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ethereal_reality Nov 22, 2012 1:20 AM

This little place is so great.

Trav-Ler Lodge
2007 No. Highland Ave. (U.S. 101)
Hollywood 28, California
Phone HEmstead5501 (this was crossed out and replaced with HO3-5501)


tovangar2 Nov 22, 2012 1:24 AM

Thx for the Engstrum PC e_r. Nice find :-)

tovangar2 Nov 22, 2012 2:06 AM

Mines Field (LAX) 1930 & 1939 + 1951 expansion plan
Mines Field in 1930, looking very unthreatening. Surfridge had been laid out just nine years before, in 1921.

Mines Field in 1939, bigger, but not by much. This is the approximate view we had (from a somewhat lower vantage point of course) from Sepulveda and (what is now) Howard Hughes PKWY in the 1950's of the LA basin as we came off of high ground and headed downhill north of Hermosa Beach where we lived. The splendid view across to City Hall (upper center), standing tall downtown, never failed to thrill me.

1951 Master Plan for LAX sealing Surfridges fate.This drawing shows that the runways had already been extended a short distance to the west (Sepulveda Blvd was rerouted to jog around this extension). After the 1953 building of the Sepulveda Tunnel, Sepulveda Blvd was straightened out again and routed through the tunnel under the runways.

ethereal_reality Nov 22, 2012 2:12 AM


Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 5909115)
There's a little bit of noir at every address in L.A.... '20s variety in this case.

Los Angeles Times

Virginia started out as a child actor, but her career tanked with
sound. She married twice, had two kids, and died young (27) of TB.

She was quite precious as a little girl.

below: Here she is praying for the troops in WWI.

...and as an ingenue.

She looks quite contemporary to me.

tovangar2 Nov 22, 2012 2:54 AM

Mines Field/LAX Original Terminal
Moss Photo
Hanger No.1, Mines Field (LAX)
Gable & Wyant, 1929
Hanger No. 1, 2010
Another view of Hanger No. 1 showing the larger tower

ethereal_reality Nov 22, 2012 3:54 AM

I hope everyone has a grand feast tomorrow. Happy Thanksgiving!


ethereal_reality Nov 22, 2012 3:58 AM


Originally Posted by tovangar2 (Post 5910016)

Wow, this is a great illustration tovangar2! I missed it when I first read your post.


Albany NY Nov 22, 2012 4:05 AM

Oh, my mind wanders....


Ok, I know this is WAY off topic, and definitely not noir, but I was the movie "Plains, Trains and Automobiles", was LAX used as the supposed location of the St. Louis airport? This spot looks exactly like the location where Steve Martin slid down the snow-covered slope and nearly got run over by a truck. Sorry if it takes us off-track, but in the movie Steve Martin was trying to get home for Thanksgiving (so, there is a slight topicality.:)

tovangar2 Nov 22, 2012 4:18 AM


Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5910143)
Wow, this is a great illustration tovangar2! I missed it when I first read your post.


That's b/c I couldn't get it to load at first and had to add it later. The Expansion Plan finesses the disastrous effects on Surfridge by having this view peter out on the left margin :-(

Godzilla Nov 22, 2012 4:51 AM

Regarding the J Candy/S Martin endeavor, I don't remember it all that well. However, for what its worth, much of the film was shot in the mid-west, including Lambert Field in St. Louis.

And on that cinematic note, "Can you say that with me? 'Adobe'?" The "stuff" of which Bunker Hill and dreams were made?

1953 - Hill Street Tunnel Stairway

1950 - What lurks beyond 1st Street?

1965 -

1969 - Dirt Hill near the Castle.

Whether or not you celebrate them, Happy Holidays to all.

rick m Nov 22, 2012 5:17 AM

Towards the end of it's demolition , I went up there to peer into the exposed basement- Remember it was swarming with largish rats--probably in 1970 . Same time as the pit was viewable before the Arco Towers began any construction.

Godzilla Nov 22, 2012 5:18 AM

A survey of heights. Walking shoes recommended.

1961 - Third Street

1960 - The Glenn Apartments

1960 - Hotel Central

Godzilla Nov 22, 2012 5:52 AM

1953 - Hill Street south of Court Street

ethereal_reality Nov 22, 2012 7:04 AM

:previous: That's an amazing photograph Godzilla! How tall do you think that tree on the left is?

tovangar2 Nov 22, 2012 7:35 AM

Engstrum Demo Date?

