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chicagopcclcar1 Mar 10, 2015 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by CTA Gray Line (Post 6945567)
http://www.transportnotes.com/south-...t-study-shame/

Posted on March 8, 2015 by fbfree

In 2012 the Chicago Department of Transportation commissioned the South Lakefront Corridor Transit Study (“the report”) from 31st to 95th streets in response to very strong community interest in improving transit access, especially along the Metra Electric corridor. The report used dishonest assumptions to pan the idea of rapid transit service on the Metra Electric line, citing high capital and operational costs and low ridership......


Who says "dishonest assumption" were used????Metra Electric costs TOO MUCH for urban people on the south side. Whats why the people want a genuine CTA "L".

chicagopcclcar1 Mar 10, 2015 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by CTA Gray Line (Post 6945562)
Everybody is entitled to their opinion, IMHO Rahm is USING the communities needs as an excuse to pad some rich Construction Guy's pockets, like Machiavelli's "The Prince" would do -- when vastly cheaper alternatives are available.

All that "Capacity Planning for the Future" official spin is just how Block 37 got built; and while additional capacity at Clark Jct. will surely be needed in the future, the flyover isn't the ONLY WAY ("spin") to do it: http://bit.ly/FlyoverSwitch And trying to make the affected property owners feel guilty and selfish about the situation, is right out of the Chapter that Rahm penned in "The Prince". $320M could do A LOT of other things in a lot of other Chicago places.

With Jesse Jackson Sr's (and Danny Davis's) endorsments, Rahm has already lost the election (the entire Black community HATES him, and will come out in droves -- "It's a Party - Hey Hey") so Chuy is not "pandering" -- He's earned that Faith in him.


This was already reposted...."
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Originally Posted by Chicago Shawn (Post 6943807)
Well that seals the deal for me; Garcia's pandering for votes is now dangerous for the city's future prosperity. This is the key choke point for the 1st and 3rd busiest transit lines in the entire midsection of the country. Capacity cannot be added to these lines without a major rebuild of Clark Jct; except for building out all platforms on the red and brown for 10 car trains or purchasing articulated railcars; both of which will be more expensive than the flyover. Coming out flatly against this important concept which isn't even fully designed and flushed out with details yet is ignorant and reeks of trying to lock up up votes wherever he can find them; regardless of facts.


Chicago Shawn Mar 11, 2015 1:36 AM

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Originally Posted by CTA Gray Line (Post 6945562)
Everybody is entitled to their opinion, IMHO Rahm is USING the communities needs as an excuse to pad some rich Construction Guy's pockets, like Machiavelli's "The Prince" would do -- when vastly cheaper alternatives are available.

All that "Capacity Planning for the Future" official spin is just how Block 37 got built; and while additional capacity at Clark Jct. will surely be needed in the future, the flyover isn't the ONLY WAY ("spin") to do it: http://bit.ly/FlyoverSwitch And trying to make the affected property owners feel guilty and selfish about the situation, is right out of the Chapter that Rahm penned in "The Prince". $320M could do A LOT of other things in a lot of other Chicago places.

With Jesse Jackson Sr's (and Danny Davis's) endorsments, Rahm has already lost the election (the entire Black community HATES him, and will come out in droves -- "It's a Party - Hey Hey") so Chuy is not "pandering" -- He's earned that Faith in him.


Fact check: A flyover at Clark Jct has been looked at for a long time, long before Rahm even considered running for mayor. Its only recently that its being pushed for because CTA rail ridership is at historic highs.

Chuy is pandering to the NIMBYs upset at the concept plan, plain and simple.

And a bit of an overstatement saying the "entire black community" hates Rahm, don't ya think?

BTW, Clark Jct is not a "communities" need; its a city need. Red Line traverses nearly an entire cross section of the city. No new capacity for the Dan Ryan branch too as long as this choke point remains. Brown and Purple also cannot add capacity until this gets fixed. The system already backs up in Rush Hour because of it, in normal operations.

CTA Gray Line Mar 11, 2015 2:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Chicago Shawn (Post 6945964)
Fact check: A flyover at Clark Jct has been looked at for a long time, long before Rahm even considered running for mayor. Its only recently that its being pushed for because CTA rail ridership is at historic highs.

Chuy is pandering to the NIMBYs upset at the concept plan, plain and simple.

And a bit of an overstatement saying the "entire black community" hates Rahm, don't ya think?

BTW, Clark Jct is not a "communities" need; its a city need. Red Line traverses nearly an entire cross section of the city. No new capacity for the Dan Ryan branch too as long as this choke point remains. Brown and Purple also cannot add capacity until this gets fixed. The system already backs up in Rush Hour because of it, in normal operations.

As I said Shawn, that is all politcal spin; Block 37 was a big "city need" also, we would lose ALL our Tourism without it, remember?

And like I keep mentioning Alex Clifford -- there is NO honesty in NE Illinois Politics about anything, so why should anybody believe anything they say?

That thing about Blacks hating Rahm is an understatement; are Blacks actually supposed to accept his explantion for F**King the Black community, and sign-up for 4 more years. Now explain to me (as a Black person) how he didn't actually F**K us, and that we just don't have the intelligence to understand he was doing what's best for us.

