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Beaudry Mar 2, 2011 6:08 AM


Originally Posted by JeffDiego (Post 5183956)
Gaylord and Beaudry: We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. Ha! To me, the bldg. is a monstrosity. It's interesting that it went up as Hollywood Blvd. and surrounding area were going into seedy decline. There were probably many who thought that modernization with bldgs. like this were the answer to Hollywood's problems. Same time that Bunker Hill was being bulldozed.
The photos though, as usual, are excellent. Thanks.
I believe that C.E. Toberman was the founder of First Federal savings.
This "headquarters" bldg. is a perfect example (again. my opinion) of the typical developer's attitude at its height in the 50's through the 70's: "If it's old, it's unwanted junk and get rid of it, if it's new, modern and "up to date" it's great."
Wonder if anyone has a photo of an interesting bldg. I remember near Grauman's Chinese. It was a "1920's Oriental" style apartment bldg. called the "Nirvana," and may still be there. It was on Orchid Avenue, I believe, north of Hollywood Blvd. near Franklin, and had supposedly been financed by silent screen actress Anna Mae Wong. Also nearby was (is?) the wonderful Mission Revival house that became the Cinemotographer's bldg. have to admit the different colored panels on the FFS&L are...something...


1925 by architect E.M. Erdaly | 1775 N. Orange Drive

Great shots here and a note about its recent restoration here

Here's the 1903 Mission Revival house that the ASC moved into in 1936 -- still there, too, doin' fine, getting a bit hemmed in, but taken care of...

Beaudry Mar 2, 2011 6:35 AM

I will say this

...sure changed the streetscape.

GaylordWilshire Mar 2, 2011 2:31 PM

Cadillac in Distress Under the Palms
Actor Donald Crisp drove his Cadillac up the steps of St. Thomas Episcopal Church on the NW corner of Hollywood Boulevard and Gardner on March 21,
1952. The Reverend George W. Barnes is surveying the scene with Crisp above. The right side of the car is pretty banged up--wonder what else
he hit? IMDB

Before he turned to acting, Crisp (born in London, 1882; died 1974) was a producer, director and screenwriter. He won an Academy Award for Best Supporting Actor in 1942 for How Green Was My Valley and had an incredibly long career, beginning in silents--sometimes with Buster Keaton. He was in dozens of movies, including Red Dust ('32), Mutiny on the Bounty ('35), Wuthering Heights, The Private Lives of Elizabeth and Essex and Juarez (all '39--whatta year!), How Green Was My Valley ('41), National Velvet ('44), and Pollyanna ('60). He also apparently made wise real estate investments. IMDB
With Sara Allgood and Maureen O'Hara in How Green Was My Valley IMDB
Winning the Oscar, 1942. Perhaps Gary was strolling down Franklin at the time of the
Caddy crack-up.... Street View

Wenders Mar 2, 2011 3:12 PM


Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5182441)
I agree with you about the matchbooks Beaudry.

They are extremely 'noirish'. More times than not they were used to pass a clandestine phone number to a possible paramour.
The graphics are intriguingly beautiful. I have some fine examples that I will try to post later.


Welcome to the thread Wenders.
It's very interesting to hear from someone who has spent some time in the 'Frolic Room'.
Do you have any photographs from your time in the area?


I love that 'Hotel La Jolla' sign shaped like a palm tree.
The hotel 'reviews' sound like they were written by the owners to drum up business.

Thanks, Ethereal R.

I went thru my photographs, unfortunately they're practically all close-ups of friends and other people, not showing buildings or any background details that could be interesting. They could be shot anywhere.

However, to me at least, aside from Kodak Theatre/Hollywood Blvd/ Highland Ave complex, and W Hotel -block across the Frolic Room, the neighborhood looks quite same as 20 years ago. Sure, the storefronts are prettied up, there's more tourists activity, and the shabby, good ol' Hollywood is gone, but structure -wise not much have changed.

-Regarding Nirvana Apt. post: Very familar building to me, my girlfriend lived next door, I passed the building often when walking from/to my own apartment, which was on Lanewood Ave, the short, pine tree -lined street between Sunset and Hollywood Blvd. The street and my building appears in last scene of "Francis Farmer" movie (with Jessica Lange. You can see also Hollywood High School's westside wall in the same scene.)

gsjansen Mar 2, 2011 6:00 PM

get ready for sum' more right scrollin' fun!

