Here are a few recent eBay finds. I hope these haven't been posted previously...I don't remember seeing them here, but with this forum totaling 215 pages now it's not easy to keep track of everything that has already appeared.
I'm also a little skeptical that the locations indicated are 100% accurate, so I welcome any corrections. Sunset Blvd., 1903 https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-z...0Boulevard.jpg [source: eBay] Westlake Park, about 1905 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-D...252520Park.jpg [source: eBay] Wilcox Building, year unknown. https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-w...520Angeles.jpg [source: eBay] 5th & Hill Street, year unknown. https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-K...520Angeles.jpg [source: eBay] Downtown Streetcar, 1912 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-b...0streetcar.jpg [source: eBay] Miracle Mile, 1929 https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-N...252520Mile.jpg [source: eBay] |
every so often, even noir needs a little color to brighten things up!
some historical postcard scans Clifton's Pacific Seas 618 South Olive Street - 1950 http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6010/...d8a08ab1_o.jpg Chinese Theater 6925 Hollywood Boulevard - 1973 http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6016/...1a056823_o.jpg looking north on vine street from sunset boulevard - 1954 http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6140/...be01a1aa_o.jpg CBS Television City 7800 Beverly Boulevard - 1958 http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6027/...447565dc_o.jpg Ambassador Hotel 3400 Wilshire Boulevard - 1961 http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6001/...8b95d0d1_o.jpg looking east from beaudry across the harbor freeway towards the civic center - 1964 http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6131/...9f0d049c_o.jpg |
speaking of color.........this 1973 photograph looking north on main across 4th street was just recently posted on the Vintage Los Angeles facebook page. wow! the follies in full living color!
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Well, that looks like a '72 or '73 Imperial to me.... if it's a lowrider it's probably not the kind that does tricks. Now, it's hard to tell, but a few tricks might be turning in that back seat.... Looks to me like the lean is really just due to its having turned practically on two wheels off 4th Street... note the rubber on the road. The tire marks and the Follies are gone, but at least the Barclay remains: https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-g...2520PM.bmp.jpgGoogle |
hey scott,
the person who posted the photograph, clarified it by stating that it was a screen capture from the movie uptown saturday night......... funny, as i recall, that bill cosby, sidney poitier flick was supposed to take place in chicago......................................hmmmmmmmmm, (imdb confirms that the movie takes place in the windy city, but pick up shots are indeed filmed in the city of angeles..........) anyway, that explains why the traffic is flowing against the normal grain. |
Great shot of Wilcox building and H. Jevne was a grocer who was at 40 Spring Street as early as 1882 but listed at 208 S. Spring in 1909 Guessing at 19-ought-something since Sun Drug started in LA after 1901 and streetcar is electric
Shot from LAPL shows area in 1913.http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics35/00067424.jpg |
That picture of Television City reminded me of some addresses I been trying to find for awhile. I'll bet that somebody on this forum can answer these two questions. I've searched the internet but came up empty.
Does anybody know what the street address of Four Star Productions was? This was the production company owned by Dick Powell and 3 other stars that produced, among other shows, 'The Rifleman' and 'The Big Valley'. How about Revue Studios, producers of 'Wagon Train' and 'Leave it to Beaver' ? I think it became Universal Television. I've seen clips of the building where it looks like it has a street address, not buried in Universal Studios. Thanks in advance! |
Frostonya mystery
Wondering if anyone might have suggestions about a mystery about the Frostonya apartments. Photo here from LAPL. http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics14/00026726.jpg
In big pictorial map of LA from 1932 called Greater Los Angeles the Wonder City of America... the artist draws a big circle around the Frostonya. The artist was a transplanted German named Karl Leuschner who created this great map but why was the Frostonya singled out? Leuschner did not seem to live there and the company who published the map were not in the building. |
What a beautiful apartment building cleats! Luckily it has survived. I'm still trying to find an answer to your Leuschner mystery.
http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/2...pts346nver.jpg google street views |
The street north of Frostonya Apts. is Oakwood Avenue (now an on-ramp to to the Hollywood Freeway).
http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/6...ptsfromonr.jpg lapl below: A contemporary view of the entrance. http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/1...ptentrance.jpg google street view |
Kelly Kar Co. Figueroa between 12th nad pico 1947
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https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-G...1%252520AM.jpg And a detail... https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-O...2520AM.bmp.jpg Leuschner lived at 1323½ Lemoyne per the '29 city directory... the wire between the KFSG radio towers atop Aimee's joint in this fragment of the big map marks the spot. He taught at Otis in those days, when it was located at "The Bivouac"... Scroll to the bottom of this post for a description of an apartment in the Frostonoya: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=2957 Not that any of this explains Leuschner's circle.... |
a very interesting map centered on the plaza, showing buildings and streets that no longer exist, along with the current streets and buildings that do.
streets which no longer exist are shown in a light grey, and/or labeled in italics the 101 freeway and its ramps are shown in a darker grey Buildings which no longer exist are outlined with dotted lines, (for some reason, the lugo adobe is shown as still existing??) http://www.lanopalera.net/LAHistory/NMainSites.gif Source: LA Nopalera |
Hallo everybody............
