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BruceP May 24, 2023 8:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gandalf612 (Post 9952287)
Harvard doesn't have a requirement to live on campus, but 95% of students do anyway. It's not uncommon for elite liberal arts universities to require or encourage it. They think living in a "scholarly community" is a key tenet of a liberal arts education

Very true. My U. of Chicago scholarship (back in the Stone Age) included room and board, even though I lived in Chicago with my parents, for that very reason.

Bonsai Tree May 24, 2023 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gandalf612 (Post 9952287)
Harvard doesn't have a requirement to live on campus, but 95% of students do anyway. It's not uncommon for elite liberal arts universities to require or encourage it. They think living in a "scholarly community" is a key tenet of a liberal arts education

Yeah I've heard this a lot too. But it's clearly just a thinly veneered attempt to scam students of more money.

WestsideLA May 24, 2023 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Klippenstein (Post 9952198)
Construction under way at Harper Court Phase II. These are from the past week.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...e1fcfcee_b.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...b6fb4df4_b.jpg

Glad to see it's going up finally!!

WestsideLA May 25, 2023 2:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Bonsai Tree (Post 9952492)
Yeah I've heard this a lot too. But it's clearly just a thinly veneered attempt to scam students of more money.

Every one is entitled to their opinion, and I don't object to this as a casual observation. But I think the real motivation is not so much the desire to cash in short term by capturing more housing fees, but instead is really motivated by the belief that if students stay in housing and they build a strong community and have a great time, they will look more fondly on the University over the years and one day make the big pay out that will put a smile on the development office's face.

gandalf612 May 25, 2023 5:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bonsai Tree (Post 9952492)
Yeah I've heard this a lot too. But it's clearly just a thinly veneered attempt to scam students of more money.

Oh absolutely, but it's not the housing itself that gets them money. Providing housing and unlimited dining plans is not a profitable venture especially with how much financial aid they give out. The real money comes from alumni with fond memories of their campus community. I worked in event planning while in college and it was comical how much bigger the budgets for freshmen and senior events were as opposed to sophomore and junior. The reason? Most people only really remember their freshman and senior years so you get a much greater return on your investment focusing on making them fun.

Rally Monkey May 25, 2023 5:54 PM

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Originally Posted by WestsideLA (Post 9952673)
Every one is entitled to their opinion, and I don't object to this as a casual observation. But I think the real motivation is not so much the desire to cash in short term by capturing more housing fees, but instead is really motivated by the belief that if students stay in housing and they build a strong community and have a great time, they will look more fondly on the University over the years and one day make the big pay out that will put a smile on the development office's face.

I agree with this. It might also be a reaction to increasing concerns among current and prospective students (whether fair or not) that Chicago is a less safe place to live. And that rents in Hyde Park and now Woodlawn are becoming more expensive. I bet that the College will market its dorms to upperclassmen as secure and relatively cheap places to live close to campus.

Meanwhile, check this out: The satellite view of the University of Chicago and Hyde Park has just been updated in Google Earth. See here:

https://earth.google.com/web/search/...pAId8GRBhWp0rA

You'll also see at the link that an intrepid pedestrian captured new street level photos of the campus in March for Google Street View. He covered all the quads and offers a first view (for me, at least) of the newly built multiuse facility on Kimbark across the Midway. (I think it looks very good.) Spend some time with it!

Klippenstein Jun 27, 2023 12:49 AM

Almost forgot to update that the crane just was put up for Harper Court Phase II.

WestsideLA Jun 28, 2023 4:42 AM

Cancer Center Officially Approved
 
https://www.uchicagomedicine.org/for...earch-facility

Klippenstein Aug 10, 2023 11:45 PM

Harper Court from Monday

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...9ab26dbe_b.jpg

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...26a74625_b.jpg

WestsideLA Aug 21, 2023 7:16 PM

https://chicagoyimby.com/2023/08/har...hyde-park.html

https://chicagoyimby.com/wp-content/.../DSCF3013.jpeg

r18tdi Aug 21, 2023 8:33 PM

Not sure how I feel about that podium cladding... What's the opposite of "good?"

Klippenstein Aug 21, 2023 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by r18tdi (Post 10019333)
Not sure how I feel about that podium cladding... What's the opposite of "good?"

That’s the old cladding. The new cladding will be a type of glass with fins I believe, but the old cladding will stay where it is I believe.