CTA Gray Line Mar 11, 2015 2:15 AM

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Originally Posted by chicagopcclcar1 (Post 6945750)
Who says "dishonest assumption" were used????Metra Electric costs TOO MUCH for urban people on the south side. Whats why the people want a genuine CTA "L".

He, the Author (fbfree) says "dishonest assumptions" were used, and I agree with him 1,000% (I pulled my Blindfold off long ago)

And so how much would it cost to eliminate the unwanted MED, and replace it with a conventional CTA "L" along the same routes (please answer the question as stated). Estimate the cost David, since it's your idea.

chicagopcclcar1 Mar 11, 2015 5:09 AM

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Originally Posted by CTA Gray Line (Post 6946010)
He, the Author (fbfree) says "dishonest assumptions" were used, and I agree with him 1,000% (I pulled my Blindfold off long ago)

And so how much would it cost to eliminate the unwanted MED, and replace it with a conventional CTA "L" along the same routes (please answer the question as stated). Estimate the cost David, since it's your idea.

Why you can't understand, to CANNOT REPLACE MED with a conventional CTA "L". I don't know why you can't understand that. Decals, engineer and conductors and trainmen, 1500 v. DC, etc etc. 15 years and counting. You can make a CTA like that.

How dare you tell me to estimate something. Your fantasy need a quick death. METRA and CTA have done that for 15 years.

I'm through. No more from me.

CTA Gray Line Mar 11, 2015 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by chicagopcclcar1 (Post 6946217)
Why you can't understand, to CANNOT REPLACE MED with a conventional CTA "L". I don't know why you can't understand that. Decals, engineer and conductors and trainmen, 1500 v. DC, etc etc. 15 years and counting. You can make a CTA like that.

How dare you tell me to estimate something. Your fantasy need a quick death. METRA and CTA have done that for 15 years.

I'm through. No more from me.

I don't understand it David because I don't think like you do; nor do I see things from your point of view, why can't you understand that?
Do you think a different City Administration is going to look at things the same way the present one does?

How DARE you tell me that my Project was included in the RTP not on it's own intrinsic merit, but because they needed a "Token Negro Project".

"Crabs-in-a-Barrel" means that one Black person JUST CANNOT STAND to see another Black person succeed in any way, and will do anything to derail them!

"No more from me." -- T H A N K GOD......

CTA Gray Line Mar 12, 2015 2:06 AM

Garcia criticizes Ashland bus rapid transit plan
 
http://chicago.suntimes.com/chicago-...-not-done-deal

Posted: 03/11/2015, 08:29pm | Rosalind Rossi

Mayoral contender Jesus “Chuy” Garcia on Wednesday dumped on a city plan to run 16 miles of dedicated bus lanes down the center of Ashland Avenue just as CTA President Forrest Claypool insisted the proposal “was not a done deal”......

ardecila Mar 12, 2015 2:23 AM

Ugh.

Chuy: "All the city's plans for transit expansion are garbage. Let's kill all of them, and remove the red light cameras to make it easier on all those poor suffering drivers."

BVictor1 Mar 12, 2015 4:07 AM

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Originally Posted by CTA Gray Line (Post 6945562)
With Jesse Jackson Sr's (and Danny Davis's) endorsments, Rahm has already lost the election (the entire Black community HATES him, and will come out in droves -- "It's a Party - Hey Hey") so Chuy is not "pandering" -- He's earned that Faith in him.

That's one hell of an assumption to make. And yes, Chuy is totally pandering. If Rahm came out tomorrow and said that he was proposing a Gray Line along the lakefront you'd totally shoot your wad.

The black community (too many) were dumb enough to listen to the endorsements of clergy and what not back in the November generals and look how that turned out. There a governor in office who wants to cut funding to public transit.

I hardly think the black community will come out in droves to vote because they're too damn lazy to do so and I say this as an African-American. The most recent election was one of the lowest voter turnouts on record which is why when people complain, I can't seem to find the time to listen.

It was never Chuy's ambition to be mayor. He was thrust into the limelight because Lewis got sick and asked him to run. He has no plans and is just saying what people want to hear, unlike most politicians. At least Rahm has connections in D.C. and can actually get things done.

CTA Gray Line Mar 12, 2015 4:15 AM

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Originally Posted by BVictor1 (Post 6947626)
That's one hell of an assumption to make. And yes, Chuy is totally pandering. If Rahm came out tomorrow and said that he was proposing a Gray Line along the lakefront you'd totally shoot your wad.

The black community (too many) were dumb enough to listen to the endorsements of clergy and what not back in the November generals and look how that turned out. There a governor in office who wants to cut funding to public transit.

I hardly think the black community will come out in droves to vote because they're too damn lazy to do so and I say this as an African-American. The most recent election was one of the lowest voter turnouts on record which is why when people complain, I can't seem to find the time to listen.

