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NYguy Nov 28, 2016 7:37 PM

About 18 minutes in, Ross gets into it...


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NYguy Dec 1, 2016 4:16 AM

joevare

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artspook Dec 1, 2016 1:20 PM

never met an architectural model I didn't love . .
even the Ingles models of 2 WTC look great . . but only as models . .
so too does the model of "the Vessel" pictured above . .
it's fascinating as a small sculpture . .
and it probably would be exciting full scale, in most other locations . .
but I'm not sure that's the case here . .

Hudson Yards is already getting to be an alienating neighborhood . .
. . with all that biggness everywhere . . all covered in silver glass . .
Will this spiral vessel . . in proximity to "the Spiral" Ingles' building . .
send HY spiraling into the twilight zone . .

The other day after touring HY construction . .
I found myself walking down an avenue canyon in the west 30s . . B'way, I think . .
in the monotonous Garment District . . a stretch of the city I used to hate . .
It's an ugly endless progression of massive masonry factory buildings . .
it could use a glass building or two there . . to break up the sameness . .

but after the mirrored corridors of Hudson Yards, . .
with silvery-blue 10 HY & 30 HY, reflecting 3 manhattan West . .
with its slick glass reflecting everything else . . more such glass at 5 MW . .
it's disorienting corners . . mirroring into each other ad infinitum . .
then envisioning all the proposals in the HY pipeline . . with lots more sterility
coming very soon into this environment . . OMG . . it was truly a relief
to experience the ugly Garment-District canyon . .
with it's cozy warmth of earthy masonry materials . .

So, in this relentlessly brand-spanking-new neighborhood . .
you'll get these intriguing, but daunting stairs, going every which way, . .
in a harsh, visually confusing, Esher-esque geometry . .
Doesn't this uninviting, uncomfortable human-hamster maze . .
seem sort of "fun-house horror-movie-ish" ? . .
not cozy, not serene, not tranquil, not sublime, . .
Please God, just send us an unpretentious little brick church here . .
or an old tenement building with a decorative cornice and a rusted fire escape . .

So my point about the Vessel is . .
relationships of scale & location make all the difference . .
in its large actual-size scale . . with it's harsh windswept vibe . .
it sort of wont attract the everyday passerby to get in there and party . .
Well, certain people, in a vivacious mood, will surely dig it . .
But overall, for the average bloke shopping or coming from work ? . .
or his grandma, it's not gonna be happenin' . .
but hey, it's better than the Eiffel Tower . .

mrnyc Dec 3, 2016 3:44 PM

honestly as far as corporate arts goes i am more excited for the 56 leonard bean than this. i hope that does not get value engineered out down there. that will look great for everybody walking by. this vessel business is kind of an eyesore. it will be active and fun though for sure, so i'm just nitpicking the sterility of it a bit. i certainly have no idea or imagination for what could have been better.

Bertrice Dec 3, 2016 3:51 PM

It's like Chutes and Ladders without the chutes

mrnyc Dec 4, 2016 9:17 PM

^ haha yeah.

since an observation type experience is what seems to be desired, maybe they should have just gone all out for a tokyo skytree? :shrug:

NYguy Dec 7, 2016 5:53 AM

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Originally Posted by artspook (Post 7638613)
never met an architectural model I didn't love . .
even the Ingles models of 2 WTC look great . . but only as models . .
so too does the model of "the Vessel" pictured above . .
it's fascinating as a small sculpture . .
and it probably would be exciting full scale, in most other locations . .
but I'm not sure that's the case here . .


You'll just have to wait until it's built. It's what's called a "participatory" sculpture. It's not merely there for you to look at. Just as people love to walk accross the Brooklyn Bridge, or down the High Line, this too will swarm with crowds. If you don't get it, that's fine, no one has to and not everyone will. But there will be more than enough people swarming around and through this thing.

As far as the Tokyo Skytree, why on earth would they build such a thing here in the plaza, especially considering they have an observation deck towering above???

mrnyc Dec 7, 2016 11:23 AM

^ obviously a skytree would be in place of an obs deck on a bldg.

the exercise being, if not a vessel, then what? just don't say a big water fountain. ha.

eastidaho Dec 9, 2016 1:41 AM

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Originally Posted by NYguy (Post 7644128)
You'll just have to wait until it's built. It's what's called a "participatory" sculpture. It's not merely there for you to look at. Just as people love to walk accross the Brooklyn Bridge, or down the High Line, this too will swarm with crowds. If you don't get it, that's fine, no one has to and not everyone will. But there will be more than enough people swarming around and through this thing.

I agree. When I return to NYC it will probably be with my kiddos. The list of things to do is a mile long. Walking the Brooklyn Bridge and the High Line will be much higher on the priority list than this hive. However, there are a number of people that have experienced the regulars more than enough times and would like to see and do something new. Time will tell if this is a popular place at first then fades over time or if it has staying power.

artspook Dec 9, 2016 5:24 AM

Just as people love to walk accross the Brooklyn Bridge,
or down the High Line, this too will swarm with crowds. - NYguy

You're right about we'll "just have to wait until it's built" . .
I just don't see it swarming year around, especially after 6 mo. . .
but I wouldn't mind being wrong . .

streetscaper Jan 13, 2017 4:11 AM

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PeterQM Jan 13, 2017 3:24 PM

Pieces of Thomas Heatherwick's 'Vessel' Arrive at Hudson Yards
January 12, 2017
Quote:

It’s not every day that a New York City developer commits millions of dollars, a noble civic gesture, to personally fund a public landmark. But Stephen Ross, chairman of Related Companies, is doing just that along Manhattan’s west side. The billionaire developer and Miami Dolphins-owner is constructing a $150 million, 200-foot tall public structure in collaboration with London-bound designer, Thomas Heatherwick. The “365-day Christmas tree,” as Ross describes it, will anchor the eastern half of their Hudson Yards Master Plan that Related is jointly developing with Oxford Property Group.
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More PHOTOS, RENDERINGS and intro VIDEO in the post here.

mrnyc Jan 13, 2017 5:49 PM

excuse me, can you help us find the nuclear wessel?


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scalziand Jan 13, 2017 6:15 PM

Oh snap, didn't expect to see it show up already.

Austin55 Jan 14, 2017 10:57 PM

This thing is going to be amazing.

NYguy Jan 17, 2017 8:58 PM

This was filed in conjunction with 35 Hudson Yards...


http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/Jo...ssdocnumber=01

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FILING HEREWITH FOR CONSTRUCTION AERIAL WALKWAY VIEWING PLATFORM.

THIS WORK IS LOCATED IN TAX LOT 175. WORK IS FILED UNDER TAX LOT 150 SINCE TAX LOT 175 IS NOT YET REFLECTED IN THE BIS SYSTEM.



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NYguy Jan 23, 2017 6:35 PM

Steven J. Messina

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jayden Jan 24, 2017 4:38 PM

Will this be wheelchair accessible/handicap friendly?

streetscaper Jan 24, 2017 10:57 PM

It will have an elevator, so yes

artspook Jan 29, 2017 2:05 AM

oh boy ! . . this is gonna be so much fun ! . .
I cant wait ! . . I cant wait ! . . Go over here ! . .
Go over there ! . . Look mom ! . . Look Dad ! . .
Huh ? . . Why does everybody feel sick ? . .
Let's get the hell out of this thing . .
all this relentless vomitous symmetry . .
it's eating our souls alive . .
after only 20 MINUTES . .


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