So last night I'm channel surfing at around 12:10 am...... Guess what I see coming up in FIVE MINUTES on Turner Classic.......... THE EXILES. Yup. They ran it last nite. Opening and closing shot: Clay, just north of Angels Flight, in the exact same spot where Mike Hammer parked his little convertible in Kiss Me Deadly. As to the movie.....Let's just say it was a student movie. But the insight into what things were like in LA 50 years ago was instructive. Life was harder, with sharper edges. And that just didn't apply to the Indians. Watching it will deflate some of the romantic notions many of us (myself included) hold about Bunker Hill and the Main Street bars. Could - and should - the Engstrum have been saved? Absolutely. The Sunshine? No way in the world. Bunker Hill WAS a slum. The crime wasn't so much in the redevelopment of Bunker Hill (it needed it) as it was the nuclear leveling of the place. |
malumot, interesting post about The Exiles. Hadn't heard of it until now. I'll see if I can locate a DVD and do some frame grabs of the Bunker Hill shots.
GaylordWilshire, thanks for the image of Leuschner's map. I love historic maps that show landmarks, and this one is new to me. I've been looking around the net for a larger version. (OK, and maybe I'm looking for an affordable reprint too.) I'm a little puzzled why some versions on the net show the circle around the Frostonya... http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2010-10/57028337.jpg (source: Los Angeles Times) ...while others versions of the same map have no such circle. http://www.history-map.com/picture/0...ngeles-Los.jpg (source: history-map.com) http://www.tahoemaps.com/files/LA_Wo...ity-detail.jpg (source: tahoemaps.com) Are we certain the map was originally drawn and published with a circle around the Frostonya? EDIT: Still searching around the net, and I stumbled across a few very large, high-quality images of early pictoral maps of Los Angeles at a site called bigmapblog.com. (Not the Leuschner map, however.) This 1909 birdseye map has a staggering amount of detail, with names for virtually all major buildings and businesses in Los Angeles at the time. |
The Exiles is currently on Netflix streaming. FYI.
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Hey, Handsome Stranger, (and anyone else who wants), you can view the full sized Leuschner's map at this locale
Los Angeles the Wonder City 1932 enjoy |
^^^That map is amazing! Thanks for the link gsjansen.
__________ I'm watching 'The Unfaithful' (1947) tonight on TCM. Impressive scene on Angels Flight...among others. http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/941...hfulposter.jpg warners |
After a bit of 'googling' I found this....
The Angels Flight scene from 'The Unfaithful'. http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/7...ectricearl.jpg warners via electricearl.com ___________ |
The Exiles, a film by Ken Mackenzie
Hey guys!
