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BMT Broadway Line City Hall https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7657/...f4a2df69_b.jpg BMT Broadway Line at City Hall Station by Nexis4Jersey09, on Flickr https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7600/...d98d6483_b.jpg BMT Broadway Line at City Hall Station by Nexis4Jersey09, on Flickr https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8773/...e0ac2284_b.jpg BMT Broadway Line at City Hall Station by Nexis4Jersey09, on Flickr Times Square - 42nd Street https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5324/...70b634e8_b.jpg BMT Broadway Line at Times Square - 42nd Street by Nexis4Jersey09, on Flickr https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8806/...1152c41d_b.jpg BMT Broadway Line at Times Square - 42nd Street by Nexis4Jersey09, on Flickr https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8794/...fce62fb5_b.jpg 256 by Nexis4Jersey09, on Flickr |
no surprize outer borough ridership growing faster than manhattan. marcy 23.8% = wow and yikes!
http://www.amny.com/transit/mta-ride...tan-1.10306080 |
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per the nytimes -- mayor deblasio wants a new utica avenue subway line:
Mayor de Blasio Revives Plan for a Utica Avenue Subway Line The Utica Avenue subway station in Crown Heights, Brooklyn. Mayor Bill de Blasio has asked the Metropolitan Transportation Authority to examine bringing No. 3 and 4 train service through East Flatbush. ROBERT STOLARIK FOR THE NEW YORK TIMES By EMMA G. FITZSIMMONS APRIL 22, 2015 Among the far-reaching ambitions of Mayor Bill de Blasio’s OneNYC plan, one proposal stood out in the transportation world on Wednesday: the study of a new subway line along Utica Avenue in Brooklyn. The concept is hardly new; it has been debated for at least a century, with no discernible results. A 1910 article in The New York Times, under the headline “Transit Outlook Bright in Brooklyn,” said “a strong movement” was afoot to construct it. Another effort was made in 1928. More recently, an attempt in the 1970s failed after a City Council member from Brooklyn complained that the area did not have a large enough population to support the line. |
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PDF on the Utica Expansion, the economy, other transit projects, and tons of other material: http://www.nyc.gov/html/onenyc/downl...ons/OneNYC.pdf
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NYC doesn't have enough money to build what it already has going, let alone to start a new line. Given the current difficulties with transportation projects in NYC this is a pipe dream.
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If the city and state really want to build the full Utica Ave. subway line, it can happen, quite easily. But there has to be the will. The money is not the issue, at all, it's the commitment. And MTA's current funding difficulties have absolutely nothing to do with expansion plans. They're two separate pots of money. The Second Avenue subway and various projects have zero to do with MTA funding gaps. The Utica Ave. line has been discussed for nearly a century. It would generate huge ridership and would completely transform transit in Brooklyn. I really, really hope this happens. |
For someone with limited knowledge of deep Brooklyn, what is the advantage of Utica over another corridor like Kingshighway, or an extension of the 2 and 5 trains down Flatbush to the edge of Marine Park?
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I was wondering about Kings Highway myself, as it seems like it would be less disruptive and possibly cheaper to go under Kings Highway, since construction could proceed without blocking local access.
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As for the absurd costs of the 2nd Avenue Subway which if completed in the next 100 years, it should cost $17 billion.
That $17 billion includes 2 tunnel boring machines, labor, real estate, and the actual digging. They are spread out into intervals and thus will likely be complete by a conservative estimate around the year 2060. So either in 45 years the 2nd Ave Subway is competed or it's off the drawing boards. I have a simpler solution that costs $16 billion MAX, and should be complete in 3 years, NO MORE than 5 years tops. Buy 70 tunnel boring machines (35 for each tunnel), and they sum up to a price of 3 billion dollars alone. Then build the actual stations which when combining the cost of construction for all 16 stations from 125th Street to South Ferry, equates to 6 billion dollars. Next the cost of the actual tunneling from station to station, which is the heart and soul of any subway project, would cost 7 billion dollars for the 8 mile journey. But there are 70 tunnel boring machines, employ less people, and work 24 hours a day, and this thing should be done in 3-4 years. You could even call it the longest non stop sustained dig in American history. My plan includes labor, real estate, and the actual digging, but there is only one difference: 68 extra tunnel boring machines, and it comes $1 billion under the cost that the MTA has down, and it comes 43 years ahead of schedule. What's happening in NYC is beyond sickening, where we can't even complete a subway tunnel. I have given them a plan. They have the money. CONSTRUCT. Instead they spend more money to outfit the stations, which wastes money, and station art, and unionized labor does not help matters, and then they work some days, and stall on others, and then the RICH neighbors always complain, and then the bureaucrats are slow and incompetent. Then we include NYC and current infrastructure, and etc. etc. etc. Don't we wish it was that simple. But the only way to get a 2nd Ave Subway done in our lifetimes is a long sustained dig with more TBMs and did I mention NON STOP. Only way. |
If they built the Burj Dubai the way they are building the 2nd Ave Subway, that skyscraper would only be half way up as we speak. They only ways they were able to get the Burj up are as follows.
1) Non stop, non stop, non stop, 24/7 365 day construction. They did not stop until it was completed 2) Workers rights are few and far between, they got poor indebted workers from mostly India and Pakistan and exploited them. 3) Infrastructure: desert 4) Money, money, money, money, MONEY.. UAE is rolling in oil money America has money, and can have non stop day and night construction. America can also work around the existing infrastructure AND employ non unionized laborers. Lastly America can fine people who complain, especially if those peoples' real estate values go up via a 2nd Ave Subway. America taught the world how to build and now America (the teacher) is being laughed at by the world (the students) inhabitants in China, India, Russia, Mexico, and the Middle East (UAE). In the end I'm not blaming America, I actually feel sorry for the USA. I just wish we could complete the 2nd Ave Subway in 3-6 years in its entirety, and IT IS possible as I stated above. |
NYC Transit during a 24 hour interval
NYC transit only ranks number 9. I would love to see an interactive map of Beijing, Seoul, Shanghai, Moscow, and Tokyo. |
Also here is a fun game you guys can start on the next page.
Name points on every NYC subway line where they should construct a new stop I'll start the game off. 1st Avenue and 42nd Street. Call it United Nations - 42nd Street. Service is available to the 7 and (hopefully) T trains. Your turn. |
Central Park West and West 104th Street.
Call it Central Park West - 104th Street. Service is available to the A, B, C, 2, and 3 trains. |
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