But what are you disappointed about? Related has literally released no information about their plans for the Spire site, how can you be disappointed when we haven't seen anything?

huh?

i literally just said


honestly dude, there's no attacking here, just clarifying.

a lot of personal "attacks" going on around here lately..you guys are taking all this to seriously....i come here to get away from all the vitriol and hate in the world today! I say...Lighten up francis!

I think you may have misinterpreted Steely's response to you. In the many years I've been reading these boards, I can safely say that he is probably one of the most most fair, level headed posters on here.

It's all good dude. We're all here for the same reason :)

Uhh have you seen Related's portfolio?

Yeah he's fair. For the longest time, I thought it was him deleting any post i made that was critical of OBP. But that's not that case.

Stick to the topic people and personal problems should be told to your shrink or local bartender!

CAN'T WAIT.._..

60 minutes or less before the news might start breaking from my favorite peeps who are able to attend the 78, which reminds me. Here's my humble predictions:

- Two towers, one shorter than the other, which is all but confirmed by everything we know... so that's hardly a bold claim

- The main tower will kind of look like a choad, and use much of the foundation from the Spire.

-The second tower will be MUCH smaller. Thin and under 700 feet. The main will be under 900 feed.

-They will have terracotta involved at the base and run up to the top, where both will have weird pyramid tops like they belong in Philly or Charlotte

-At least 4 people throw tomatos at Related during the presentation

-An old woman faints, and a dog dies in the crowd only moments after the bad designs are released

-They start to VE the design during the presentation, small children and women begin to cry now.

-The financial markets crash

-And worst of all, I, and at least 3 other people get into a slapfight here.

Hold me ladies and gents

Yes, I like many of their projects. The question still stands, as of today, what is there to be disappointed about as it relates to the Spire Site?

^^ 400 N LSD presentation is next tuesday, not tonight.

Yeah, I made a quick edit since I forgot to mention I was thinking of the 78's date, since well... both are Related. Either way I stand by the prediction haha

Guess I'll go ahead and post my contrarian prediction:

-Related Midwest proposes two 4000' towers clad in pure 24k gold
-The building shakes as the crowd erupts into a chorus of applause
-Towers go up in record time
-It is now 2021, Oprah Winfrey is president of the United States and Chicago holds a AAA bond rating.

Edit: added some words

You forgot the primary building materials for both towers will be sacks of potatoes. Two towers built almost entirely of potato, as a testament to Chicago's Polish population.

Only the best from Related!

I reckon this would be a big selling point for their condos too. Hungry? Just punch a hole in the wall, dig out a potato, boil it, and you got a meal. You never have to go grocery shopping ever again! Brilliant plan if you ask me.

^ And the great thing is that the potato superstructure, isolated from and not exposed to oxygen, will slowly begin to ferment anaerobically! Need a drink? Punch the wall, and hold your glass as some high quality *distilled in Chicago* vodka pours out!

Not only that, but after awhile, the potatoes will start to replenish themselves to provide even more potatoes.

So a self growing potato tower then! 4000' feet when the tower opens, with a possibility of it eventually organically growing to reach the lower stratsophere in our lifetime. Truly ambitious

Check out Related's new promo video for the 78. I may be wrong, but I think it uses some of what may end up being in the eventual promo for the Spire site.

The first 30 seconds have a very different feel--sound, atmosphere, pace, voiceover--than the rest of the video, which is basically the same film they released months ago for the 78. The opening shot flies in over the Lake and positions the Chicago Harbor Light right where the towers will be. The rest showcases prominent buildings along the River. The last few seconds before transitioning to the old 78 video again features the Spire site with the narrator quoting Burnham (with more modern language) "our sons, daughters and grandchildren are going to do things that would stagger us".

http://www.chicagotribune.com/busine...510-story.html

Fingers Crossed
 

2007

Article in tomorrows Tribune...

Not a tease, a heads up.

Maybe some of those geek questions will be answered by said article...

Haven't seen anything as of yet. Perhaps this evening.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...510-story.html

Under a proposal developer Related Midwest is expected to unveil at a community meeting Tuesday, a 1,000-foot-tall tower and a slightly smaller, but similar 850-foot tower would be erected on the dormant 2.2-acre site at 400 N. Lake Shore Drive, according to city sources familiar with the plans but not authorized to discuss them publicly. The towers would house condos, apartments and a hotel, the sources said.

Nevermind. It's up and it is every bit as disappointing as we feared it would be. The tallest tower is just 1000 feet. Rather this gets rejected.

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Rejected? You've not seen it!

Que asco

"...just 1,000 feet"

C'mon, now you're just sounding spoiled! A massive, 2,000' tall tower was a pie in the sky and never practical for this site, for reasons mentioned on the previous page. I'd rather see the skyline from the lake taper upwards towards TT, Vista and Trump Tower. 1,000' is a good beginning.

Yea, 1000ft would be great if it's a nice design. The only development that I have found as inexcusably short given its location was River Point topping out at 700ft. That site deserved an exclamation point as much if not more than LSD/river. RP should have ideally at least been +900ft. Now it just looks like a nice but much less interesting brother to 150 Riverside.

definitely not "way taller" then. sadface. Hopefully Childs cooked up something iconic.