It was never Chuy's ambition to be mayor. He was thrust into the limelight because Lewis got sick and asked him to run. He has no plans and is just saying what people want to hear, unlike most politicians. At least Rahm has connections in D.C. and can actually get things done.

WOW -- The next four weeks are going to be a real UFC/MMA Cage Fight, people have such S T R O N G L Y differing opinions;
the past election had the lowest turnout because it was a foregone conclusion that Rahm was going to win, so why go out in
the C O L D to vote? Now that people see that he can LOSE an election -- I think they'll be lining-up Monday morning.

Rahm would N E V E R say that about the Gray Line, and IF he did he would retract it the day after the election; so that is not even a consideration.

YOU are entitled to YOUR opinion, and I am entitled to MINE (neither is necessarily the "right" one).

CTA Gray Line Mar 12, 2015 4:25 AM

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Originally Posted by BVictor1 (Post 6947626)
That's one hell of an assumption to make. And yes, Chuy is totally pandering. If Rahm came out tomorrow and said that he was proposing a Gray Line along the lakefront you'd totally shoot your wad.

The black community (too many) were dumb enough to listen to the endorsements of clergy and what not back in the November generals and look how that turned out. There a governor in office who wants to cut funding to public transit.

I hardly think the black community will come out in droves to vote because they're too damn lazy to do so and I say this as an African-American. The most recent election was one of the lowest voter turnouts on record which is why when people complain, I can't seem to find the time to listen.

It was never Chuy's ambition to be mayor. He was thrust into the limelight because Lewis got sick and asked him to run. He has no plans and is just saying what people want to hear, unlike most politicians. At least Rahm has connections in D.C. and can actually get things done.

YES -- "Get things done" like another Block 37 Money Abyss of his own!

BVictor1 Mar 12, 2015 2:30 PM

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Originally Posted by CTA Gray Line (Post 6947642)
YES -- "Get things done" like another Block 37 Money Abyss of his own!

Block 37 had nothing to do with the current administration and was a product of bad planning. The junction up north is a known choke point that's seen and felt by riders on a daily basis. Bit of a difference.

BVictor1 Mar 12, 2015 2:35 PM

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Originally Posted by CTA Gray Line (Post 6947629)
the past election had the lowest turnout because it was a foregone conclusion that Rahm was going to win, so why go out in
the C O L D to vote?

The 46% or whatever it was Rahm got was more than what the other guy received, so technically he did win, he just didn't reach the required threshold and the vote was being split between 5 candidates.

Saying the weather and people thinking it was a foregone conclusion is a weak as explanation and excuse not to vote. Another one of those reasons why I have no time to listen to peoples bitching and stupidity regarding issues.

CTA Gray Line Mar 12, 2015 3:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BVictor1 (Post 6947977)
Block 37 had nothing to do with the current administration and was a product of bad planning. The junction up north is a known choke point that's seen and felt by riders on a daily basis. Bit of a difference.

I lived Lawrence & Kimball and rode the Brown Line every day to work downtown for over 3 years, I am quite familiar with it's day-to-day operation. The junction truly is a choke point, the difference is in how to solve the problem. And the Flyover is THIS administration's 320 Million Dollars worth of BAD PLANNING (but I guess nobody is supposed to recognize that, or attempt to do anything about it). Should nobody should have attempted to do anything to stop Block 37 -- back at the time before it was built?

Chuy IS going to be elected, and he has stated that the Flyover is a waste of Taxpayer Dollars; do you think the old CTA Administration will be able to change his mind once he's in office on that? He also doesn't like the Ashland BRT Waste of 160 Million Dollars worth of Taxpayer Funds either -- Good.

That is 480 Million Dollars, don't you think he'll arrange for a new CTA Planning Dept, with new ideas to spend it on?

J_M_Tungsten Mar 12, 2015 6:03 PM

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Originally Posted by CTA Gray Line (Post 6948062)
Chuy IS going to be elected

Lol, doubtful. "Chuy for Mayor: The Man without a Plan"

sentinel Mar 12, 2015 7:25 PM

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Originally Posted by CTA Gray Line (Post 6948062)
I lived Lawrence & Kimball and rode the Brown Line every day to work downtown for over 3 years, I am quite familiar with it's day-to-day operation. The junction truly is a choke point, the difference is in how to solve the problem. And the Flyover is THIS administration's 320 Million Dollars worth of BAD PLANNING (but I guess nobody is supposed to recognize that, or attempt to do anything about it). Should nobody should have attempted to do anything to stop Block 37 -- back at the time before it was built?

Chuy IS going to be elected, and he has stated that the Flyover is a waste of Taxpayer Dollars; do you think the old CTA Administration will be able to change his mind once he's in office on that? He also doesn't like the Ashland BRT Waste of 160 Million Dollars worth of Taxpayer Funds either -- Good.

That is 480 Million Dollars, don't you think he'll arrange for a new CTA Planning Dept, with new ideas to spend it on?

If you think Chuy really cares, or will come up with new ideas for the CTA, you're living in a dreamworld, sadly. As are most Chicagoans voting for him.

k1052 Mar 12, 2015 8:14 PM

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Originally Posted by J_M_Tungsten (Post 6948352)
Lol, doubtful. "Chuy for Mayor: The Man without a Plan"

No the plan is to do everything better but actually not specify how while abandoning all modesty in naked pandering.

