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A nice fantasy but it will never actually fly. And let's not forget that the reason the Geary corridor gets ignored is that there's no consensus among residents and businesses along Geary in favor of rail transit, especially underground rail transit.
Personally, only one thing about the idea excites me: the potential to bring long distance rail to points other than SoCal into downtown SF. Otherwise, I don't see it as better or more likely to happen than a BART or Muni Metro extension out Geary. |
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:previous: If the Richmond movers and shakers had demanded a subway line in unison like Chinatown did, there would have been "an actual proposal" long ago. Nobody gets anything in SF without neighborhood consensus and there is none in the Richmond.
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I suppose. I'm not aware of Chinatown pushing "in unison" for a subway until it was an actual proposal from Willie Brown (prop K in 2003 and prop B funding prior to that), but perhaps I'm wrong. As I'm sure you know, many of the details of the plan were ironed out after it was determined that the Embarcadero Freeway would be torn down as a "consolation prize" - and Chinatown was VERY torn on what to do before that, with most (but not all) merchants VERY opposed to a subway and VERY supportive of rebuilding the freeway. What Geary needs is leadership from politicians (either a mayor or a few supervisors), not some vague agreement amongst merchants on only one portion of the street (Richmond merchants and residents have different goals/desires than Japantown, Fillmore, Cathedral Hill, etc, etc merchants and residents).
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really, be it standard gauge heavy rail or bart, the geary corridor needs underground rail, period. i dont think even muni will cut it (with its slower speeds and small trains). gordo, u say there was a proposition in 1933 to bring rail to geary. 80 years ago?!?!? man, thats depressing. |
What are we talking about here? EMUs in a subway, like a regional rail system?
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How is that different than BART as it currently exists? I mean, BART has wider gauge and fully-automated operation, but those don't add cost (automation has capital cost for signal systems and programming, but saves cost in the long run, since you're not paying for a skilled motorman).
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As for Geary, what the merchants don't like is the loss of PARKING. And they'd just love the idea of potential customers whizzing by their locations out of sight underground I'm sure. A Geary line (leading to a Golden Gate crossing to Marin) was part of the original BART plan but got canned when Marin voted not to participate (i.e. tax itself) in BART. The Richmond doesn't have the clout of Chinatown because they aren't organized as well and, as I said, they rarely speak with a unified voice. But, if they could find such a voice they could potentially have as much clout as Chinatown and quite possibly more--they have the population of regular voters and the economic resources. Much of Chinatown is poor with the exception of a few wealthy "community leaders" but the Richmond is decidedly middle class, even affluent (it's where many Asian immigrants move from Chinatown to when they make some money after all). |
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i dream of a second golden gate crossing (an floating underwater tunnel maybe) to connect smart to the transbay terminal basically along the old proposed bart right of way along geary. smart could then use emus (or if doesnt want to electrify the entire line - hybrids - yes, they do exist and will probably be used for caltrain as the section to salinas wont be electrified), and hsr could continue to the north bay. now unfortunately, THAT will never happen. |
^^ A floating underwater tunnel? So something that doesn't rest on the ground, but instead is somewhere in the middle between the surface and ocean floor? Doesn't sound very safe to me. Even if it's low enough to avoid large ships, whales also enter San Francisco Bay from time to time. What happens if one of them hits the floating tunnel? I wouldn't want to be on a train going through that tunnel at that time.
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but it is theoretically possible to do and several proposals have been put forward. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submerged_floating_tunnel |
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Central Subway Gets Green Light
In today's Chronicle:
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Cool renderings of the Central Subway from the SFMTA, with more coverage at sfstreetsblog. I highly recommend following both links, especially the interactive MTA ones.
The Central Subway http://www.sfmta.com/cms/mcsp/images...ailed_full.gif Initial operating segment: this is where the new rail segment begins. If the aerial photo were a clock, at about five o'clock you've got the T Third light rail station, seven o'clock is the N Judah light rail station, and from about eight to eleven is the Caltrain commuter rail terminal: http://www.sfmta.com/cms/mcsp/images...ll_initial.gif Fourth/Brannan Station: http://www.sfmta.com/cms/mcsp/images...ll_brannan.gif Street-running segment: http://www.sfmta.com/cms/mcsp/images...ll_surface.gif The train goes underground underneath the elevated 80 freeway leading to the Bay Bridge. http://www.sfmta.com/cms/mcsp/images...ull_tunnel.gif Moscone Station: http://www.sfmta.com/cms/mcsp/images/moscone.gif Union Square/Market Street Station: http://sf.streetsblog.org/wp-content...nionsquare.gif Chinatown Station: http://www.sfmta.com/cms/mcsp/images/chinatown.gif |
If they are going to dig a tunnel that far and excavate a hole to extract the TBM why aren't they putting a station in North Beach? It could be an open-air one at the portal and have emergency tail tracks running up the street a short distance
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