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John Maddox Roberts Jan 28, 2016 6:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 7316500)
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-x...2520PM.bmp.jpgLAT Nov 20, 1922


The Charles may be Charles Kuhnen Jr (27 y.o. in 1910) who lived here from 1908--if not earlier. He and his parents were listed at 1314 W 39th St in 1906, when West 36th Place might have been West 39th (there were street-name changes in this period; perhaps it shows up as 39th street on the 1910 Baist, which I don't have access to at the moment). Charles and/or his father developed their own small 5-lot tract on the SW Raymond/36th corner. In the 1923 CD, after the auction in the illustration, Charles Sr was still listed there; Jr was at 1528 W 17th. Two years alter, Sr was next door to his son at 1530 W 17th. Both addresses appear to be gone now...

The house dates from 1907-08, but the dress of these people looks to be from much later; maybe '30s-40s. Only what may be a puffed shoulder on the lady to the left hints at early 20th century.

GaylordWilshire Jan 28, 2016 7:21 PM

:previous:

Well, IMHO, the long skirts on the ladies, as well as the Gibson-girlish hairdo and the shirtwaist on the one at the left don't seem very '30s-'40s...

HossC Jan 28, 2016 8:00 PM

I can't find any previous mentions of the Cooper Building. Julius Shulman photographed it in 1948. This is "Job 241: Stiles Oliver Clements, Cooper Building (Los Angeles, Calif.),1948". The two images in the set are very similar, so I just picked one.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...1.jpg~original

Here's a close-up of the Martin Lee Shoe Company - I'll return to it below.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...2.jpg~original

Getty Research Institute

Mr Shulman took his photo from Santee Street.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...3.jpg~original
GSV

Believe it or not, the Cooper Building looks better from the front. It stands on the corner of Los Angeles and 9th Streets.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...4.jpg~original
GSV

I like the way the name and street number (its address is 860 S Los Angeles Street) repeat across the front, with the section over the door painted white.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...5.jpg~original
GSV

Going back to Santee Street, some of the windows have been filled on the old Martin Lee Shoe Company building, but it's still standing.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...6.jpg~original
GSV

Beaudry Jan 28, 2016 8:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jtown (Post 7315839)
I know this place! Assuming the address is correct, the street behind these two women is Raymond Avenue which runs north and south and T's into 36th Place. That school building pictured here was likely replaced by what would later be my own elementary school, the 37th Street School. It is now called the "Lenicia Weems Elementary School."

The garden upon which the women are standing would later become the property of the Senshin Buddhist Temple. The temple, established in the 1950's continues to be a cultural and religious landmark for the Japanese American community in Los Angeles. This area was once known in the JA community as the Seinan district (translated Westside). It was one of the few places that permitted Japanese to rent or purchase homes post WW2.

On a semi-related note...since you just mentioned the Senshin Temple, and since I just picked this up as part of a large estate of JA wartime/internment/postwar material (e.g., "Nisei Drug" bowling shirts, military uniforms, BSA uniforms from the camp at Poston) I thought I'd toss it in here 'cuz it's not something you see every day—the Senshin baseball uniform:

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1508/...4e245d31_b.jpg

Martin Pal Jan 28, 2016 9:02 PM

:previous:

Beaudry, thanks for posting this baseball uniform, love it!

(I have an idea, but what does YBA stand for?)

And:


Quote:

Originally Posted by Earl Boebert (Post 7316460)
Not a building, but noirish to the max:

http://unframed.lacma.org/2016/01/26...ntic-zoot-suit

Cheers,

Earl

Thanks for posting this article, Earl. I may want to go see this exhibition when it opens!

http://unframed.lacma.org/sites/defa...6-20150310.jpg

FANTASTIC!

ethereal_reality Jan 28, 2016 9:17 PM

Here's another one for our rail-fans. This slide was taken in Los Angeles in 1955!

Aero Train Demonstrator
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...907/lSc3MV.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/itm/EMD-AERO-TRA...8AAOSwPcVVx5zF

The seller didn't include any additional information on this extraordinary train.

in terms of the location: Does anyone recognize the silver tanks in the background?


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Beaudry Jan 28, 2016 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 7316854)
:previous:

Beaudry, thanks for posting this baseball uniform, love it!

(I have an idea, but what does YBA stand for?)

Nowadays YBA means basketball, as basketball has generally eclipsed baseball in all things, but once upon a time it was, though someone should correct me if I'm wrong (sports are not my thing, hence my being on here all the time!) the Youth Baseball Association. I've also seen "Youth Baseball Academy."

However, from what I understand YBA here, given whence the uniform came, actually means the Young Buddhist Association. This information I got from here. Here's a shot I found of a group up in Tacoma:

http://ddr.densho.org/media/ddr-one-...90e5c87e-a.jpg

ethereal_reality Jan 28, 2016 10:09 PM

I couldn't let Tourmaline's terrific photograph pass without pointing out the Manning's Coffee Shop sign again.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...907/UTYdFm.jpg
www.czechrealty.com


As most of you remember, the sign, dating back to 1933, was restored to it's former glory several years ago.