I read the Malumot post on The Exiles film, and I wanted to post some captures of the film. All info is taken from: http://www.exilesfilm.com/, the website of the movie. There, we can read this: 'THE EXILES chronicles one night in the lives of young Native American men and women living in the Bunker Hill district of Los Angeles. Based entirely on interviews with the participants and their friends, the film follows a group of exiles — transplants from Southwest reservations — as they flirt, drink, party, fight, and dance' http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/235...61ea577787.jpg Uploaded with ImageShack.us 'Filmmaker Kent Mackenzie first conceived of The Exiles during the making of his short film Bunker Hill—1956 while a student at the University of Southern California. In July 1957, Mackenzie began to hang around with some of the young Indians in downtown Los Angeles. After a couple of months, he broached the subject of making a film that would present a realistic portrayal of Indian life in the community.' Here we go. Here are some captures of the film: http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/2167/carsathillx.jpg Uploaded with ImageShack.us (Can anyone name the streets? I can't) http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/8711/3rdstreet.jpg Uploaded with ImageShack.us http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/6750/12000600.jpg Uploaded with ImageShack.us I guess this might be Clay Street. http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/7656/bfitheexiles2.jpg Uploaded with ImageShack.us http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/9728/exiles3.png Uploaded with ImageShack.us http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/2742/exiles4.jpg Uploaded with ImageShack.us And now, some of the characters of the film: http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/9991/drinkingbd.jpg Uploaded with ImageShack.us http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/5875/theexiles.jpg Uploaded with ImageShack.us http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/5875/theexiles.jpg Uploaded with ImageShack.us Finally, my curiosity took me to Youtube, and to my surprise, I could check out that a sort of trailer of the film is available: Enjoy! And thanks to Malumot for his post about The Exiles! |
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Mesmer City from the l.a. times There's the mysterious "Mesmer City," shown in 1924 as prosperously thriving between Culver City and Mar Vista. It turns out the detailed map was a subdivision promoter's dreamy depiction of what life could be like at homesites "in the direction of Los Angeles' growth toward the ocean." That growth eventually arrived, but Mesmer City didn't. it was a pipe dream of the geo a. bray co., a city adjacent to culver city. there is not a lot of information, (at least that i can find), giving all the details about mesmer city, and it's eventual fade from memory, but there is this 1924 informational map and brochure put out by the geo a. bray co. http://jpg1.lapl.org/maps/lg//MAP_0005.jpg Source: LAPL Map Collection http://jpg1.lapl.org/maps/lg//MAP_0004.jpg Source: LAPL Map Collection |
There are essays on both the Mesmer map and the Leuschner map in the recent book "Los Angeles in Maps" Unfortunately, you cannot read them on Google books but it is out there. I admit I wrote it and never could solve the riddle of the Frostonya. Looking at this website is like eating chocolate cake for me...fantastic stuff and knowledgeable folks posting.
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Excellent post on 'The Exiles' Sebisebster!
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http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/6751/bernheinerjg.jpg postcard from ebay Handsome Stranger, here's a link to an earlier post on the gardens. http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=1088 A couple of the other places were new to me as well...like Mesmer City and Home of Mentalphysics. Although I see the Home of Mentalphysics' arrow is pointing to the dome atop Trinity Auditorium (see below). http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/474/9thgrand.jpg usc digital archive This beautiful building at 9th & Grand still exists! ______________ |
Paris Inn
Hey Ninja55,
Don't know if you already have this in your collection, but this postcard is currently on e-bay. http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/4572/parisinnpc.jpg ~F3 |
.....and for Scott
Here's a cute, probably 30's, linen postcard of Silverlake Auto Court that is also on e-bay right now.
http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/9307/slautocourt.jpg ~F3 |
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Out of curiosity I've got a question for all and sundry here: do you regularly read and/or participate in other websites or blogs that focus on Los Angeles? If so, what are they?
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Hey GW,
this past week i watched on TCM the 1947 Red Skelton movie Merton of the Movies. The plot centers around an aspiring movie actor named Merton who is a terrible actor, when the movie executives see how funny that Merton's over-acting is, they cast him in a comedy, but tell him that he's acting in a drama. the movie also stars Virginia O'Brien in probably her only starring vehicle in which she doesn't sing with her trademark stone faced expression. there is a scene when Merton 1st arrives in Los Angeles, and he is at the house of a big star. I am pretty sure that the house, and the on location shooting that took place on the street is Berkeley Square. unfortunately i did not record it, nor can i find any images of that particular scene. maybe you've already seen it and can comment whether or not it was indeed filmed in berkeley square. anyway, it's scheduled to show again on September 13th at 6:am. (this time i'll record it, and see if i can snag a screen cap of the street to post here) the movie is fun skelton fluff, and virgina o'brien is terrific in it. and as an added bonus, great noir femme fatale, Gloria Grahame, plays the silent movie star who virgina o'brien stunt doubles for in the movie. |
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gs--- Thanks for the heads up. I've caught glimpses of MoftheM a few times but never could stick with it. Even if the great Grahame is in it, I've never been much on Skelton. I tried to get it from the NYPL and was surprised that even its film archive at Lincoln Center doesn't have it-- neither does Netflix. (Not feeling much like spending $20 on a copy.) Anyway, I'll try to catch it in Sept and if it's a house on the Square will get some screen caps too for this thread and the blog. Btw there are some shots of the southwest pedestrian gate, including a few partial shots (very partial) of Hall Roach's house at #22 (plus a couple of quick distance shots of #18) in Roach's Charley Chase silent Crazy Like a Fox. One title card refers to the Roach house as "22 Mozart Square." My post on #22 on berkeleysquarelosangeles.blogspot.com will be up next Tuesday. The gate I mentioned looks like the one below.... https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-J...BSqpedgate.jpgLAPL |
Nice list of sites, GaylordWilshire! And I see that at some of the blogs in your list there are links to even more blogs about Los Angeles. I'm going to enjoy scanning through the lot of them.