One Bennett Park is by the same developer. Similar trajectory of starting with a noted architect and talk of using interesting materials. Also note how there's already a lot of potential competition in this space with TT, OCS and others on a similar trajectory. So the same cost consciousness that called for a height cut will likely call for other compromises in the design.

Given the location and the extensive foundation work that's already been done it's a waste. Instead what we get is a rehash of what Related did when they took over the Waterview. Very similar situation as this one...wasted potential.

Exclusive: Two soaring towers planned for long-languishing Chicago Spire site along Lake Shore Drive

Under a proposal developer Related Midwest is expected to unveil at a community meeting Tuesday, a 1,000-foot-tall tower and a slightly smaller but similar 850-foot tower would be erected on the dormant 2.2-acre site at 400 N. Lake Shore Drive, according to city sources familiar with the plans but not authorized to discuss them publicly. The towers would house condos, apartments and a hotel, the sources said.
[...]
The skyscrapers’ design has been led by prominent architect David Childs, a source familiar with the project confirmed.
[...]
The plans call for the 1,000-foot tower to be built on the southern edge of the site along the Chicago River, where an existing riverwalk would be extended through the site to connect with the future DuSable Park, the city sources said. The south tower is expected to include condos and a 175-room hotel.
The 850-foot tower, which is expected to include apartments, would be built on the site’s northern edge along the Ogden Slip, where another existing walkway along the water would be extended to connect to the future park. A podium with lobbies and building amenities would connect the two towers, the city sources said.
Altogether, the structures would total 1.3 million square feet, with up to 850 residential units in addition to the 175 hotel rooms, the sources confirmed.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...10-story.html"

SOM and David Childs?

So another spire will be ruined.

It’s a good location, to be sure. But there are other great locations for development in the city.

Honestly, I’ll reserve judgement on these projects till I see the renderings on Tuesday. But I mean.... honestly.... 1000 ft and 850 ft... that’s two really tall buildings for just about any US city, save New York.

People on this site are just bitter and resentful because they want some reconciliation for the loss of the Spire building. Related may have not put it’s best foot forward for it’s Chicago projects thus far; but they do have a good track record for getting stuff built. Let’s just wait till Tuesday before we start trashing Related.

Laying down a marker for above average design executed with average or sub-average materials and detailing to save on cost.

Hey mods... can we at least change the title of the thread to list 2 buildings at 1000 and 850 ft?

You can't really blame the architect for what happened with the 1WTC spire. The condition we refer to euphemistically as "value engineering" is the bane of all our existences.

Ba dum tiss

Maybe the Tribune has it flipped but, why would the shorter tower be on the northern portion of the site where the spire foundation is? Theres no reason to situate the buildings that way, right? I feel like im taking crazy pills!

Related creeping their way up my shitlist. Used to love them for what they could become in this city, but they are really becoming turd burglers

Yeah and Related has wasted a few of those sites as well.



So you're reserving judgment but you're aware that they have a penchant for showing us something decent to okay and then diluting it to crap down the road? They don't have a track record for quality...at all. It's not about whether something gets built (we have a lot of that underway already) but whether something good gets built. Related, when they purchased this property, promised that it was going to be a statement piece. Weeks ago it was way taller than 875 feet and going to include terracotta. Now it's glass facade and the height is in the same ballpark as their current project in the area. So really this just seems like more of the same from Related.

Um, what?! Check out what they have done in NYC.

So they are building the 850' tower on the north side of the site. So on the foundation built for a 2000' tower? Seems like a waste

Nice. Hopefully David Childs is going to give us the best piece in his series Variations on a Glass Box. Deeply contextual, too, with the subtle nod to the masterpiece at 500 N LSD.

I'm so tired about hearing about this particular plot of land....which was never really ideal for a supertall. At this point, I'd like it developed and done. I think 1000' & 850' would be remarkable for the area. Let's just hope it doesn't get VE'd to sh!t.

Absolutely this.

I've always thought that having a 2,000 ft spire at the former Calatrava site would have really thrown the skyline out of whack when viewed from the lake or Navy Pier. Not that I'm against a 2,000 footer in this city, but for it to work with the massing of the skyline it would be best if it was closer to its center, somewhere in the Loop or along North Michigan. Not to mention that this site really doesn't have the best amenities for a megatall; far from transit, narrow single lane street access, not really walkable to many restaurants/grocers/convenience stores, etc.

That said, I would have preferred to see a slightly taller proposal, with each of the buildings roughly 200' taller, something around the lines of 1200' and 1000', but I'll reserve further judgement until I see the renderings.

In my opinion, Related Midwest doesn't have the money to carry out two projects like The 78 and 400 N LSD. The 78 site will cost 5 billion and other billions will cost these two towers on the Spire site. I fear that Related will has to give up one of the two projects at the end.

I wonder if the decision to go with two towers is what made the rest a forgone conclusion. Since the rock socketed caissons are at the north end it would stand to reason that you'd orient the tallest building there. However, placing your hotel and condo tower off Ogden slip and putting the apartment tower on the river might not be optimal in terms of value. So you flip it around and put the hotel & condo tower on the river and the apartment tower on the slip but that means your tallest tower is now limited to whatever loading those outer hardpan caissons can support (assuming they don't have to drill more).

TLDR I think the orientation of the foundation might not be optimal for a two tower hotel/condo and apartment project.