of Los Angeles--in this case, a soggy West 64th Street on either side of Harvard Blvd. (Top view is toward the north side of 64th east of Harvard; below it the north side of 64th to the west.)


Today, still fairly intact. East of Harvard:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-H...2520PM.bmp.jpgGSV


Closeup:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-a...2520PM.bmp.jpgGSV



West of Harvard:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-A...2520PM.bmp.jpgGSV


Closeup of altered apartment house:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Q...2520PM.bmp.jpgGSV

ethereal_reality Jan 5, 2016 10:11 PM

:previous: Interesting before and after photographs GW.
It is a shame what's been done to that apartment building. It's rather sad looking today.

tovangar2 Jan 5, 2016 10:57 PM

City Gardens
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tourmaline (Post 7288601)
We have actually seen this image before, but not with any of the elaboration you provided. http://skyscraperpage.com/forum/show...ostcount=17711

When first posted, the image was credited to the Autry.

They give CC Pierce as the maker as Chuckaluck said. Their caption:

"Photograph of a building in Los Angeles, California, circa 1875, printed early to mid-1900s. Handwritten caption on verso: CITY GARDENS, AT SAN PEDRO AND EIGHTH STREETS. POPULAR RESORT IN 1870-80. FIRST STOP OUT OF TOWN ON THE SANTA MONICA RAILROAD. BOWLING ALLEYS IN BACK YARD."


As FW noted, the original brick (pink) building received a frame (yellow) extension at the back by the time of the photo.

The permit for the Richard D King designed building for the United States Rubber Company at 784 San Pedro was issued in August 1923:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-o...8%252520PM.jpg
gsv

Flyingwedge Jan 5, 2016 11:01 PM

Views from the Bradbury Mansion
 
We've seen the Bradbury Mansion at the SW corner of Hill and Court many times (here c. 1890):
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...0.jpg~original
CHS-189 @ USCDL -- http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/re...coll65/id/2429

But I don't believe we've ever seen the view from the roof. See the uppermost railing, to the left of the
middle chimney?
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...n.jpg~original

Here is a 1928 photo from that spot looking northeast at the Hall of Justice and old County Courthouse:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...f.jpg~original
UCLA -- http://lit250v.library.ucla.edu/isla...bartlett%3A506

This photo looks more east and is also dated 1928. Since the under-construction LA City Hall was dedicated
on April 26, 1928, this photo must have been taken very early that year:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...z.jpg~original
UCLA -- http://lit250v.library.ucla.edu/isla...bartlett%3A507

Here are newsreel outtakes from the LA City Hall dedication (this film may have been mentioned here recently):
http://mirc.sc.edu/islandora/object/usc%3A24590

Noircitydame Jan 5, 2016 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7288828)
:previous: Thanks FW. I was pretty excited when I finally put two and two together, and realized it was the same house.



"Pedestrians on the sidewalk of the 6300 block of Hollywood Boulevard looking on from Cahuenga Boulevard, 1950s."

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...905/cAZxcR.jpg
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si.../id/4359/rec/2


Red Cross Shoes ad.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...908/lTedtK.jpg
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/260223684692564863/



http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...903/XR12Bm.jpg
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/260223684692564863/

I was surprised to see the American Red Cross emblem on the shoe ads. Was the emergency assistance organization somehow connected with Red Cross Shoes?

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Hi E-R:

The Red Cross shoe brand (made by United States Shoe Corp) was a commercial shoe seller. I'm not sure why they would use the American Red Cross emblem.

During WWII, Red Cross changed its name for the duration to "Gold Cross Shoes" to avoid confusion with The Red Cross.
May Co. ad for Red Cross explaining the name change, 1-31-43.http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k...5-14350159.jpg

ethereal_reality Jan 6, 2016 12:14 AM

:previous: Thanks for answering my question Noircitydame. So there was no connection between the two.

I didn't know 'Red Cross Shoes' became 'Gold Cross Shoes' during WWII.
Did they revert back to 'Red Cross Shoes' after the war? I ask because the photograph I posted is dated 1950s in the USC archives.

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Noircitydame Jan 6, 2016 2:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7289034)
:previous: Thanks for answering my question Noircitydame. So there was no connection between the two.

I didn't know 'Red Cross Shoes' became 'Gold Cross Shoes' during WWII.
Did they revert back to 'Red Cross Shoes' after the war? I ask because the photograph I posted is dated 1950s in the USC archives.

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They seem to have gone back to the Red Cross name after 1949, but the ads carried language clarifying that they were absolutely, positively not affiliated with the American Red Cross.

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k...0in%2050_1.jpg LA Times Feb 1950.

The Hollywood retailer for Red Cross (and Gold Cross during the war) was Ferguson's at 6374 Hollywod Blvd. It was in the Classical-style building next to the streamliner at Hollywood & Cahuenga. We've seen this picture on NLA before but were focussed on other things:

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k...nga%201937.jpg
Hollywood & Cahuenga c. Dec 1937 (LAPL, Herman Schultheis)

MartinTurnbull Jan 6, 2016 2:59 AM

Brown Derby
 
http://www.martinturnbull.com/wp-con...shire-Blvd.jpg

Quote:

Originally Posted by MichaelRyerson (Post 7283867)
As Tourmaline has indicated, thanks to e-r, we've seen this before. I'd say from the angle we're seeing the Ambassador this is from when the Derby was on the west side of Alexandria and this vacant land is destined to become the Chapman Park Hotel bungalows and the Derby was forced across the street.