WestsideLA Aug 22, 2023 9:45 PM

website:
https://hydeparklabs.com

and brochure:
https://cbre.ent.box.com/s/p4mqo04es...1vgunm6zwm5jjt

sentinel Aug 22, 2023 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by WestsideLA (Post 10020360)

Awesome, thanks for sharing!

The project looks great, and it's wonderful seeing how Chicago is basically the center of the quantum computing science world. So many companies, incubators, labs, etc.

WestsideLA Sep 21, 2023 5:31 AM

More Cancer Hospital Pics
 
https://www.archpaper.com/2023/09/ca...ncer-pavilion/

https://www.archpaper.com/wp-content...ilionfive.webp

WestsideLA Sep 22, 2023 5:08 AM

Windows
 
https://chicagomaroon.com/39883/news...kage-problems/

https://www.hpherald.com/evening_dig...ba755b58e.html

sentinel Sep 28, 2023 2:43 PM

The new University of Chicago Medicine Cancer Center in Hyde Park has broken ground:

https://chicago.urbanize.city/post/u...-breaks-ground

Randomguy34 Sep 28, 2023 11:28 PM

Passed by Hyde Park Labs and it looks like it topped out

sentinel Sep 29, 2023 3:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Randomguy34 (Post 10048937)
Passed by Hyde Park Labs and it looks like it topped out

Any pics?

Klippenstein Sep 30, 2023 12:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sentinel (Post 10049414)
Any pics?

It’s just the core. Been meaning to upload pictures. Here’s one from last week. I can’t get the url to post it when I’m on my phone.

Klippenstein Nov 19, 2023 9:09 PM

From last week
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...a0abf602_b.jpg

WestsideLA Dec 25, 2023 11:35 PM

New Photo of New Science and Engineering Building
 
https://rtmec.com/wp-content/uploads...Architects.jpg
https://rtmec.com/portfolio/universi...ence-building/

Randomguy34 Dec 26, 2023 12:39 AM

More renderings

https://media.licdn.com/dms/image/D5...QMEHhNDj6NCcQs

https://media.licdn.com/dms/image/D5...8cxgqEAhPXw_Vk

https://media.licdn.com/dms/image/D5...-lxSogGR_suqTU
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/rtm-e...57672192-6G0d/

WestsideLA Dec 26, 2023 1:11 AM

Good find. Thanks much!!

ChiND Dec 26, 2023 1:48 AM

What’s the address for this building?

SIGSEGV Dec 26, 2023 2:36 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiND (Post 10109360)
What’s the address for this building?


It's replacing accelerator, so presumably something like 5620 S Ellis Ave.

(I work in 5640 S Ellis, so I'll probably have some nice updates on this once they finally knock down accelerator... They were supposed to a while ago).

sentinel Dec 26, 2023 3:10 PM

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Originally Posted by SIGSEGV (Post 10109375)
It's replacing accelerator, so presumably something like 5620 S Ellis Ave.

(I work in 5640 S Ellis, so I'll probably have some nice updates on this once they finally knock down accelerator... They were supposed to a while ago).

That is the building being replaced, correct.

Fun story: The last A/E firm I worked at was partnered with Payette, as one of the finalists for the design of the NESB. I was not part of that design team/project, but was aware of the collaboration in the office and saw the development of the competition design over the course of 4-5 months. I have to say, it was far more compelling and unique a design than this is. U of C chose the safest and sadly, blandest design for what is planned as a major, literal corner of the University.

My old firm's design had 9 floors + two below grade. It was L-shaped, hugging the corner of 57th and Ellis Ave...but the really cool parts where 1.) the facade design and 2.) the negative spaces sculpted out of the building, which were spherical. The SW-facing inside area facing the Engineering quad almost appeared as if was sculpted out of a large sphere's negative space, with the canopy extending out into the quad and then curving up along the building facade to the top floor. That entire curved facade wall was composed of solar panels, to take advantage of that optimal angle for solar gain. There were also smaller curved "cut-outs", along the corner of 57th and Ellis, and further south along Ellis, which acted as multi-floor tall meeting areas, or student gathering spaces. I may have some renders somewhere, or I can sketch it from memory, if I remember to do so.

