Does anyone know how long the Lakewood Blueclaws have a contract for? It would great if they could move that affiliate right to Camden. Maybe could have some administrative advantages for rehab assignments, etc. Could help get the young players in the farm system acclimated to the franchise, and get the big Philles junkies better access to watching up-and-comers.

Nevermind. Just tweeted at the Phillies and Blueclaws, and they just extended the Blueclaws stadium lease to 2055! Yikes!
Does anyone know if any other Phillies affiliates would potentially be looking to move?

Not really. The Lehigh Valley Iron Pigs play in a stadium that is ten years newer, and cost twice the amount as Campbell's Field while also seating about twice as many people. The stadium was also just built for the express purpose of housing the Phillies AAA team so I imagine they're tied there with a long lease.

The AA Reading team plays in a stadium that is over half a century old. However from what I understand it has received many upgrades over the years, is considered a great stadium and they have excellent attendance there.

As you just mentioned mentioned, Lakewood will be at their current stadium for a very longtime and they're definitely not moving their other single A team out of Clearwater considering the stadium there is also new, owned by the phillies, and the home of their Spring Training.

All that leaves you with is the half season teams and rookie ball teams which don't really play many games at all and are very low level. So I don't know, they could move their short season team from Williamsport to Camden but doesn't seem likely.

Hopefully they'll be able to find someone to move in there, but I have no idea who.

The water cooler talk here in Camden is that if this project is successful the stadium (which is currently owned by the CCIA) will likely be demolished and the site used in a later phase.

Is the stadium site big enough for a Sixers arena?? Hmmm

At least with a city like Camden, with something like 70,000 people, even a modest influx of middle income people should make a difference.

I hope not. I think having all of the stadiums in one place makes perfect sense and is really one of the things that my friends from out of town who've gone to any sporting event here have been really impressed with (especailly New Yorkers who rarely wish to dole out any complements for our great city as a rival fan). I know people think basketball can spur development, but I'm a skeptic. We have a great space for all four major teams that allows for tailgating, shared parking and just a better sports atmosphere. Public transit is already there and great highway access. It's smart and it ain't broke.

Yea, I'd hate the hell out of the Sixers moving out of the city.

I'd prefer to keep the Sixers in Philly as opposed to Camden but I've always said that the Sixers are the one pro team in Philly where considering a location outside of the Sports Complex could be beneficial. Sixers have by far the smallest tailgating culture of the 4 teams meaning moving away from the expansive parking lots wouldn't be a big deal as long as the arena is close to transit. Basketball Arenas are also capable of being much smaller than venues for the other sports, making them easier to incorporate into downtown areas. Plus, the general design of the Basketball Arenas means it's not very hard to incorporate street facing restaurants and bars and retail into them so they're not deadspots, and basketball games are fairly frequent, and basketball arenas are easily used as concert venues.

So I wouldn't mind seeing a basketball arena in Center City, but Camden wouldn't be terrible either if done right. I certainly see no issue with them leaving the Sports Complex though, as unlike the other teams I don't really see how they derive much of a benefit from being down there and locating them elsewhere works much better for the sixers than any of the other pro teams.

So if the Sixers were to move, whether elsewhere in Philly or Camden, would the Flyers just stay in South Philly? The Fargo is only 20 years old, and I think it's still a very good arena. Last time I was at a Sixers game, though, only 12,000 people were there, in an arena that seats what, 20,000? Granted, the fact that the Sixers suck has something to do with it. The Flyers are pretty good right now, so attendance should be higher. And of course, we know how passionate us Philly fans are.

The more I think about it, the more I think that the Phillies should have moved up to Spring Garden Street back before they built the Bank. The South Philly Sports Complex is a great place, but that urban stadium vibe is always a nice one, and would have accelerated the development in the area. The only question is where the Eagles would have ended up. I don't know.

I don't like the idea of the Sixers' Arena coming to Camden because of parking. An arena at that site would only cement the vast fields of parking that currently occupy most of the Camden waterfront. The only way to get rid of it is going to be slow, organic development of offices and apartments.

I think discussion of a replacement for the Farg would be better over in the project rundown thread so I'll post over there now.

if anything the Phillies should move the Williamsport Crosscutters to Camden, they are the Phillies Class A-Short Season Minor League Baseball team based in Williamsport, Pennsylvania, with Reading, Allentown, and Lakewood being so close, bring the Crosscutters to Camden would bring all of the Phillies affiliates close to the city, except the Clearwater Thrashers, this would save Campbell's Field and give Camden a boost, come see the future players of the Phillies

They are currently assembling a very large drill on the site. Looks like we're getting caissons baby!

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Last night

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The construction is now visible from Penn's Landing.

you can see the drilling rig from Market street in Philly when you look east

This was my view on Thursday 1/5 from Adventure Aquarium in Camden. Looks like the drilling rig still?

...Also, how can I make the picture come up smaller?


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At Camden's Subaru site, plans for a city within a city

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/ne...in_a_city.html

http://media.philly.com/images/01081...DEN08_1200.jpg

The North American HQ of Subaru is already totally topped out and cladding is going up on it.

I love what's happening in Camden, only a matter of time until we see Philly style infill development there.

Me too. Many are quick to criticize the enormous incentives the government is giving just to move jobs from one area of the state to another. And there's some merit to that. But I think this Camden revitalization is all about the longterm.