Ah, thanks. That explains why the Ambassador seemed to be in the wrong direction. I forgot that it moved locations. Thanks guys! (I did do a search first, but couldn't find the pic on this site.)

ethereal_reality Jan 6, 2016 3:13 AM

President Lyndon Johnson campaigning in Los Angeles, 1964(?)


Waiting...

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...907/m59iW1.jpg
eBay





Here he comes!

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...633/7qMaeO.jpg
eBay



He's stopping right in front of the Bradbury Building! :)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...910/jPB2bI.jpg
eBay


Over here Mr. President!

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...911/VW2u8w.jpg
eBay




http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...907/V30FDY.jpg
eBay





A cluster of policemen earlier in the day.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/907/yS08Fp.jpg
eBay

:previous: Victor what.. -cafeteria?


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I don't remember a COZY Theater.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...903/Hu50xo.jpg
detail of slide #1


Although it's on this map that we've seen countless times on NLA.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...903/QZnCPQ.jpg
http://www.uncanny.net/~wetzel/subwayarea.htm


Here's the building today (it's shorter now, having lost it's two upper floors)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...633/ouxTs2.jpg
gsv
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Thanks for the additional information on 'Red Cross Shoes' Noircitydame. It's much appreciated.
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Mstimc Jan 6, 2016 3:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MichaelRyerson (Post 7288668)
Working purely from memory here, there was a brief time that the coffee shops sported a vertical sign which turned on a vertical axis and thus alternately displayed the name 'Danny's' and then 'Denny's' and back to 'Danny's' again, and so on.

There seem to be far fewer Winchell's Donut shops than there used to be. I know of at least two within a couple miles of my house that have gone under. Now there's Zombies Donuts on my way to work in Fullerton, but damn if I'll pay two bucks for a donut!:slob:

CityBoyDoug Jan 6, 2016 5:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mstimc (Post 7289243)
There seem to be far fewer Winchell's Donut shops than there used to be. I know of at least two within a couple miles of my house that have gone under. Now there's Zombies Donuts on my way to work in Fullerton, but damn if I'll pay two bucks for a donut!:slob:

Most donut shops are now owned by families from Asia who do not understand American food and the friendly camaraderie that surrounds it. Many more traditional donut shops will probably close in the future. Its like a Chinese restaurant with Mexican cooks...it just doesn't work.

ProphetM Jan 6, 2016 6:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7289237)
President Lyndon Johnson campaigning in Los Angeles, 1964(?)



http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/907/yS08Fp.jpg
eBay

:previous: Victor what.. -cafeteria?


Victor Clothing Company.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-I...2%252520PM.jpg
GSV

This mural of Anthony Quinn is called "The Pope of Broadway" and is on the south side of the Hosfield Building at 240-244 S. Broadway, former home of the Victor Clothing Company. It's half a block north of the Bradbury. The Bradbury is the building depicted in the background of the mural, and in fact you can see the mural from inside the Bradbury:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-U...2/DSC01728.JPG
Photo by me, 2014

The Hosfield building was built in 1914 and first housed an annex to City Hall (which was next door to the north). The Victor Clothing Company opened just up the street in 1920, and moved to the Hosfield Building in 1964 when the LA Times bought their previous home. So their digs were brand new in the eBay photo. They closed up shop in 2001, but their blade sign & clock remains on the front of the building:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-p...8%252520PM.jpg
GSV

Bristolian Jan 6, 2016 6:59 AM

[QUOTE=ethereal_reality;7289237]President Lyndon Johnson campaigning in Los Angeles, 1964(?)

Over here Mr. President!

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...911/VW2u8w.jpg
eBay

Could this be a visit by LBJ when he was Vice President? It seems unlikely he'd be allowed to ride in an open car through a crowd like this after the JFK assassination. Some of the cars in the other photos are from the early '60s so it's not the 1960 campaign.

tovangar2 Jan 6, 2016 7:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge (Post 7288937)
Here is a 1928 photo from that spot looking northeast at the Hall of Justice and old County Courthouse:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...f.jpg~original
UCLA -- http://lit250v.library.ucla.edu/isla...bartlett%3A506

This photo looks more east and is also dated 1928. Since the under-construction LA City Hall was dedicated
on April 26, 1928, this photo must have been taken very early that year:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...z.jpg~original
UCLA -- http://lit250v.library.ucla.edu/isla...bartlett%3A507

Here are newsreel outtakes from the LA City Hall dedication (this film may have been mentioned here recently):
http://mirc.sc.edu/islandora/object/usc%3A24590

Thank you so much for these images FW and the link.

Do you think the Bradbury's spire was terra cotta? I can't tell. Surprisingly small outlets from that massive chimney. Nice to see the Stevens Apts and the Harmonia Apts/Bixby house from this angle in that last photo.


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