I can claim no detailed information on this project of course but I walked into downtown early this morning and simply visualized it. if this tower is around 750' it would stick out from almost any direction; it would be the tallest condo tower in the city and it would be close to the height of Mellon Tower.
No matter the height the tower will stand out really nice and if its say 750' when you come over the South Street Bridge it will appear a good deal taller than that. I'm very excited to see how this will play out as well as wondering if Philadelphia will even begin condo towers of a good height in other parts of downtown away from Rittenhouse Square? |
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Do we know if this will be a condo building and not just more apartments? Condo units generally have more sq.footage per unit than apartments and so the unit count goes down, not up like this did a couple of weeks ago. Of course the building could have both types of units.
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I was going to wait for a confirmation of some kind.
But here it is at 777" It's almost freakish that thin Which makes me a little skeptical "Billionaires Row" https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...1e789eae_b.jpgRittenhouse Square -777' -6-23-21 https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...aa390b4d_b.jpgRittenhouse Square -777' -6-23-21 b https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...6d6af62f_b.jpgRittenhouse Square -777' -6-23-21 c https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...3150581a_b.jpgRittenhouse Square -777' -6-23-21 d |
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I like it, I hope they do it. This is no Philly Special, for sure. |
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I do agree that it seems unlikely. But unless there was some sort of error with the new reported square footage of this project, what else could be the result? There is virtually zero wiggle room on this site for increased square footage to translate into anything besides increased height. No where for it to go except up. |
My only skepticism is that, if I'm not mistaken, Pearl Properties tallest building from ground up to date is The Harper at 272 feet. So now they will be taking things waaaay higher, at least to 567 feet (or taller as you all are speculating)-- very bold. Cautiously optimistic here.
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Is there any possibility that the increased square footage now includes the retail spaces where tobox and hats in the belfry were on Chestnut? I'm fairly certain they were part of the parcel, but I don't recall seeing them reflected on the renderings.
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ZONING PLAN (L&I PERMIT PRE-REQUISITE) Dwelling Units (Each): 215 vs. 183 Building GFA (Square Feet): 353,226 vs.257,694 Commercial Area (Square Feet): 30,180 vs. 20,201 Property Frontage (Linear Feet): 300 CDR Required (PCC 14-304(5)): Yes so it's only 10,000 sf more, and already included in the calculation. |
I am cautiously optimistic; from an engineering standpoint its possible and if such a building is built here it would give downtown a very nice feel; only a few feet shorter than Mellon Tower.
A tower in this location at 777' will make the Bell Atlantic Tower, Mellon Tower FMC and even Liberty 2 Tower look almost typical for downtown in terms of height; just think FMC is 730' Mellon Tower is about 790' Bell Atlantic Tower I think is about 740' or close to it so you have a very cosmopolitan feel and for this reason and more I hope it gets done. If a tower at 777' is built in this location it can make Rittenhouse Square feel more exclusive an it would create an overall trend upward for the city in general because I'm thinking here about this; as a skyscraper enthusiast if this is built then for condos and offices to have an iconic buildings status in or near the Business District would require the same, near or equal to that height or taller in order to standout in that location. I would also require something not as tall but in a range of 400-700' in another location downtown and this could spread out the skyline even further for other skyscrapers to be built and add more bulk to the skyline over all so this tower at 777' overall could add upward momentum. I hope it gets done. But of course this is only if this project reaches 777' |
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So if this project included the Hats in the Belfry building, it would create a weird footprint where this project would surround the CVS on the corner. I don't think adding that property would give them any real space to actually add to the footprint of the tower, even if it was included. And this can't just be added ground floor retail. The discrepancy we're talking about here is 100,000 square feet. This whole block is probably less than 100,000 square feet, so adding a building here or there to the footprint just isn't getting you close. If the square footage numbers are accurate then I think we're definitely getting a 750+ foot tower. I don't see any other way that amount of space is incorporated into this project. It wouldn't be the first time numbers like this were simply inaccurate though. |
Sorry if this has been addressed, but I'm a little confused regarding parcel ownership. According to Atlas:
[RED] 113-119 19th St. are owned by "113-119 LIMITED PARTNERSHIP" - Tower [BLUE] 121 19th St. as well as 1821 and 1823 Sansom are owned by "19TH & SANSOM CORP." - - 121 19th St. (corner building) - largely untouched, tower balconies above - 1823 Sansom - actual parcel address 1824 Chestnut - (Cavanaugh's) - 1 story loading bay and small portion of tower - 1821 Sansom - actual parcel address 1822 Chestnut - (Kim's Cleaners) - not part of original plan? Are 113-119 LIMITED PARTNERSHIP and 19TH & SANSOM CORP. essentially a single entity at this point? The bulk of the building is obviously going on the 113-119 owned land. Perhaps someone here with experience in these matters could help to clarify. The previous plan from the CDR last Sept. did not include parking and did not include the Kim's Cleaners site at all. There is also room on the Cavanaugh's site to widen the tower. It seems possible that this will be expanding East rather than up. I don't see any way to fit parking without the Kim's site. And as noted, these parcels stretch all the way to Chestnut. (Sorry for the huge image, but the large size is needed to read the print.) https://i.imgur.com/ewk3z6D.png |
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Very exciting project either way though! |
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