This afternoon I was lucky enough to have located a DVD of Merton of the Movies, and I borrowed it just long enough to make frame grabs of the scene (actually one single shot) that gsjansen mentioned. It appears to be the only location shoot in the entire film. https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/--...Q/Merton01.jpg [source: DVD issued by Warner Home Entertainment] https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-u...g/Merton02.jpg [source: DVD issued by Warner Home Entertainment] https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-c...c/Merton03.jpg [source: DVD issued by Warner Home Entertainment] https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-p...k/Merton04.jpg [source: DVD issued by Warner Home Entertainment] https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-u...I/Merton05.jpg [source: DVD issued by Warner Home Entertainment] https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-T...U/Merton06.jpg [source: DVD issued by Warner Home Entertainment] https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-A...s/Merton07.jpg [source: DVD issued by Warner Home Entertainment] I wonder if anyone has ever attempted to compile a list of all the movies Hollywood has made about the movie business? |
I look at LAObserved regularly, LAist, HiddenLA on Facebook, and VintageLA on Facebook, a lot. I do go to others and find great things about places and stories of LA. Just recently discovered noirish, recommended by a real Bunker Hill buff and get lost in a lot of these images.
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Photo has several interesting angles: taken by Ansel Adams showing a billboard erected by Anne Morrow Lindbergh "a Plea for Peace" at an unidentified street corner...with the Observatory in the background Lapl photo collection |
Well, HR, I think you just saved me $20--I wasn't sure I could wait until September to see Merton of the Movies and was about to order it from Amazon. When I saw your screen caps I looked at the houses, and while they are of similar scale, and the palms are like those of Berkeley Square--what caught my eye is that the streetlamps differ from the ones I've seen in pics of Berkeley Square. They look to me like those of the original part of Windsor Square, which also had concrete streets (the later part of Windsor Sq to the west had concrete lamps and the streets are asphalt--you can see the change in street surface on some streets, like 5th, between Plymouth and Lucerne)... and I knew that Plymouth still has long rows of palms... After then looking on Google Earth, I think this is the street. The house the actors are coming out of appears to have been replaced (would have been about 447 S. Plymouth), but the two to its north are still there. Some chimneys are lower, as many have gotten over the years; but judging by the rooflines, the lamps, and the palms, I'd say it's the west side of the 400 block of Plymouth. The street looks wider in the movie, but I think that's more to do with lenses. See what you think:
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-o...2%252520PM.jpg https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-g...0%252520PM.jpg https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-b...7%252520PM.jpg This is 425 S. Plymouth, which according to one website, is Virginia Hill's house in Bugsy--haven't checked on that though. Edit: DVR'ed Merton on TCM this a.m. 9-14-11--fast fowarding revealed another scene of the street, with clearer shots of the two houses to the north of the house Merton goes in & out of (the one with the lions)--it's definitely Plymouth. As substantial as the house featured in the film appears--445/447 S Plymouth--it has been replaced by two MUCH less attractive houses that appear to be circa late '50s or early '60s. |
Cleats-- Re that sign-- sounds like Mrs. Lindbergh is defending Nazi aggression to me, which would be no surprise considering her husband. Anyway, looks like that intersection might be the nw corner of Vermont & Franklin. Somewhere online there are old maps that indicate the old route of El Camino Real through Los Angeles--note the bell.
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GaylordWilshire....you're absolutely correct about Anne Morrow Lindbergh's sign.....
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Ailine Barnsdall was somewhat of a leftist, and over the years, particularly in the 1930's, placed leftist leaning political billboard signs along the permiter of the hollyhock house property. 1934 image of the same corner, (note the el camino real bell), with the billboard giving support to upton sinclair. http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics40/00069986.jpg Source: LAPL other messages that were posted on the billboards gave support to loyalists in the spanish civil war, and sparing the life of James B. McNamara the bomber of the la times building. 1922 portrait photograph of Aline Barnsdall http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics42/00040882.jpg Source: LAPL |
and speaking of the el camino real bells, (or is that ringing of the bells),
placement and blessing of the 1st bell in the plaza. August 16, 1906 http://www.californiabell.com/photos...llblessing.jpg Source: California Bell closeup of a bell on north mission road http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...BE199BEEE?v=hr Source: USC Digital Archive 1939 image of a bell at sunset and el centro outside columbia square http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/assets...CHS-37071?v=hr Source: USC Digital Archive |
i think your right GW, the street in MoftheM, (great acronym btw!) is plymouth, and not berkeley square. the scene didn't last very long, and as i hadn't recorded it, i had no way to study it.
