I'd like to see a few more connections to the street grid with this development. Why no connection to 14th? It would provide another outlet to Clark. The way it is right now, 15th St would be getting slammed with all the traffic that wants to exit into the South Loop, and its not like Roosevelt will be any better since its already a traffic nightmare during rush periods. Wells only works if you want to go north to the Loop or south to Chinatown, neither of those really being an escape from traffic.
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but man being poor in Chicago is great. free/low cost housing, higher probability of access to the top selective enrollment schools for the kids, cheap public transit, lots of public parks, elected officials that pander to you for votes... |
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Just wondering who will ensure that I can afford to live here...anyone, anyone? Pleaase...my life is so miserable in my vintage housing out in the neighborhoods....heeeellppp meeeee |
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Obviously, all the renderings of the buildings and such are conceptual at this point, correct? I mean, I’m sure they have a general idea of a master plan. But hammered out, detailed plans of individual highrises are a ways off, right? I ask because the images posted seemed too avant-garde for Related Midwest. |
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When the masterplan proposal for LSE was first released back in 2001, it was more a conceptual idea than a solid proposal - it was a lovely watercolor depicting the relative massing of the building components without much detail. For the 78 however, perhaps Related is much further along in the process and willing to building a portion of the building shown on spec, rather than waiting to find tenants, at least for the commercial components. That doesn't mean that designs of some of the buildings won't change over the years, but so far, everything looks more realistic than not...at least relative to LSE. |
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Nice aerial view of how the development relates to the rest of the CBD:
http://www.78chicago.com/assets/img/...e-vision-1.jpg http://www.78chicago.com/ |
Whoa, so much to unpack! Seems like a lot of shrewd decisions to provide the needed infrastructure at a reasonable (or at least slightly less astronomical) cost.
Previous plans for the site have been mainly auto-oriented, with transit an afterthought. Those plans included a whole street grid for the site (albeit totally disconnected from the east). This one forgoes the grid for, basically, just two main streets plus a short link at 15th. One of those streets, Wells, will even be constructed entirely by the city, taking it off Related’s project list. I wonder if Related is “finding” money for the Red Line station and the Metra relocation by being super efficient with new streets? I don’t see a potential congestion problem - earlier plans for the site had more mileage of streets total, but still only three access points. This one has four, and seems to suggest that limited parking will be provided. On the rail side, I’ll be interested to see what happens. I’m fairly sure the Red Line tracks are on an incline here, which will make a new station difficult to construct. It also looks like the station box would slot in under some of the DPII townhouses on 15th, so those would have to be purchased and demolished. CTA does have a ventilation structure at 15th/Clark, so maybe that can be repurposed somehow to save a little money. I wonder if Related will seek TIF money or other public funding for the new station. The Metra solution (enclosing the tracks inside the podiums of buildings) is interesting. That way the Metra “tunnel” is paid for one piece at a time, as each building is constructed. At first glance I assumed Metra would never go for that, but they did allow River Point (and the rest of the buildings above Union Station) which was a very similar concept. :shrug: Lastly - I like the Crescent Park idea, although it’s ironic our civic forefathers spent so much time moving the channel precisely to allow for a regular grid of streets to be built here. As a developer, it’s smart... the former channel was filled with terrible material, it is awful to build foundations or even streets upon. I have seen the geotech reports to prove it. With the park concept, they are turning a liability into an asset. |
Wait, I thought Amazon HQ2 is going in here lol!
Looks awesome! It's like new developments in Denmark, Sweden, and Norway. Which is great, the ones there are amazing so hopefully it will be of a similar quality that the renderings show! That's crazy that they are going to have to demo some midrises and buildings along State for the redline stop though. |
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https://i.imgur.com/nv9huyW.png I asked about funding and the official response was encouraging but noncommittal. After the meeting, a Related official I know told me that the picture is probably much more certain than they wanted to say publicly. Related will be putting in place a new TIF (the current one expires at the end of the year). |
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Basically, we'rE creating a new city within an existing working city, complete with infrastructure/trans, new housing, likely some offices, and marketing and financing the whole deal throughout. Same goes for Lincoln Yards. If I am a student in urban planning, this becomes one of my major studies. Frankly, DePaul, et al, should work with Related on creating a curriculum. Wasn't the University of Illinois and DePaul supposed to be involved in some sort of tech incubator on this site? |
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Absolutely love that there will be that kind of height that far south. Dearborn Park is really starting to stand out like an isolated island between the growing skyline around Roosevelt/Michigan and The 78. I really hope its days are now numbered as The 78 begins to take off.
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Was there any discussion of building (or at least saving room for) a future Metra station at 15th? With a new Red Line station at 15th, it seems like a good spot for transferring between the two.
Also, given the insular nature of Dearborn Park, is there any chance that 15th Street will ever become a through street between Wells and State? |
No discussion of a new Metra station. Since it's less than a mile to the line's terminus, I don't think Metra would be very interested. Obviously, you can easily transfer from four L lines already at LaSalle St. Station.
15th isn't blocked by Dearborn Park, which is entirely north of there. It currently has two cul-de-sacs because the owner of one of the adjacent (non-DP) townhouses was Mayor Daley's personal trainer and warned him that allowing any through traffic would be punished by more squat reps. (I wish I was kidding.) |
It is relatively easy to transfer between the Rock Island and the Red Line at 35th St.
Adding the 15th/Clark stop will be very useful for the South Loop overall, namely those that live roughly between 14th and 18th. |
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