Originally Posted by rick m (Post 5910230)

Towards the end of it's demolition , I went up there to peer into the exposed basement- Remember it was swarming with largish rats--probably in 1970 . Same time as the pit was viewable before the Arco Towers began any construction.

Nah rick m, I didn't start working for ARCO at Fifth & Flower until at least 1974. The Engstrum was still up then. I actually viewed a model apt there in the late 1970's. I think it might still have been in place in 1981 when I left DTLA. The Engstrum had, of course, been obliterated by Library Tower by the time I came back to ARCO as a consultant in 1995. I don't actually know the demo date, but it wasn't 1970.

And speaking of rats, former Richfield Oil employees, who were housed in the Superior Oil Building directly across Flower St from the Richfield Building, during its demolition in 1968-9, told me they were horrified at the number of rats that poured out of the basement levels when their much-beloved and beautiful former "home" was destroyed.

Chuckaluck Nov 22, 2012 9:40 AM


Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5788656)
Here is an excellent photograph of Charlie Chaplin and friends in downtown Los Angeles.
found on ebay

below: The photographer was located on west 6th Street.
Can anyone pinpoint the exact location of this photograph? I've googled 'grand hotel' so many times I want to cry.___

There was much interesting discussion regarding "The Grand Hotel" sign in the photo. It appears that there was a Grand Hotel and a New Grand Hotel, both of which were conveniently on Grand Avenue. Although I cannot recall seeing a photo of the Grand Hotel, Mr. Bengston, of "Silent Echoes/Visions/Traces" fame, provides a 1934 map that identifies the Grand Hotel at the corner of Grand Avenue and First Street. As a quick marker, look at the street name "GRAND" in red. Whether the sign in the photo is for this Grand Hotel, in 1918, remains to be answered. The map does not appear to identify any drinking establishments, per se, leaving open the question regarding the Bar sign in the Chaplin photo. It is possible that "the" bar might have existed in the guise of a store or res[taurant] which are identified.

http://silentlocations.files.wordpre...xt-lr-copy.jpg http://silentlocations.files.wordpre...xt-lr-copy.jpg

__________ * __________

As noted, there was also a "New Grand Hotel" located at 257 S. Grand Ave. It also went by the name of Nugent.
This Hotel is discussed in detail here: Bottom three images from

A couple "western" images of the Nugent / New Grand previously posted by GW (Stables may have been "just" around the corner. I hear the Tallyho stables at First and Broadway are fair.)

tovangar2 Nov 22, 2012 9:57 AM

The Park Tract & Beaudry Tract
I don't think this has been posted before.

I remember there were still big, old frames houses on Beaudry across the Harbor FWY from DTLA in the 70's. Some got moved and the rest were cleared.
Barry Lawrence Ruderman Antique Maps

It was made by Renshaw Litho in 1884.

Pearl St was later Figueroa and Diamond and Court St are still with us, as are Depot, Bunker Hill, Yale, Cleveland and College, but I didn't know there were two Beaudrys or a completely different Figueroa. I'm getting extremely lost looking at this.

I understand Beaudry's Tract 2 was over in what's Chinatown now, but the Park Tract is a bit harder, even though Temple and Pearl are clear enough.

Damn freeways, they cut everything to ribbons.

Godzilla Nov 22, 2012 11:09 AM


Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5910313)
:previous: That's an amazing photograph Godzilla! How tall do you think that tree on the left is?

Your guess is as good as mine. Since that tree is in the foreground, it clearly looks bigger than the other subjects, especially City Hall. Bear in mind that the buildings look to be a street away and at a lower grade. It may not be as tall as the Grant and Sherman sequoias, but the tree is still tall.

1963 - Rear of unknown Bunker Hill Apt house. (How would it have performed in a decent quake?)

1965 - view Bunker Hill, exact location unk.


Godzilla Nov 22, 2012 11:22 AM

Do not believe these images has been posted here before.

1953 - Above Hill Street Tunnel

1960 - Hall of Records and City Hall

Godzilla Nov 22, 2012 11:32 AM

1956 - 201 Hope Street

Noticed the steel post with a platform paralleling the wooden utility pole. Would this have been a WW2-era air raid siren or were there "modern" fire lookouts?

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