and a million thanks to you HS for posting the screen caps! the main reason why i liked the movie certainly has nothing to do with red skelton, i adore virgina o'brien, and i had never seen her in a starring role that didn't require her to freeze up her face while singing! the movie is worth the 20 samolians only for that! |
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You're right, gs, the Barnsdall connection makes perfect sense, but I think you mean Sunset & Vermont--El Camino Real at the time came west from Whitter, through downtown, out Sunset past Vermont & Aline's billboards, up Cahuenga and over the pass, then out Ventura Blvd--hence a bell at Sunset & Vermont.... |
Maybe I'll have to watch no DVR MoftheM to check out O'Brien's frozen face. "Virginia" reminds of my favorite (not Hellmans/Best Foods) Mayo, who reminds me of Ann Dvorak in Our Very Own, which, with MISS VEDA PIERCE herself Ann Blyth in the cast, is worth catching. There are some location shots of a high school near the end, which I used to know the name of (the real one) but now can't find. The house in the movie seems like it might be an actual location too (or it's on a set and I want it to be real), and it's been a lifelong L.A. quarry of mine.... Sweet Americana--Jane Wyatt is the mother, Farley Granger the cute (but even then ambiguous) boyfriend, Natalie Wood and even Martin Milner. By the way, I've been reading an omnibus of James M Cain. The noir oozes from between the pages. DO NOT fail to read at least the short story "The Baby in the Icebox"....
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do you hear bells ringing?
a bit of el camino real bell history In 1892, Anna Pitcher of Pasadena, California initiated an effort to preserve the as-yet uncommemorated route of Alta California’s Camino Real, an effort adopted by the California Federation of Women's Clubs in 1902. Modern El Camino Real was one of the first state highways in California. Given the lack of standardized road signs at the time, it was decided to place distinctive bells along the route, hung on supports in the form of an 11-foot high shepherd's crook, also described as "a Franciscan walking stick." The first of 450 bells were unveiled on August 15, 1906 at the Plaza Church in the Pueblo near Olvera Street in Los Angeles. The original organization which installed the bells fragmented, and the Automobile Club of Southern California and associated groups cared for the bells from the mid-1920s through 1931. The State took over bell maintenance in 1933. Most of the bells eventually disappeared due to vandalism, theft or simple loss due to the relocation or rerouting of highways and roads. After a reduction in the number of bells to around 80, the State began replacing them, at first with concrete, and later with iron. A design first produced in 1960 by Justin Kramer of Los Angeles was the standard until the California Department of Transportation (Caltrans) began a restoration effort in 1996. Keith Robinson, Principal Landscape Architect at Caltrans developed an El Camino Real restoration program which resulted in the installation of 555 El Camino Real Bell Markers in 2005. The Bell Marker consists of a 460 mm diameter cast metal bell set atop a 75 mm diameter Schedule 40 pipe column that is attached to a concrete foundation using anchor rods. The original 1906 bell molds were used to fabricate the replacement bells. The replacement and original bells were produced by the California Bell Company, are dated 1769 to 1906, and include a designer's copyright notice. the el camino real bell at the intersection of sunset boulevard and caheunga boulevard - ca 1930 http://jpg1.lapl.org/00081/00081885.jpg Source: LAPL |
Lindberghs poor choices and Ann Dvorak
Gaylord...Sad that Lindbergh the hero and his wife backed the Nazis...seems to have been a sizeable following out here and some like-mided radio preachers too. Thanks for the corner, now a wayward photo can finally be fully identified by LAPL. BTW you will have a chance to admire Ann Dvorak on TCM this coming Tuesday 8-9 for 24 hours of Ann starting at 2am. She will be tortured by Axis powers but no Nazis.
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cleats, i wanted to say it's an honor having you join us. i love your book Los Angeles in Maps! very well done! the photograph that i posted from the LAPL photographic collection of the El Camino Real bell at cahuenga and sunset, is listed in the LAPL summary as; The location where this bell marker stands is not known . i figured that the bell was at the intersection of sunset and caheunga due to the directional information on the bell. however, this 1930 photograph , (also fro LAPL), confirms the location..(note the laundry sign) http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics03/00011318.jpg Source: LAPL.....(well duh!) anyway...another unknown location solved. (btw, i live for this) |
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