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In my country, crossing the borders to Belgium, Luxembourg, Germany, Italy or Spain takes nothing! Not even a second, because it's all the EU. But over there in NA... There must still be an administration routine or procedure of sorts. That must be seriously annoying on a daily basis. That is even nonsensical, quite obviously. |
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Waukegan and Gary didn't have the river mill economy, but they did serve as trans-shipment points for lake shipping before the railroads arrived. None of these places were commuter suburbs in the modern sense - the residents didn't participate in the broader Chicago economy, but their work product went to Chicago warehouses before being shipped across the nation. This relationship is pretty clear when you look at the second tier of satellites - North Chicago, West Chicago, Chicago Heights and East Chicago. These were not river or lake-shipping towns, so they didn't really exist until some industrialists decided they could do their manufacturing "out in the countryside" while still sending their product by rail back to Chicago for sales and distro. |
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It went from a population of virtually zero in 1900 to a population of 100,000 by 1930. So it didn't really have those decades of independent 19th century early development that the others had. |
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Americans likely won't be able to enter Canada (and vice-versa) till 2021. Except for commerce, and a few extreme exceptions, the countries have basically no on-the-ground access.
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Dayton's satellite cities are Troy, Xenia, and Springfield; and depending on who you ask, you could probably add Middletown and Piqua to that list too.
Cincinnati doesn't really have a lot of satellite cities other than Hamilton. Everything else is really a core city like Covington or a total sprawlburb like Mason that does have a 19th-century "downtown", but it's barely a blip on the map. |
for st louis the true historical “ring“ cities would have to be like st. charles, florissant, cahokia, even ste genevieve and other 18th, or even 17th century (cahokia, illinois the canadien settlement not the mississippian civilization was founded in 1696) french colonial regional cities and settlements.
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Atlantic City is nowhere near that in the case of Philadelphia. Nor is Reading, really (not yet, at least... it is connected via the 422 corridor, but not fully surrounded by the “Philly area” by any means). Similarly with Allentown/Lehigh a valley, though even less so. Trenton functions as far more of a “ring city” for Philadelphia than it does for NYC obviously. I just don’t think that CSA classifications necessarily fit for Steely’s example. |
For Miami, I would think Hialeah, Coral Gables, and Miami Beach are the main ring cities within Dade County. Outside, maybe Fort Lauderdale and West Palm Beach have the same role?
For NYC, Newark and New Haven probably would fit the bill. Brooklyn too historically before it got pulled into the greater city. Atlanta: Marietta for sure. There’s so many minor communities around the city that either were historically small towns or newer suburban developments. LA: Santa Monica, Long Beach, Pasadena, Hollywood come immediately to mind. |
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yeah, places like AC weren't really what i had in mind when i created the thread, but i also didn't spell out any ground rules, leaving the topic open to a lot of interpretation. by "historical ring cities", i meant small cities that formed independent from, and outside of, their alpha city's Urban Area (ie. not contiguous with it at the time), that then grew to some modest established size in the pre-war era (say, at least 25,000 people by 1940), and were then fully consumed by post-war sprawl into the alpha city's Urban Area over the past 8 decades. |
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still on a continuum. just like the crescent of french founded cities around st. louis. they formed a sort of regional unit smaller than a state, territory, or province. |
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Also, I'd call Middletown a shared satellite city of Cincinnati and Dayton. It's in Cincy's MSA, and their public schools play in an athletic league with the Cincy northern suburban districts like Princeton, Sycamore, Lakota, etc. |
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There is another ring of towns a little further out like Ottawa, DeKalb or Kankakee that were also part of the hinterland, but with a slightly weaker connection. One question I've wondered is, can these towns gentrify since they offer a more authentic urban experience in the suburbs? I've always thought Elgin would eventually gentrify, with access to Chicago and Tollway corridor jobs. But maybe their "urban-lite" status is the worst of both worlds? Waukegan and Gary are probably too far destroyed - which is a shame, since the lake is a huge amenity especially in Waukegan. The closest analogies I can think of are Lowell and Worcester, MA which have seen limited success with downtown redevelopment but their neighborhoods have not significantly turned over and average incomes remain unchanged. |
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I imagine if someone from Waukegan, Elgin, Aurora, or Joliet was asked where they were from by a non-Chicagoan or non-Chicago region person, that someone would likely respond that they were from Chicago. But if someone from Atlantic City or Allentown or Reading was asked where they were from by a non-regional resident, that person would rarely, if ever, claim that they were from Philadelphia. Maybe saying that they’re about an hour outside of Philly if the questioner was unfamiliar. |
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Gary's Marquette Park it a true gem, escpecially with its early 20th century pavilions and other park structures restored. https://www.google.com/maps/@41.6178...!7i7000!8i3500 https://www.google.com/maps/@41.6179...7i16384!8i8192 https://www.google.com/maps/@41.6193...7i16384!8i8192 and close access to indiana dunes national and state parks (probably the best natural areas in the entire chicagoland region) is also a huge plus. but yeah, Gary is too far gone, and too heavy on real-deal heavy industrial (steel making, oil refining, etc.), for it to gentrify anytime soon. |
^ Yeah I forgot about Miller - I actually have some friends (definitely creative class/stereotypical gentrifier types) who just moved there. But it's really the opposite of what I'm talking about. It's not super walkable, not very dense or urban. Even the sidewalks are pretty patchy. It just happens to lie within Gary city limits. Definitely different than, say, Elgin's West Side.
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What ring cities have their own : Zoo Two State Universities Hospital System Children's Hospital Art Museum Syphony Orchestra Airport Etc.... Due to Sprawl the Akron area and Cleveland area are neighbors but it's not a sattelite or ring city, like a Waukegan to Chicago or Lorain to Cleveland. |
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