-before
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...912/GP18Og.jpg
[url]http://patch.com/california/highlandpark-ca/gallery-manning-s-coffee-store-sign-shines-again[/url




restoration plans
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...912/Qlvp14.jpg
Richard Ankrom

opal glass?



and today
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/907/5FjSKb.jpg
http://www.marthabenedict.com/signcelebration/


earlier post / includes a noirish image of another Manning's location.
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=9627

Beaudry Jan 28, 2016 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7315102)

originally posted by Flyingwedge
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...912/xArLEz.jpg
Huntington Archives

below: Well this certainly looks like an accident waiting to happen, even the center line swerves a bit. (can you imagine a drunk driver approaching this at night)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...907/PLxILb.jpg
detail

Didn't realize it projected into the roadway to this degree.

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I love beating dead horses, at least when it's lying there on Hope St, so here's another shot, this time a screengrab of the 1951 version of M:
https://farm1.staticflickr.com/570/2...1157709b_b.jpglarger

ethereal_reality Jan 28, 2016 11:08 PM

:previous: Oh, that's great Beaudry. I just watched the 1951 M last week (and took screen-grabs)




unlikely couple



A fifteen-year-old Ray Bradbury with Marlene Dietrich in Los Angeles.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/912/ZIqn1Y.jpg
http://sf.theboard.net/cgi-bin/yabb2...num=1365650953 (sci-fi forum, 13th post down)

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Here's additional information on a different site.
http://io9.gizmodo.com/a-picture-of-...rich-508894153

But it still doesn't give the location (other than Los Angeles). Does anyone recognize the building? -note the barber pole over Ray's right shoulder.
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unihikid Jan 28, 2016 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bristolian (Post 7315724)
Here's a rather noirish looking photograph of the murder scene.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...905/xrZ4Gk.jpg
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/thed...rror/page/601/

:previous: Why the large monument-like street marker? -this looks more like a border marker

E.R.: I grew up in Manhattan beach and these were pretty common at smaller intersections there in the '60s, especially in the tree section. I think the perspective is making this one appear bigger than it actually was. As I remember, they were about three or four feet tall. They're all gone now as far as I know but they were made of reenforced concrete, painted white and had the street names stenciled on them. Pretty crude, come to think of it. They're one of those things you don't think much of at the time but seem kind of fascinating now that they're just a memory.

I've always wondered about these. I have my daily walks down Manhattan Ave and there is a section of it that has these all over. Sorry for the picture quality i was double parked and was running across the street to snap them.

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/m...ps2clqjcks.jpg

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/m...ps6bmruxz4.jpg

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/m...psgqvjjppd.jpg
This one is way up on the hill on the right.

I was driving home and snapped this one, luckily the car coming in the other direction was waiting for a parking spot which gave me time to take this.

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/m...psaggibnyf.jpg

These are all near the Hermosa/Manhattan boarder once you get into MB.
Photos by unihikid

Martin Pal Jan 28, 2016 11:25 PM

Ask the Dust
by John Fante

The hotel was called the Alta Loma. It was built on a hillside in reverse, there on the crest of Bunker Hill, built against
the decline of the hill, so that the main floor was on the level with the street but the tenth floor was downstairs ten levels.
If you had room 862, you got in the elevator and went down eight floors, and if you wanted to go down in the truck room,
you didn't go down but up to the attic, one floor above the main floor.


http://www.electricearl.com/labh/AltaVista.jpg

Ah, that first day! Mrs. Hargraves opened my door to my room... [...] The room was down on the sixth floor, room 678, up near the front of the hill, so that my window was on the level of the green hillside
and there was no need for a key, for the window was always open. Through that window I saw my first palm tree, not six feet away, [...] but the palm tree was blackish at its branches, stained by carbon
monoxide coming out of the Third Street Tunnel, its crusted trunk choked with dust and sand that blew in from the Mojave and Santa Ana deserts.


https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1711/...71e55bd2_h.jpg

One night I was sitting on the bed in my hotel room on Bunker Hill, down in the very middle of Los Angeles. It was an important night in my life, because I had to make a decision about the hotel.
Either I paid up or I got out: that was what the note said, the note the landlady had put under my door. A great problem, deserving acute attention. I solved it by turning out the lights and going to bed.



http://otters.net/img/lapast/bunkerh...rama_c1939.jpg


Los Angeles, give me some of you! Los Angeles come to me the way I came to you, my feet over your streets, you pretty town I loved you so much, you sad flower in the sand, you pretty town.