The biggest roadblock was the school's vice-provost, who is an....incredibly challenging person, and had their own ideas of what the building needed to be. For a relatively design-forward organization, I think U of C missed a big opportunity by not moving forward with that design, because it wasn't just unique, but also provided high functionality with lots of future flex space built-in, as well as unique overhead connections to the Eckhardt science building to the south.
Oh well.

Randomguy34 Dec 26, 2023 3:25 PM

^ even this concept design looks much cooler than what we're getting for the final product

https://www.hdrinc.com/sites/default...l-d700-397.jpg
https://www.hdrinc.com/portfolio/uni...ience-building

WestsideLA Dec 26, 2023 6:11 PM

It appears to mostly be a continuation of the Eckhardt Research Center. Keeping the blue glass facade. It at least references its surroundings in that regard. And the castlelike tower thing seems to reference some of the Gothic towers on campus. I do like it better than the accelerator building, and it should be nice to have a gateway to North Science Quad through the building. But I'm not saying it's the most amazing building ever. Sort of like the cancer center. I suppose it's OK. Would be interesting to see the competing designs.

Rally Monkey Dec 26, 2023 7:13 PM

Good stuff. Unless I'm missing something, the design above looks quite a bit different from the earlier design we've saw, which included a plaza at the corner of Ellis and 56th:

https://www.hdrinc.com/sites/default...l-d700-397.jpg

sentinel Dec 26, 2023 7:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rally Monkey (Post 10109556)
Good stuff. Unless I'm missing something, the design above looks quite a bit different from the earlier design we've saw, which included a plaza at the corner of Ellis and 56th:

https://www.hdrinc.com/sites/default...l-d700-397.jpg

It is a different design, correct.

I'm pretty confident this is what transpired: the Vice-Provost, specifically the individual who oversees the budget for all capital, facilities and infrastructure, saw the preliminary DD budget estimate for the design in the image above, and shut it down, concerned about escalating construction material costs and borrowing costs (although, admittedly, not sure how private university capital projects funding works). As a knee-jerk reaction, the individual decided 'No way!' and asked the selected design team of HDR and Allison Williams to 'tone it down', which lead to the watered down design, that as WestsideLA mentioned, really looks like a continuation of the Eckhardt building to the south. And again, is it a bad design? Not at all. Is it boring, uninspiring, safe and a major missed opportunity? Yeah.

dewbs Dec 26, 2023 9:01 PM

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Originally Posted by sentinel (Post 10109561)
It is a different design, correct.

I'm pretty confident this is what transpired: the Vice-Provost, specifically the individual who oversees the budget for all capital, facilities and infrastructure, saw the preliminary DD budget estimate for the design in the image above, and shut it down, concerned about escalating construction material costs and borrowing costs (although, admittedly, not sure how private university capital projects funding works). As a knee-jerk reaction, the individual decided 'No way!' and asked the selected design team of HDR and Allison Williams to 'tone it down', which lead to the watered down design, that as WestsideLA mentioned, really looks like a continuation of the Eckhardt building to the south. And again, is it a bad design? Not at all. Is it boring, uninspiring, safe and a major missed opportunity? Yeah.

The U of C has pretty serious budget issues. I've never really understood it, but they just seem to have a very poor culture in terms of management -- much worse than Northwestern, even though it's academically far stronger (though universities generally often have weird financial management -- Harvard in 2009 had massive problems that never should have occurred). The U of C is sort of in budget freakout mode these days, and it's not surprising to me that there would be some ham-handed clamping down.

sentinel Dec 26, 2023 9:58 PM

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Originally Posted by dewbs (Post 10109584)
The U of C has pretty serious budget issues. I've never really understood it, but they just seem to have a very poor culture in terms of management -- much worse than Northwestern, even though it's academically far stronger (though universities generally often have weird financial management -- Harvard in 2009 had massive problems that never should have occurred). The U of C is sort of in budget freakout mode these days, and it's not surprising to me that there would be some ham-handed clamping down.