CTA Gray Line Mar 12, 2015 8:54 PM

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Originally Posted by sentinel (Post 6948479)
If you think Chuy really cares, or will come up with new ideas for the CTA, you're living in a dreamworld, sadly. As are most Chicagoans voting for him.

That is still better than having Rahm bend you over the table edge (without even any foreplay, or mutual consideration, or lubricant)

UPChicago Mar 12, 2015 9:00 PM

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Originally Posted by UPChicago (Post 6931674)
Will Chuy be a better mayor for transit than Rahm?

Looks like my question is now answered and the answer is a resounding no. No to transit improvements, No to the Obama library and no to the Lucas Museum. I think I'll pass on Chuy clearly he doesn't get it. Does he think the money will be saved or diverted to use elsewhere? It doesn't work like that.

CTA Gray Line Mar 12, 2015 9:10 PM

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Originally Posted by UPChicago (Post 6948627)
Looks like my question is now answered and the answer is a resounding no. No to transit improvements, No to the Obama library and no to the Lucas Museum. I think I'll pass on Chuy clearly he doesn't get it. Does he think the money will be saved or diverted to use elsewhere? It doesn't work like that.

And so what is it you think Rahm is going to do better for us than Chuy; looking from the perspective of the South/Southeast side Black and Hispanic minority communities (the Red Line Extension South of 95th St. will obviously NOT serve South Shore, Grand Crossing, Woodlawn, Grand Crossing, Chatham, E. 79th St., Lakeside, South Chicago, etc., etc., etc......)

Explain Rahm's plans for those places to us.....

UPChicago Mar 12, 2015 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by CTA Gray Line (Post 6948642)
And so what is it you think Rahm is going to do better for us than Chuy; looking from the perspective of the South/Southeast side Black and Hispanic minority communities (the Red Line Extension South of 95th St. will obviously NOT serve South Shore, Grand Crossing, Woodlawn, Grand Crossing, Chatham, E. 79th St., Lakeside, South Chicago, etc., etc., etc......)

Explain Rahm's plans for those places to us.....

The U of C Obama Library proposed site and the Red Line extension, even the Ashland BRT ARE projects in minority neighborhood on the SOUTH SIDE so when you say what is he going to do better for us thats a start unless you mean specifically for the Southeast Side, then I ask what is Chuy proposing thats different. If his plan is to "save" or reroute money by not expanding infrastructure then I'm very doubtful he will advocate for any changes on the southeast side especially when it already has Metra service. And the city is more vast than the southeast side, I don't personally live there and it isn't going to matter to my vote regardless. There are other neighborhoods that wish they had the southeast side's level of transit.

Chicago Shawn Mar 12, 2015 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by CTA Gray Line (Post 6948062)
I lived Lawrence & Kimball and rode the Brown Line every day to work downtown for over 3 years, I am quite familiar with it's day-to-day operation. The junction truly is a choke point, the difference is in how to solve the problem. And the Flyover is THIS administration's 320 Million Dollars worth of BAD PLANNING (but I guess nobody is supposed to recognize that, or attempt to do anything about it). Should nobody should have attempted to do anything to stop Block 37 -- back at the time before it was built?

Chuy IS going to be elected, and he has stated that the Flyover is a waste of Taxpayer Dollars; do you think the old CTA Administration will be able to change his mind once he's in office on that? He also doesn't like the Ashland BRT Waste of 160 Million Dollars worth of Taxpayer Funds either -- Good.

That is 480 Million Dollars, don't you think he'll arrange for a new CTA Planning Dept, with new ideas to spend it on?

The flyover concept did NOT did start under Rahm's administration, but rather long before it. I'll say this again for you, because you keep making up that little bullet point.

I get it, you hate Rahm. Good, I'm glad to see your opinion, but you don't get to make up facts to support it. Facts have truth in them.

I'm not enchanted with the Ashland BRT either, but to outright say no to it this late in the game without pitching an alternative?

Face it, Chuy is running as Anti-Rahm. What ever Rahm supports, Chuy doesn't. That's the basis of his platform, and means of picking up votes through pandering. He hasn't even released his budget plan yet; apparently it comes out tomorrow (why did not come out before the real election?). This all sounds too familiar and is how Rauner got in: No real platform, no real ideas, no true budget solutions; but ran as the Anti-Quinn. Enough people bought it and it worked to swing the election in his favor, and now voters are surprised when he puts a plan forward. Chuy is just doing the same.

Chi-Sky21 Mar 13, 2015 1:31 AM

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Originally Posted by CTA Gray Line (Post 6948642)
And so what is it you think Rahm is going to do better for us than Chuy; looking from the perspective of the South/Southeast side Black and Hispanic minority communities (the Red Line Extension South of 95th St. will obviously NOT serve South Shore, Grand Crossing, Woodlawn, Grand Crossing, Chatham, E. 79th St., Lakeside, South Chicago, etc., etc., etc......)

