https://www.wsj.com/articles/silicon...d=hp_lead_pos2

Turns out working from home or in some other place won't be all gravy.

Ridiculous nanny state overreach.

As far as I can tell there is no life in my city. I’m on the lookout for new speakeasies.

^^^
You say..."a year of life in one's 20s, 30s or 40s is worth more than one in their 80s". I'd take one Einstein or Mandela over a thousand ignorant and self absorbed 20 somethings. Life is precious for all, including those in their last years, and wisdom does come with age and experience. You would condemn your parents and grandparents to sickness and possible death? Don't you know that the key to opening up the economy (until vaccines and widely available therapeutics are available) is stamping out the virus by social distancing, masks and contact tracing? It has worked where it has been tried. New Zealand is now practically virus free. The economy will be depressed as long as the virus is spreading like a wild fire. And by the way, some under 40s ARE at risk from the virus. Plenty have been sickened and some have died. The long term effects of this disease are still unknown. Letting the virus run wild in a misguided attempt to get "herd immunity" would be a disaster for people and the economy.

We are all in this together, young and old. If this disease mainly attacked the young, as the 1918 "Spanish" flu apparently did, I would be in favor of all measures to contain it. Saying the lives of some are worth more than others, as you appear to do, is a path to be avoided.

I disagree with pretty much all of this.

I’m not making a judgement between an Einstein and a regular Joe, which is a completely different debate about whether exceptional people’s lives are worth more than average (or below average) ones.

That regular Joe’s 30s are still worth more than his 80s. This isn’t even that controversial - an actuary or Britain’s own National Health Service would implicitly say the same thing when they ascribe a monetary value to a life.

Beyond simple enjoyment and realisation of potential (harmed significantly by Covid interrupting the educations, careers and social development of younger people), old people are generally retired, and so their activity has less importance for the economy. They tend to live in larger homes, and so can more easily cope with “stay at home” orders. They are more likely to be homebodies anyway, frankly. And they are the ones at risk.

The measures you mention have NOT worked where they have been tried - countries in Europe that had incredibly strict lockdowns in the spring are currently in a second wave. Sweden pursued “herd immunity” (while advising the elderly and vulnerable to protect themselves, which they did) and is not suffering from a second wave today. Their approach has been validated. New Zealand is a special case and is likely to have huge outbreaks whenever they open their borders again to foreign travel. And you place far too much faith in a vaccine.

They should not be ruining 2 years of everyone’s life in order to save mostly people in nursing homes with in most cases not much more than that left. The average age of people dying from Covid is greater than average life expectancy!

Here in Canada we already had outbreaks in something like 1/3 of all old folks' homes during the lockdown back around May.

I'd guess that outcomes in those places depend a lot more on the standard of care they provide than the overall prevalence in the population. This follows from the fact that the severity of an outbreak depends on transmission inside the home. There are known cases of care homes where workers tested positive and 0 residents got sick, then other cases where residents kept getting sick for many weeks. Whether the community prevalence is 0.1% or 10% the care homes need to keep the workers and residents from giving covid to each other if they're going to avoid deaths. Community-wide measures seem like a really inefficient way to reduce spread inside care homes.

great to see one of the nicest grocery store settings back up and running -- heinen's in downtown cleveland. :tup:


https://live.staticflickr.com/1752/4...2e2e5655_b.jpg

becuase opening and closing for 2wks when rates get too high in certain neighborhoods and wearing a mask and washing your hands is ruining everyones life. :rolleyes:

DAMN!

now that's a classy way to get your milk and eggs!



reminds a little bit of this walgreens in chicago's wicker park.

it's obviously a contemporary build-out of an old bank building:

https://www.airbnb.com/google_place_...lace_id=220819
source: https://www.airbnb.com/things-to-do/...nited%20States


they even saved and re-purposed the old bank vault down in the basement, a fun detail:

https://patch.com/img/cdn/users/3768....jpg?width=695
source: https://patch.com/illinois/bucktown-...min-vault-cafe

^ yep reused banks are a thing -- the cle heinens was closed during covid and it i think it got some george floyd riot damage. it's back!

ps -- i have three old banks on our intersection. one is a drug store, one a museum and one is ... a bank! :haha:

both those places are sick!

It’s more that closing for two weeks is pointless.

And no one is complaining about washing their hands. I did that a lot before all this, maybe that’s why I haven’t had it. And I wear a mask when I have to.

It’s the business closures and social distancing that ruin normal life.

except the businesses are not closed, they are paused for 2wks to get a handle on super spreader events caused by your ilk only wearing a mask when you have to. :rolleyes:

besides, many people have a job where you can work remotely now, at least for a time, so its no effect at all on some, everyone is used to it now (ie., schools).

and as for social distancing ruining your life? maybe for you, but no doubt if you do it its saving somebody elses from health problems.

This kind of sentiment is pretty dismissive of the massive number of people who live paycheck to paycheck working in the service industry. I find that those who make these public policy decisions and others who make a living behind a computer screen have tended to very quickly switch to promoting the "no one can ever get sick again" mentality. It's much easier to casually dismiss just two weeks of shutting down while sitting in a position of relative economic security.

It is well documented that the virus is airborne, and most person-to-person transmission occurs through the air. It's like you haven't read a single thing about what has been learned about the virus's transmission in 8 months, but keep derailing the thread with your Trumpian theories.

N.J. reports 993 new COVID-19 cases, 7 more deaths. Hospitalizations above 600 for 7th day.

Pa. and N.J. are among the states trying to stave off a second coronavirus wave

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1. https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2020/...r-7th-day.html
2. https://www.inquirer.com/news/corona...-20201012.html

People with a conscience do not look at the aged as depreciating assets. I agree that lockdowns should be scaled back and people should be allowed to use their best judgement (within reason) but this cavalier disregard for a huge subset of the population are why have lockdowns and restrictions.

The NHS has to make these shitty distinctions because it's a nationalized healthcare system and thus prioritize finite financial resources.

Some of the countries that have almost contained their outbreaks because of good public health practices (masks, social distancing, contact tracing): Singapore, New Zealand, Greece, S. Korea, Uruguay. There are others. Now these countries can open up with caution and can get "herd immunity" from a vaccine that should be available next year rather than people getting sick from the virus. If the U.S. had stuck with correct public health practices the economy would be open and much better off now and people would be going back to work. In New Zealand life is back to normal and viral rates are so low that they don't need to wear masks. The U.S. should have followed these examples of correct public health measures. We would be OK by now and the number of deaths would have been much lower. Needless deaths. When you can't go to work it is because we didn't listen to the scientific experts. Public health became a political football.

I'm immune compromised (found that out late last year just before COVID-19) so I'm very anxious and careful when going out these days which isn't often. Masks on, hands washed.

Movie theatres used to be a 2-3 times a week activity for me, now even though it's open I don't visit. Instead I bought myself a full HD projector and a 100 inch screen.

Most people where I live currently don't take it seriously and don't wear masks or wash their hands so naturally these places have lost my business forever including the grocery store where I was attacked on July 10 for wearing a mask...