This is a good point...but it's also concerning because U of C completed their most recent fundraising campaign in 2018-19, having raised well above their $5 BILLION goal. And granted, endowments, revocable trusts, etc., are different than university budgets. But to your point, I have heard of recent budget issues that they've been dealing with, but didn't know it was potentially as problematic as what you've described. They have completed a LOT of new building projects, renovations, build-outs, improvements, just in the past 7-10 years, so perhaps that's where they'll start cutting back on :shrug:

SIGSEGV Dec 27, 2023 3:47 AM

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Originally Posted by sentinel (Post 10109602)
This is a good point...but it's also concerning because U of C completed their most recent fundraising campaign in 2018-19, having raised well above their $5 BILLION goal. And granted, endowments, revocable trusts, etc., are different than university budgets. But to your point, I have heard of recent budget issues that they've been dealing with, but didn't know it was potentially as problematic as what you've described. They have completed a LOT of new building projects, renovations, build-outs, improvements, just in the past 7-10 years, so perhaps that's where they'll start cutting back on :shrug:


They keep announcing new belt-tightening measures to try to cut down operating budgets (e.g. they announced no meals without visitors, requiring booking flights through university travel agency, etc., even though that is typically external money being used in our case, and the University actually makes money off of it due to overhead)... and are in the midst of a financial "modernization." I didn't go to the last budget town hall, but my understanding based on reading e-mails from the provost is basically that the University spent a bunch of money trying to build out new programs (mostly IME, I guess) and operated at a deficit to do that, and now wants to get back on track. While I imagine capital budgets are separate, I guess they might be worried about both cost and schedule overruns. Recent projects (e.g. the High Bay Research building) have certainly not been on schedule, but that was definitely pandemic-related to some extent.

But the capital budget and operating budget are separate.

SIGSEGV Dec 27, 2023 4:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sentinel (Post 10109482)
That is the building being replaced, correct.

Fun story: The last A/E firm I worked at was partnered with Payette, as one of the finalists for the design of the NESB. I was not part of that design team/project, but was aware of the collaboration in the office and saw the development of the competition design over the course of 4-5 months. I have to say, it was far more compelling and unique a design than this is. U of C chose the safest and sadly, blandest design for what is planned as a major, literal corner of the University.

My old firm's design had 9 floors + two below grade. It was L-shaped, hugging the corner of 57th and Ellis Ave...but the really cool parts where 1.) the facade design and 2.) the negative spaces sculpted out of the building, which were spherical. The SW-facing inside area facing the Engineering quad almost appeared as if was sculpted out of a large sphere's negative space, with the canopy extending out into the quad and then curving up along the building facade to the top floor. That entire curved facade wall was composed of solar panels, to take advantage of that optimal angle for solar gain. There were also smaller curved "cut-outs", along the corner of 57th and Ellis, and further south along Ellis, which acted as multi-floor tall meeting areas, or student gathering spaces. I may have some renders somewhere, or I can sketch it from memory, if I remember to do so.

The biggest roadblock was the school's vice-provost, who is an....incredibly challenging person, and had their own ideas of what the building needed to be. For a relatively design-forward organization, I think U of C missed a big opportunity by not moving forward with that design, because it wasn't just unique, but also provided high functionality with lots of future flex space built-in, as well as unique overhead connections to the Eckhardt science building to the south.
Oh well.

Yes, the UChicago administration can be ... challenging.

That's unfortunate, 9 stories above ground here would be great (even though it would ruin the view from the Hubble Lounge even more, probably...) and probably help more with the space crunch in ERC...

Rally Monkey Dec 28, 2023 12:11 AM

I've had a chance now to digest these renderings, and my verdict is that they're fine. I think I was expecting a "game changer"--a unique standalone gateway structure that would re-define the north campus. But instead it looks like they're opting for a more modest extension of Eckhardt that will create a continuous facade along Ellis with an overhanging tower feature that evokes the highly successful David Rubinstein Forum in Campus South. I'm guessing the project was down-scoped due to costs, but I'd be surprised if that has anything to do with the University tightening its operating budget.

Fortunately, the one design element I was hoping to see is there: Today, access from Ellis to the North Science Quad is through a narrow path between Eckhard and Accelerator. The new building will have a generous opening to Ellis that appears to create clear sightlines from the quad to the iconic Nuclear Energy statue. And it looks like that section of the building will be just four stories high, which will make sure that critical stretch of Ellis isn't in shadows half for half the day, lying under a hulking mass.

All and all, I think this design does no harm. Definitely an improvement over Accelerator, obviously a huge new asset to the science and engineering programs, and a solid addition to the campus design. Could be worse.

ardecila Dec 28, 2023 8:01 PM

Are they tearing down High Energy too? That's a shame, it's a really elegant building. I love the way it, well, seems to defy gravity.