Explain Rahm's plans for those places to us.....

Why MUST he do anything for those place? If you do not have the money, you spend what little you have on what gives you the most bang for the buck. He has spent a lot on CTA, expanding capacity on red line and rehabbing blue line are worthwhile projects. Infill stations near the center of the city to help those areas grow are important too. I would love a L line running north to south but it costs to much so you get Ashland BRT, it is worth a shot also. You could put 5 L lines into those south side areas and it would not do a bit of difference, the issues there are far worse than lack of transportation. Not that they do not need to be addressed....but again...where does all this money come from? If you can figure it out...go ahead and run for mayor..you will have my vote.

BVictor1 Mar 13, 2015 1:37 AM

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Originally Posted by CTA Gray Line (Post 6948642)
And so what is it you think Rahm is going to do better for us than Chuy; looking from the perspective of the South/Southeast side Black and Hispanic minority communities (the Red Line Extension South of 95th St. will obviously NOT serve South Shore, Grand Crossing, Woodlawn, Grand Crossing, Chatham, E. 79th St., Lakeside, South Chicago, etc., etc., etc......)

Explain Rahm's plans for those places to us.....

Explain the plans of the alderman who represent those areas.....

Development has slowly but surly been spreading out from the central area. I know that in some of the hispanic areas, they've been fighting gentrification. In fact when you go to many community meeting in any areas of the city people tend to bitch and moan about whatever plans and or progress that are being made.


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Originally Posted by CTA Gray Line (Post 6948613)
That is still better than having Rahm bend you over the table edge (without even any foreplay, or mutual consideration, or lubricant)

Some people like it the '50 Shades' way.

CTA Gray Line Mar 13, 2015 5:04 AM

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Originally Posted by BVictor1 (Post 6948969)
Explain the plans of the alderman who represent those areas.....

Development has slowly but surly been spreading out from the central area. I know that in some of the hispanic areas, they've been fighting gentrification. In fact when you go to many community meeting in any areas of the city people tend to bitch and moan about whatever plans and or progress that are being made.


Some people like it the '50 Shades' way.

People will ALWAYS find something to bitch and moan about (you are RIGHT about that) no matter what. (even on this Board)

And the aldercreatures have NO plans of their own (not allowed), most of them are in thall to the > present < City Hall Administration,
and DARE NOT dispute any Royal Edict; I wonder how this will all balance itself out after the run-off.


Some do, but not most.......

CTA Gray Line Mar 13, 2015 5:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Chi-Sky21 (Post 6948964)
Why MUST he do anything for those place? If you do not have the money, you spend what little you have on what gives you the most bang for the buck. He has spent a lot on CTA, expanding capacity on red line and rehabbing blue line are worthwhile projects. Infill stations near the center of the city to help those areas grow are important too. I would love a L line running north to south but it costs to much so you get Ashland BRT, it is worth a shot also. You could put 5 L lines into those south side areas and it would not do a bit of difference, the issues there are far worse than lack of transportation. Not that they do not need to be addressed....but again...where does all this money come from? If you can figure it out...go ahead and run for mayor..you will have my vote.


OK, let's get into the Cage (we're ready Ref: "Fight"):

You said: "If you do not have the money, you spend what little you have on what gives you the most bang for the buck."
THIS IS VERY TRUE

The Gray Line and Stop the Flyover are going to Tag-Team until the run-off (they state on their website to "Spend it on Southside transit service"): http://stopbelmontflyover.com/ They brought this to me, I knew nothing about it -- but I will support them now like a Rabid Pit-Bull; I have provided them with a basic diagram of an improved type of level crossing (which they REALLY liked) to replace the roller-coaster.

If it only cost 3 to 5 Million dollars to alleviate the delay problem, instead of 320 million: http://bit.ly/FlyoverSwitch that 300+ million left could easily create a new Southside "L" service -- Improved transit services for both the North and Southsides, for the price of a lost roller-coaster.

OK, Now tear the idea to pieces.......

k1052 Mar 13, 2015 1:09 PM

There will still be conflict if the grade crossing is not removed. Crossing time could possibly be shortened however going into the tight curve directly after the crossover will always limit the utility of such an approach. This has always been a TPH bottleneck in the system which the CTA was aware of, hence the several decade long desire to fix it. With rising rail ridership and the need to push more trains at rush periods the time has come to get it done.

I do like that fear mongering website though. I lived in lakeview for years (still own property there) and this will not "destroy" lakeview.

chicagopcclcar1 Mar 13, 2015 2:03 PM

http://bit.ly/FlyoverSwitch that 300+ million left could easily create a new Southside "L" service -- Improved transit services for both the North and Southsides,

That page was drawn by someone who has NO DEGREE IN RAILWAY ENGINEERING. He claims experience in locomotive driving; one might ask why he's not still a locomotive engineer and not working at a gas convenience store. Take that in account when you make your judgement.

le_brew Mar 13, 2015 2:15 PM

it blows my mind that this is a decades long desire to fix the junction while not addressing that antiquated bottleneck called "the loop."

there are far more, and longer delays on several lines (too many) there.