It will probably take decades, infill, and tag-a-long development before it really results in a residential boom of middle income people and true commercial vibrancy. But if this works, won't we all probably say it was 'worth it' notwithstanding the extraordinary lengths that needed to be taken? Camden is presently so divested and in such dire straits, it is probably lost forever without these kinds of measures.

Site from One Liberty Observation Deck

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5F6A8888 by Michael W Murphy, on Flickr

^^^ Also a good view of Bridge on Race.

"Knight's Crossing" sounds like Navy Yard east in concept, but still evokes suburban office park a bit too much. Here's hoping that it turns out more like the former.

Aside from the long amount of time it would take for real urban infill to develop and connect this to the Camden Waterfront, can it ever really? I don't know Camden very well, but doesn't i-676 separate "Knight's Crossing" from downtown Camden? True development of and integration of this into the city fabric seems challenging. More likely, it seems even if this takes off (which I hope), it remains a "city apart..." The better bet for sustained, urban growth seems to be the Waterfront development that is the subject of this thread.

^That's why I liken it to the Navy Yard. It's not going to be connected to anything in the near term. It will stand on it's own as "urban lite," or as a glorified office park.

The Liberty Place Observation Deck is amazing, isn't it. If you look hard enough, you can see Wilmington from up there. That should also be a good place to watch the construction going on around the city, as you should have a pretty good view of 1911 Walnut, 1910 Chestnut, this, and maybe the W Hotel as it continues to rise.

As for the "office park" comments, this kind of is an office park, just in a denser, more urban setting. It's still Camden, but the large parking garages makes it seem like an office park found in any other suburb.

Norcross group seeks to construct $245M building in Camden

http://www.bizjournals.com/philadelp...amden-cre.html

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http://www.phillyvoice.com/three-sj-...s-jobs-camden/

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http://www.nj.com/camden/index.ssf/2..._tower_on.html

I am more excited about the project at this new scale the ever before. This now appears to be a project that is wmrket appropriate, still transformative for the Camden waterfront, and would actually lead to further development of other lots in Camden in the near term - which is what Camden really needs.

The original proposal with two 100m+ towers would not have had nearly the same effect on the larger Camden area. Not to mention, even if the building itself was very attractive, it appeared way out of place and seemed like it belonged on the other side of the river. And given the historical market in Camden I imagine it would have been standing alone for a long time.

The original proposal was not realistic. But are there other waterfront lots where taller towers like those proposed could spring up if the economics ever make sense? I hope something like that sees its day. Even if that day is far in the future. Nice views for a revitalized waterfront and Penns Landing too such as is proposed with the Philadelphia park cap.

I like this design. But then again, I'm bound to like anything by the water.

Is it just me, or does the one building look like a miniature Aramark Tower?

^thats what I was thinking. I like the plan, it's a good scale, and NJ seems committed to revitalizing Camden, which is great. There are plenty of lots left in Camden for taller, flashier towers when the market can handle it. This is fine.

Yea honestly it looks pretty good. Obviously the original plan looked much better, but I thought that would never happen. The fact that this is happening and so soon, is incredibly unexpected and the design is far from terrible, the park is a nice asset and it looks roughly 1 million times better than the parking lot that this is replacing.

Ummm , mentioned this a few days ago .
 

I would like to think you read my post on March 11th. and just embellished upon it , which makes me smile . But if you managed to think the same about the building in
question , I am happy to read I am not alone in my thoughts about both buildings ..... :yes:



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[QUOTE=SJPhillyBoy;7737165]As each new rendering of the Camden Waterfront development is updated and released, it just becomes less inspiring, more generic, down graded in design and really nothing exciting. Plus NJ is giving away hundreds of millions in corp welfare to move NJ companies just a few miles into Camden, creating no new economy for NJ.



Yes , if the down grades continue , they will wind up with a Wendy's next to a Burger King . I liked the first published renderings
that had one building up over 400' but was cautious about jumping on the Camden band wagon because it looked a bit far fetched .

In this latest rendering , the shorter of the two buildings reminds me of Aramark and to be honest I never liked that ugly mother
either . What I would really like to see , one of the Phillies farm clubs moving into the old Campbell's Field .....

Was that in a different thread? Cause I don't see that up there.

Yes , it was part of a discussion in the Philadelphia High-rise Development Thread IX

March 11th. 2017 9:10 AM , post # 13822 .


For me , this all comes down to , not being the only one that feels this way . :)

Looks like this is happening.

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/ne...-Norcross.html

Camden has bones to work with but it needs a critical mass of "shit to do" before people will consider living there. I know this because I currently live there. We desperately need more bars, restaurants, and shops before I would consider living here again.

I hope that this project with more more than 1,000 new jobs, a hotel, and an apartment building will go a long way towards making that a reality.

Three S. Jersey firms to build $245 million office tower in Camden

Read more:
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/ne...-Norcross.html

I was on Patco a week ago and I also noticed they were moving dirt around on the North side of the bridge. Does anyone know what's going on there?

new park on prison site.

I didn't get a chance to grab a picture but steel has been rising all week for the low rise that will house American Water.

^^Nice!

https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2923/3...38502c81_b.jpg20170403_094931 by , on Flickr

Love it!! Go Camden!

this can be seen from the Philly side (Race St Pier) wayyyyy better than i was anticipating. the taller towers are going to have quite an impact once (fingers crossed it's totally finalized) they start to rise.