Martin Pal Jan 28, 2016 11:26 PM

The above post :previous: was inspired by Beaudry:
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=33344

Alester Young:
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=33354

Text from Chapter 1 of John Fante's novel Ask the Dust.
(Note: He calls the hotel Alta Loma, instead of Alta Vista, in the book.)
By the way, when he writes, "if you wanted to go down to the truck room,"
does anyone know what a "truck room" is?

And these links...
Photo #1 from:
http://www.electricearl.com/labh/AltaVista.html
Photo #2:
Nadel, CRA/slums/1955Sept30/255SBHA
Photo #3:
http://losangelespast.blogspot.com/2...-then-now.html

HossC Jan 28, 2016 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 7316942)

opal glass?

Opal glass is semi-translucent white glass used in illuminated signs. It allows most of the light through, but diffuses it in a way that clear glass doesn't. Modern signs would normally use opal plastic instead of opal glass.

John Maddox Roberts Jan 29, 2016 12:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 7317050)
The above post :previous: was inspired by Beaudry:
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=33344

Alester Young:
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=33354

Text from Chapter 1 of John Fante's novel Ask the Dust.
(Note: He calls the hotel Alta Loma, instead of Alta Vista, in the book.)
By the way, when he writes, "if you wanted to go down to the truck room,"
does anyone know what a "truck room" is?

And these links...
Photo #1 from:
http://www.electricearl.com/labh/AltaVista.html
Photo #2:
Nadel, CRA/slums/1955Sept30/255SBHA
Photo #3:
http://losangelespast.blogspot.com/2...-then-now.html

"Truck"used to mean "stuff." Maybe it was a storage room where residents had individual enclosures for their belongings.

Martin Pal Jan 29, 2016 12:49 AM

:previous:

Thank you, that makes sense!

Flyingwedge Jan 29, 2016 1:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 7316095)
LAPL date their shot as circa 1890. Here's part of an 1894 map which Diamond-X linked to recently. The only possible structure I can see is the one I've arrowed at the corner of Third and Beaudry. There's nothing at that location on the 1910 Baist map, and the nearby Magalia Apartments at 1010 W 3rd Street don't appear in the CDs until 1910. The "street above the mystery structure" could be Crown Hill Avenue, now part of W 3rd Street.
For reference: Bunker Hill Avenue is in the middle of the right-hand side, and #24 in the center is the Fremont Avenue School.

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...4.jpg~original
Detail of map at Library of Congress

Thanks, Hoss. I bet you're right.

ethereal_reality Jan 29, 2016 1:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 7317093)
Opal glass is semi-translucent white glass used in illuminated signs. It allows most of the light through, but diffuses it in a way that clear glass doesn't. Modern signs would normally use opal plastic instead of opal glass.

:previous: Thanks Hoss.

Here are examples of opal glass signs in Los Angeles that I found at http://www.roadarch.com/sca/opal.html


The first two are blade signs.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/907/jktDcA.jpghttp://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/xq90/905/Li2jf3.jpg
http://www.roadarch.com/sca/opal.html




below: Belasco Theater (note the interchangeable opal letters) -for movie titles no doubt.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/102...911/h2oPM0.jpg
http://www.roadarch.com/sca/opal.html





And the last example is the previously mentioned Manning's Coffee sign.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/128...905/0hp9mR.jpg
http://www.roadarch.com/sca/opal.html


"At one time there were 19 Manning's Coffee Shops in Los Angeles. This sign was originally installed in Hollywood; it was moved to the Highland Park location in 1936. After the coffee shop closed in the 1950s, the sign fell into disrepair. The opal glass letters were stolen in the 1990s but were later recovered. In 2012, the sign was meticulously restored and re-lit with funding from the National Trust and National Park Service Route 66 Corridor Corridor Preservation Program."
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Special Thanks to Debra Jane Seltzer at Roadside Architecture http://www.roadarch.com/sca/opal.html

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ethereal_reality Jan 29, 2016 2:23 AM

originally posted by unhikid
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800...907/BcxoH2.jpg

Thanks for the photographs of the street markers unhikid. I had no idea there were so many of them still standing.
I wonder how many times that one:previous: has been hit.
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Noircitydame Jan 29, 2016 3:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 7316686)
I can't find any previous mentions of the Cooper Building. Julius Shulman photographed it in 1948. This is "Job 241: Stiles Oliver Clements, Cooper Building (Los Angeles, Calif.),1948". The two images in the set are very similar, so I just picked one.

Milton G. Cooper Dry Goods Co. (Curlett & Beelman) Opened August 1924

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k...1-24cooper.jpg 8-21-1924 lat

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k...oper%20csl.jpg CSL

The Cooper Building in the form of a cake, celebrating the 18th anniversary of the Beautee-fit Bra Co. c. 1945

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/k...e/00003029.jpg LAPL

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1574/...a484b743_z.jpg3-21-55 by Noircitydame Beautee-fit Bra ad, 3-21-1955 lat


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