UPChicago Mar 13, 2015 3:13 PM

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Originally Posted by le_brew (Post 6949412)
it blows my mind that this is a decades long desire to fix the junction while not addressing that antiquated bottleneck called "the loop."

there are far more, and longer delays on several lines (too many) there.

I agree, have there been any plans to fix the loop in the past?

k1052 Mar 13, 2015 3:47 PM

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Originally Posted by UPChicago (Post 6949491)
I agree, have there been any plans to fix the loop in the past?

A plan to put the whole thing in subway was put forward decades ago but went nowhere. I suppose you could still do that but it would cost billions and really not net any service improvement since the space required to build flying junctions etc is not available underground.

Realistically taking the east loop from three stations down to two and rebuilding State/Lake to remove the passenger flow bottleneck that causes extra dwell time is probably the best that can be hoped for in the near term. You could rearrange how the lines run though the loop to minimize conflict but that would probably involve cutting off one side of the loop service from each line...not something likely to be popular.

Mr Downtown Mar 13, 2015 3:54 PM

I've never heard of any scheme to eliminate the diamonds. Of course, from about 1973–1983, there was an assumption that a new Franklin St. subway would render the Loop L unnecessary and it could be removed altogether.

Worth noting that prior to 1969, both tracks of the Loop operated in the same direction (anticlockwise). At the time, this was thought to offer the most capacity, but i don't know if that would be true today as the trains now enter and leave the Loop at different places that they used to.

CTA Gray Line Mar 13, 2015 6:33 PM

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Originally Posted by chicagopcclcar1 (Post 6949398)
http://bit.ly/FlyoverSwitch that 300+ million left could easily create a new Southside "L" service -- Improved transit services for both the North and Southsides,

That page was drawn by someone who has NO DEGREE IN RAILWAY ENGINEERING. He claims experience in locomotive driving; one might ask why he's not still a locomotive engineer and not working at a gas convenience store. Take that in account when you make your judgement.

I never claimed to have any type of degrees, and yes I worked for the C&NW from 1971 to 1974 until I was LAID OFF due to LACK OF BUSINESS (not some implied negative action).

I am working at a convenience store now because after being LAID OFF due to LACK OF BUSINESS from the Copier repair industry (disposable inkjet All-In-One's killed them) I was HOMELESS for 8 months in 2006, and Craig - Owner of the Gas station, was kind enough to hire me OUT OF THE GUTTER

I am quite Happy with my min. wage. job because it is secure, and I shouldn't worry about getting LAID OFF again.

I worked out of what was then Proviso Yard in Northlake, I worked my way up through Switchman, Brakeman, the Hump, Locomotive Hostler, Fireman, and Engineer quickly -- strictly on the recommendations of train crews who told C&NW Management that I handled trains better than some Engineers who had been there over 20 years -- remember, I was controlling the train while they were in, around, and under it on the ground -- risking their lives.

True, I do not have any Paper Degrees, but I have driven many, many fast 100+ car freight trains from Proviso to Wood St. (16th & Western), and the Riverdale Yard at 139th and Ashland over the IHB (learning IHB Road Rules); I think that grants me much more rail knowledge than any piece of paper.

Now notice the intense attempts to discredit me, my ideas, and my knowledge; something creepily psychological going on here ("Crabs-in-a-Barrel")

WHAT will Mike gain if I am sucessful? I sure won't get any money, Craig won't get any money. CTA and Metra would get it kicking-and-screaming shoved down their ever-resistant throats.

All this VITRIOL from an attempt to create Jobs -- WHAT A HEINOUS CRIME!!!

chicagopcclcar1 Mar 13, 2015 7:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CTA Gray Line (Post 6949848)
Now notice the intense attempts to discredit me, my ideas, and my knowledge; something creepily psychological going on here ("Crabs-in-a-Barrel")

WHAT will Mike gain if I am sucessful? I sure won't get any money, Craig won't get any money. CTA and Metra would get it kicking-and-screaming shoved down their ever-resistant throats.

All this VITRIOL from an attempt to create Jobs -- WHAT A HEINOUS CRIME!!!

Your biggest error is taking whatever you pronounce as being the only truth and denouncing anyone who doesn't take your idea as being the one and only truth. I only came back because you brought up that idiot switch plan for Clack Junction. Your second mistake....moves to the branch must be made from track three, not from track four. You don't why because you are dealing something you know nothing about. And think about your first mistake.

You said you live 25 miles from Chicago. At 25 miles, you can't vote on the runoff election in April. You probably will never ride the L" through Clark Jct. A prudent mind would want to know why you care to much.

"instead of 320 million: http://bit.ly/FlyoverSwitch that 300+ million left could easily create a new Southside "L" service ..."

"Chuy IS going to be elected, .....That is 480 Million Dollars, don't you think he'll arrange for a new CTA Planning Dept, with new ideas to spend it on?"

"....new Southside ...
THE GRAY LINE"

Never!