I assume Michelson is safe, since it's practically brand new. And what happens to TAAC - I thought the trailers were supposed to be removed already?

Rally Monkey Dec 28, 2023 9:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ardecila (Post 10110350)
Are they tearing down High Energy too? That's a shame, it's a really elegant building. I love the way it, well, seems to defy gravity.

I assume Michelson is safe, since it's practically brand new. And what happens to TAAC - I thought the trailers were supposed to be removed already?

Sorry to report that High Energy is a goner, along with Accelerator. But Michelson abides!

SIGSEGV Dec 28, 2023 9:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ardecila (Post 10110350)
Are they tearing down High Energy too? That's a shame, it's a really elegant building. I love the way it, well, seems to defy gravity.

I assume Michelson is safe, since it's practically brand new. And what happens to TAAC - I thought the trailers were supposed to be removed already?

Michelson was built on top of LASR (which I briefly had an office in before moving to Eckhardt once it was completed in September 2015) and is of course safe, being only a few years old.

Rally Monkey Dec 29, 2023 8:32 PM



I've been studying this rendering more closely, and it looks like the plan includes some upgrades to the area east of Ellis fronting the Nuclear Energy statue. The rendering shows that the sidewalk in front of the statue and plinth has been widened south to the Mansueto Library and is replaced with smaller pavers (the same kind, I think, that would be used across the way in the new building's entrance walkway into the North Science Quad). This maybe is imagined as the terminus of a mid-block pedestrian corridor that would stretch to Maryland Ave. If that's the idea, I approve!

WestsideLA Dec 30, 2023 7:28 AM

Cancer Center Groundbreaking Vid
 
This vid about the cancer center groundbreaking seems to show at least one new rendering (:31) that I hadn't seen before from the new park:

https://www.uchicagomedicine.org/for...groundbreaking

ChiND Dec 31, 2023 2:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SIGSEGV (Post 10109375)
It's replacing accelerator, so presumably something like 5620 S Ellis Ave.

(I work in 5640 S Ellis, so I'll probably have some nice updates on this once they finally knock down accelerator... They were supposed to a while ago).

Thank you! It looks amazing!

WestsideLA Jan 1, 2024 2:39 AM

Helping to Pay for UChicago Medicine Expansion
 
The following will help pay for UChicago Medicine's expansion, including new buildings:

According Fitch, UChicago paid $250 million for Advent Health's 4 hospitals in the western suburbs and expects to receive an additional $1 billion in revenue annually in return.

" UChicago Medicine's total operating revenue measured nearly $3 billion in audited fiscal 2022 (June 30 FYE). The planned acquisition of AdventHealth's Chicagoland assets will add nearly $1 billion in operating revenue to the system."

"The acquisition of AdventHealth's Chicagoland assets includes a purchase price of approximately $250 million."

https://www.fitchratings.com/researc...ble-17-11-2022

Rally Monkey Mar 7, 2024 10:06 PM

UChicago has posted milestone dates and other information regarding the New Engineering and Science Building project. No renderings of design plans, but it does include an interesting Site Plan. Looks like they're planning to attach the NESB to the Michelson Center to the west and will feature a pedestrian passageway to the east that centers the Fermi Memorial Sculpture.

WestsideLA Mar 13, 2024 4:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rally Monkey (Post 10159873)
UChicago has posted milestone dates and other information regarding the New Engineering and Science Building project. No renderings of design plans, but it does include an interesting Site Plan. Looks like they're planning to attach the NESB to the Michelson Center to the west and will feature a pedestrian passageway to the east that centers the Fermi Memorial Sculpture.

That first link doesn't seem to be working (any more). The site plan is interesting. Interesting that it will run right up to, or connect with, Michelson.

WestsideLA Mar 14, 2024 2:31 AM

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Originally Posted by WestsideLA (Post 10163341)
That first link doesn't seem to be working (any more). The site plan is interesting. Interesting that it will run right up to, or connect with, Michelson.

I see the milestone page is now back online.

Milestone Dates
Schematic Design - Completion: ~ August 2024
Design Development - Completion: ~ March 2025
Demolition of Existing Buildings - October 2024 to January 14th 2025
Start of Construction - June 2025
NESB Completion - September 2028


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