1921 Baist's real estate survey atlas of downtown los angeles bounded by 7th on the South, Wall on the East, 2nd on the North and just west of hill on the west
Source: LAPL Visual Collection

1940 sightseeing map of Los Angeles and Hollywood
Source: LAPL Visual Collection

gsjansen Mar 2, 2011 8:10 PM

Andy961 at flicker posted some images that he had taken back in 1962 during the construction of the i-10 santa monica freeway.

he graciously gave me permission to post them here.

our good friend the young apartments
Source: Andy961 flicker photostream

the olympic auditorium
Source: Andy961 flicker photostream

Construction of 1-10 freeway bridge over hill street
Source: Andy961 flicker photostream

jg6544 Mar 2, 2011 11:21 PM

The 1940 map is fascinating. I wonder how many of those houses are still around.

malumot Mar 3, 2011 1:13 AM

The 1921 Baist survey map ----

One thing that strikes me about that map is the fact that ALL THAT WORK WAS DONE BY HAND! They developed lettering stencils and a lot of other cartographic stuff later on. But in 1921 it was basically a T-square, some fountain pens and well-honed printing skills.

Well done, men. :cheers:

sopas ej Mar 3, 2011 1:25 AM

gsjansen, those maps are indeed amazing. And I really like those photos of the Santa Monica Freeway construction and the Young Apartments. That freeway is such a major traffic artery today, it's almost surreal to see pics of it under construction. Makes me wonder how much of a traffic relief it was when it first opened, and how soon after it became traffic-clogged.

westcork Mar 3, 2011 1:30 AM

What a contrast that First Federal building is compared to the Security First National building

JDRCRASH Mar 3, 2011 1:46 AM


Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 5182799)
Exactly. Yes, I'm familiar with Times Square. All I can say is... I don't come to "Noirish Los Angeles" looking for ersatz versions of it... what's anybody doing here except lamenting the loss of the Hollywood Hotel etc etc etc?

Well, I mentioned it because billboards have a VERY long history in Los Angeles, perhaps almost as long as Times Square. Somewhere earlier in this thread is a photo from the 1920's of the historic core with billboards.

GaylordWilshire Mar 3, 2011 2:10 AM

Bunker Hill as Phoenix Century-Fox Century-Fox
I'm a few minutes into 1956's Bus Stop the other day, with Don Murray and Arthur O'Connell having just
gotten off the bus in Phoenix. Phoenix? The prop signs didn't fool me. I knew I was looking at The Nugent/
New Grand at 3rd and Grand on Bunker Hill. University Archives
The Nugent/later New Grand Hotel, 3rd and Grand, 1952 Century-Fox
Detail of the Lovejoy, across Grand Century-Fox
Don Murray chases Marilyn on Bunker Hill Avenue. Here he is in front of the Brousseau Mansion at 238
S. Bunker Hill. (A refresher course on that house here:

JDRCRASH Mar 3, 2011 2:43 AM


Originally Posted by jg6544 (Post 5184898)
The 1940 map is fascinating. I wonder how many of those houses are still around.

Probably extremely few, if any.

ethereal_reality Mar 3, 2011 2:46 AM

^^^ What a great discovery GaylordWilshire!
I've watched 'Bus Stop' numerous times in my life and it never occurred to me to question the background.

I love those 1962 Santa Monica Freeway construction photos gsjansen.
The 1921 real estate survey map is amazing as well, and as Malumot pointed was all hand drawn.

ethereal_reality Mar 3, 2011 3:07 AM

Here is a rare photograph of the opening of the Boyle Heights Cable Railway.
Workman Family Archive

I have no other details. Does anyone know what year this might have been?

ethereal_reality Mar 3, 2011 3:39 AM

The Grosse Building in 1908. 6th and Spring Street.
usc digital archive

below: The Wilcox Building at Spring & Second, 1905.
usc digital archive

below: The Western Pacific Building at Broadway & Olympic.
usc digital archive

ethereal_reality Mar 3, 2011 4:00 AM

The Los Angeles First National Trust & Savings Bank. This is an extremely interesting building. (no location given)
usc digital archive

below: The First Western Bank Building.
usc digital archives

Can anyone help me out with the locations of these two fine building?
They look as if they could be by the same architect.

sopas ej Mar 3, 2011 4:29 AM


The first one, however, no longer exists, demolished decades ago; it used to stand on the southeast corner of Lake Ave. and Colorado Blvd. The other building still pretty much looks the same, minus the Western Bank blade sign. I used to work near that building.

Here's a picture I took of it in Novermber of 2009:

JeffDiego Mar 3, 2011 4:29 AM


Originally Posted by Beaudry (Post 5183987) have to admit the different colored panels on the FFS&L are...something...


1925 by architect E.M. Erdaly | 1775 N. Orange Drive

Great shots here and a note about its recent restoration here

Here's the 1903 Mission Revival house that the ASC moved into in 1936 -- still there, too, doin' fine, getting a bit hemmed in, but taken care of...

Beaudry: The Nirvana! Also the wonderful Cinematographer's bldg. Excellent photos. Thanks! ASC has been there since 1936. Wow.
Haven't been along the side streets of Hollywood in many a year. I got Orchid Ave. mixed up with Orange Ave. Correction appreciated.

sopas ej Mar 3, 2011 4:52 AM

Here's another view of the building, looking at it from a block east on Colorado Boulevard, then and now.

USC Archive

November 2009
Photo by me

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