CTA Gray Line Mar 13, 2015 8:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chicagopcclcar1 (Post 6949945)
Your biggest error is taking whatever you pronounce as being the only truth and denouncing anyone who doesn't take your idea as being the one and only truth. I only came back because you brought up that idiot switch plan for Clack Junction. Your second mistake....moves to the branch must be made from track three, not from track four. You don't why because you are dealing something you know nothing about. And think about your first mistake.

> Good Grief -- Moves must be made from track 3 because that is the PRESENT track configuration. Didn't they just CHANGE the track configuration just North of Wilson, to route Purple Line trains onto the Red Line tracks? So track configurations actually can be CHANGED -- just like what my idiot switch concept depends on: https://app.box.com/s/alm8rzgfcotdmkaua9bbp6d73rlvkexk <

You said you live 25 miles from Chicago. At 25 miles, you can't vote on the runoff election in April. You probably will never ride the L" through Clark Jct. A prudent mind would want to know why you care to much.

> I've tried this before (you said use crayons) so I'll waste time again; I care because I lived on the Southside for 58yrs, and watch it drop from being the Jewel of the entire City, to the present sewer; with the poorest neighborhoods in NE Illinois: http://www.chicagobusiness.com/artic...income-levels#

I rode the I.C. to work, school, and other things for many, many years, so I know the system's HUGELY (criminally) unused potential, under it's preset ownership.

My Family and Friends are still trapped down in that sewer (with bullets flying all over the place day and night), while I get to live in beautiful, quiet, lovely "The Arboretum Village" (half-way to being Andy's Mayberry) so I am trying to do whatever I can as a lowly peasant to change that situation. (Hell -- you laugh at your OWN people's misfortunes: "use Crayons")

I am not going to resort to your childish name-calling; I lived at Lawrence & Kimball for 3.5 years, I moved there solely and specifically because of the convenience of taking the Brown Line to my Copier repair job, working for IBM downtown every day. I rode it twice every work day, and sometimes came home for lunch (4 times those on days) for over 3 years. I am completely familiar with day-to-day, weekend, holiday, Winter and Summer, end-to-end Brown Line operations (this is what happens when you open your mouth, and don't know what the heck you are talking about) <


"instead of 320 million: http://bit.ly/FlyoverSwitch that 300+ million left could easily create a new Southside "L" service ..."

"Chuy IS going to be elected, .....That is 480 Million Dollars, don't you think he'll arrange for a new CTA Planning Dept, with new ideas to spend it on?"

"....new Southside ...
THE GRAY LINE"

Never!

This is America, the wonderful thing is we ALL have a right to our own opinions -- right OR wrong. People fight and die for us to have that right.

UPChicago Mar 13, 2015 8:57 PM

Are you all adults? :???:

chicagopcclcar1 Mar 13, 2015 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by UPChicago (Post 6950082)
Are you all adults? :???:

You would think.....

He takes a half a page explaining all the places he's lived it. Don't people have their own alderman, their legislators, their mayor, etc? Did these people ask him to look out for their fortunes. What is the hero's name in Marvel Comics?

Note, he never explained why Brown line needs to run from track 3. He go off talking about Red line weekend reroute as if that means something. Clueless.

CTA Gray Line Mar 14, 2015 1:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chicagopcclcar1 (Post 6950196)
You would think.....

He takes a half a page explaining all the places he's lived it. Don't people have their own alderman, their legislators, their mayor, etc? Did these people ask him to look out for their fortunes. What is the hero's name in Marvel Comics?

Note, he never explained why Brown line needs to run from track 3. He go off talking about Red line weekend reroute as if that means something. Clueless.

OK David, I will continue with it. In the (to you) ridiculous initial track configuration diagram I have submitted: http://bit.ly/FlyoverSwitch ON THE LEFT is the present track plan with a crossover from track four to three, then the Brown Line branching off from track three.

ON THE RIGHT is an alternative configuration where the Brown Line branches off from track four using diamond crossings over tracks three, two, and one.

The present configuration requires 3 different sets of points to be aligned, and then re-aligned after, for a Brown Line train to leave the NS Main: and it also has to operate at reduced speed to zig-zag through the crossovers without throwing passengers all over the place.

With 1 [ One ] switch to control NB Brown Line movements, it would eliminate the time needed to set/reset the whole Clark Jct. interlocking (switches, signals, cab controls, tower indications) each time a Brown Line train had to pass through.
And with a smooth spiraled curve (as shown), and precise crossover diamonds, Brown Line trains could operate quickly while leaving the NSM directly from track four, without any signifcant delays to other Red and Purple Line trains operating on other tracks: http://bit.ly/FlyoverSwitch

Tower 18 at Lake & Wabash has 75 different Lines passing through it, and yet some how they make that work without a "Flyover" or new Subway!

How do they manage that? Bet you won't answer that question!

chicagopcclcar1 Mar 14, 2015 1:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CTA Gray Line (Post 6950369)

The present configuration requires 3 different sets of points to be aligned, and then re-aligned after, for a Brown Line train to leave the NS Main: and it also has to operate at reduced speed to zig-zag through the crossovers without throwing passengers all over the place.

The present configuration requires 3 different sets of points to be aligned, and then re-aligned after, for a Brown Line train to leave the NS Main: and it also has to operate at reduced speed to zig-zag through the crossovers without throwing passengers all over the place.


How can you be such a dumb ass....Brown line track run the speed 25 MPH through the switches...ALL THE SAME SPEED...then they go through the curve at the THE SAME 25 MPH SPEED. Your idiot switch doesn't make trains run faster.

You still don't know why they MUST LEAVE on track three.

Your problem you can't admit when you are wrong. Comes from seeing your Gray Line drowning every time. 15 years!!!

CTA Gray Line Mar 14, 2015 1:37 AM

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Originally Posted by UPChicago (Post 6950082)
Are you all adults? :???:

NO [ NO ] -- Apparently not, this seems to be a manifestation of third-grade school school-yard Bully stuff.

I don't know, as the victim -- how would you, UPChicago (as an ADULT) respond?

le_brew Mar 14, 2015 3:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by k1052 (Post 6949567)
A plan to put the whole thing in subway was put forward decades ago but went nowhere.

it did indeed go "somewhere." it was about shovel ready when the mayor died in office. by the time construction was to commence around '79, new politics and preservationist had emerged to defeat the plan.

emathias Mar 14, 2015 6:48 AM

"chicagopcclcar1" and "CTA Gray Line"

I like both of you, and you've both previously added beneficially to the discussion on there.

But right now, both of you, SHUT THE FUCK UP AND QUIT HIJACKING THIS THREAD.

For fuck sake, I don't see why BOTH of you haven't been suspended yet. I'm tired of watching this pissing match, and it's adds NOTHING to this forum.

So please, for the love of Chicago, SHUT THE FUCK UP for a few WEEKS - BOTH OF YOU. And when you come back, make sure your heads are out of your asses.

chicagopcclcar1 Mar 14, 2015 1:56 PM

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Originally Posted by emathias (Post 6950575)
"chicagopcclcar1" and "CTA Gray Line"

I like both of you, and you've both previously added beneficially to the discussion on there.

I went back seven pages....I could not find any of your posts. I often wonder, where are the others. You see this debate going on....you must have some agreement or a disagreement. No one says anything.

Obviously, the two of us are at a stand off. I posted pictures that I thought would give more meaning.

See something....say something. That sounds so lame.

ardecila Mar 14, 2015 5:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Randomguy34 (Post 6944464)
Not even the Dan Ryan Branch? Cermak-Chinatown and Sox-35th for sure are 10 cars long.

Are you sure? The stations are long structures, but the platforms themselves are not necessarily 10 cars long. Sox-35th seems to be long enough at 500', but Chinatown is not long enough at 450'. There are stairways, elevators, and windscreens that prevent the platform from being extended without spending a few million at least. None of the other Dan Ryan stations, including 95th, seem to be long enough - although 95th will probably have its platform extended as part of the current reconstruction.

BTW, a married pair is 96' long, and you need probably 10' at each end for a margin of safety, so 500' is about right.

UPChicago Mar 14, 2015 9:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CTA Gray Line (Post 6950403)
NO [ NO ] -- Apparently not, this seems to be a manifestation of third-grade school school-yard Bully stuff.

I don't know, as the victim -- how would you, UPChicago (as an ADULT) respond?

Personally, I wouldn't have, no one here needs to know about anyone else's personal life nor do they need to substantiate their opinion, because at the end of the day no one's opinion is more valid than another's. I understand replying once to back up or clarify your opinion but a continuous back and forth is needless because you aren't going to change the other persons point of view. Also why get offended by anyone taking the take to launch personal attacks on a web furom clearly that person leads a petty existence.

CTA Gray Line Mar 17, 2015 3:40 AM

Rapid-transit bus project closes lanes downtown starting Monday
 
http://www.myfoxchicago.com/story/28...lanes-downtown

Posted: Mar 15, 2015 2:06 PM CDT
Updated: Mar 16, 2015 6:57 AM CDT

CHICAGO (Sun-Times Media Wire) -

Two downtown streets will be reduced to two lanes early Monday as crews began construction on a $31.8 million Loop bus-rapid transit project dubbed the “Loop Link"......

CTA Gray Line Mar 17, 2015 7:28 AM

The Battle Between Stroller Moms and the CTA
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ashbey...b_6847758.html

Ashbey Riley

Posted: 03/16/2015 3:08 pm EDT | Updated: 03/16/2015 3:59 pm EDT

"CTA (Chicago Transit Authority) policies and practices are currently discriminatory towards strollers." Apparently, stroller discrimination is rampant here in Chicago, y'all.

This is the opening line of Michelle Parker's online petition to the CTA where she demands that the CTA make changes to their current policies to make public transportation more "family friendly".........

Ryanrule Mar 17, 2015 4:24 PM

man fuck strollers.
you had a baby, you get to stay home for 5 years.
deal with it breeders.

the urban politician Mar 17, 2015 4:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryanrule (Post 6953780)
man fuck strollers.
you had a baby, you get to stay home for 5 years.
deal with it breeders.

^ Did you say that to your mom yet? ;)


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