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Mr Downtown Jun 24, 2008 5:46 PM

Well, MegaBus is $1.50 if you book in advance.

VivaLFuego Jun 24, 2008 6:37 PM

Amtrak's 7 roundtrips per day to Milwaukee aren't enough?

Speaking of, Crain's is reporting 24% year-over-year ridership increases on Hiawatha.

ardecila Jun 25, 2008 5:04 AM

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Originally Posted by brian_b (Post 3632398)
I would imagine the rail connection would be very advantageous to General Mitchell International Airport. That is, if this extension was planned to connect it (does anyone know?). Being connected to downtown Milwaukee and downtown Chicago on a rail line that runs more often than Amtrak is a clear benefit.

Hiawatha already has a station at Mitchell Airport - a bus shuttle connects the station to the terminal.

Ostensibly, if KRM is built, another shuttle will connect the terminal to the new station in Cudahy.

Nowhereman1280 Jun 25, 2008 5:16 AM

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Originally Posted by VivaLFuego (Post 3632905)
Speaking of, Crain's is reporting 24% year-over-year ridership increases on Hiawatha.

I've seen several trains during the rush hour that were standing room only over the past 6 months... Sucks to be stuck standing for 1.5 hours...

How sure of a thing is that Oakton Yellow Line stop?

ardecila Jun 25, 2008 6:41 AM

A civil engineer for the Village of Skokie assures me that the Oakton Station project is still active. All necessary land has been acquired and funding has been set aside.

It's in the design phase right now, as architects and engineers work with the various demands of CTA, the Village of Skokie, and ComEd (which owns high-tension lines along the tracks). The design should be complete within the next 2-3 months, and then bids will be solicited from contractors. Keep an eye out on Bidclerk.

Based on the size of the project and likely scope of the project, construction should take 6 -9 months. I'm expecting a small "island" station like the new ground-level ones on the Brown and Pink Lines.

Haworthia Jun 25, 2008 3:45 PM

I'm very excited about this Oakton Station. It's three blocks from my sister's place which means I could now get there now without driving.

So, where will the funding come from for this station? Is this state or federal money or out of the capital budget of the CTA?

VivaLFuego Jun 25, 2008 4:20 PM

To my knowledge, Oakton will be dual side platforms, initially for 4 car trains but extendable at a future date to berth 8 car trains. It's possible it could be an island platform, I think there is room for it but I remember seeing preliminary plans with side platforms. The platform(s) will be on the north side of Oakton. Construction funding is coming from (someone correct me if I'm wrong) the Federal government with Skokie paying the 20% local match.

orulz Jun 26, 2008 4:40 PM

Speaking of the yellow line. Are there, or have there ever been, any plans to run it as a simple extension of the red line? I don't think I've read anything about it, but I've always kind of thought that's what the 3rd rail conversion was all about.

Mr Downtown Jun 26, 2008 4:57 PM

That's sort of how the Niles Center extension was run in the 30s and 40s, but it wouldn't make a lot of sense now to run eight-car trains all the way to Dempster and back.

pyropius Jun 26, 2008 5:12 PM

It would make more sense to run the red line to Linden.

VivaLFuego Jun 26, 2008 6:10 PM

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Originally Posted by orulz (Post 3637182)
Speaking of the yellow line. Are there, or have there ever been, any plans to run it as a simple extension of the red line? I don't think I've read anything about it, but I've always kind of thought that's what the 3rd rail conversion was all about.

Dempster (and eventually Oakton) both have short platforms (max 4-car platforms, though expandable to 8), commensurate with the relatively light loading along the Skokie branch. As pointed out, from an equipment utilization standpoint it wouldn't make a great deal of sense at this point.

The third rail conversion was mostly just to (1) eliminate the last catenary in the system, which is less reliable than third rail and susceptible to getting damaged in storms, (2) eliminate the requirement to maintain cars in the fleet with pantographs to run on that small portion. A minor benefit (3) was that a slow zone for the crossing point between third rail and overhead power could be removed (either 25->55 or 35->55, but really not a huge deal in the scheme of things).

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Originally Posted by pyropius (Post 3637273)
It would make more sense to run the red line to Linden.

Purple Line platforms are only 6-cars in length, so it becomes logistically difficult for how you deal with the fleet. Running the Purple Express all day is probably more plausible operationally than extending Red to Linden.

Mr Downtown Jun 26, 2008 6:14 PM

Makes sense if you only look at a map, but not if you look at ridership. Until fairly recently, Evanston was handled at off hours by single cars (Cars 1-50) where you paid the motorman as you entered--essentially just streetcars up on the elevated tracks.

emathias Jun 26, 2008 7:21 PM

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Originally Posted by VivaLFuego (Post 3637421)
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Purple Line platforms are only 6-cars in length, so it becomes logistically difficult for how you deal with the fleet. Running the Purple Express all day is probably more plausible operationally than extending Red to Linden.

If train operations were selected by democracy, I'd vote for this. I kinda wish they'd consider it, and add Loyola and Wilson. They could more than make up the extra time spent at Loyola and Wilson by skipping Wellington, Diversey and Armitage (with good switching, I think you could run the Purple Line on the Red Line tracks between Belmont and the L/subway split). Then you'd have a real express train for the whole North Side instead of just a fast commuter shuttle between Evanston and the Near North.

nomarandlee Jun 27, 2008 6:23 AM

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http://www.chicagotribune.com/travel...,7567939.story

U.S. panel hears local officials' concerns about Canadian National rail plan
Proposed merger could quadruple freight-train traffic in collar county communities

By Gary Gibula | Special to the Chicago Tribune
June 27, 2008

Federal Surface Transportation Board officials toured Chicago suburbs this week to gauge how people and services could be disrupted by Canadian National Railway's plan to buy 198 miles of area track, a move expected to quadruple freight traffic.

The STB officials also met in McCormick Place in Chicago on Wednesday to outline the approval process and hear testimony from mayors and representatives from dozens of suburbs, Metra, the DuPage Mayors and Managers Conference and other entities.

"They basically told us . . . what we had to look forward to," said West Chicago Mayor Mike Kwasman, who attended the meeting "The group didn't seem to care so much about transportation as they did about the human environment in terms of the health, safety and welfare of people."

Kwasman predicted Thursday that initially rail traffic would ease for Chicago and its closest neighbors..............
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pyropius Jun 27, 2008 4:12 PM

When I change to the Purple from the Red on weekdays from around noon to three p.m., the platform at Howard can be pretty crowded with people making the same transfer. I don't have the ridership figures (and I doubt they exist for exits), but it seems to me that the number of passengers riding the Red Line north at that time of day with Davis as their final destination is higher than that of those bound for Morse or Jarvis. I agree though that it makes more sense for the Purple Line to be an all-day express with one or two more intermediate stops than to extend the Red Line to Linden.

MayorOfChicago Jun 27, 2008 7:19 PM

Or at least run loop trains once every 30 minutes between 1030 and 330 (or whatever it is). Just do every 3rd train or something. That doesn't seem like that big of a deal, and it will give people an awesome option of timing their activities and making the quick trip downtown at the top and bottom of the hour from Howard.

Eventually...Chicago Jun 28, 2008 2:15 PM

Yeah, that purple line express is awesome and it gives a great option for people coming from the north shore/north suburbs.

Whenever my parents come in to the city (because they live on the North Central Line) they have no choice on the weekends but to drive in. Metra's schedules are too rigid and the cta ride from linden to the south loop without express is unbearable. Being able to go to linden and then express it in to the loop would be great. Hopefully after all the station work on the brown line is complete and we're back to 4 tracks they'll consider this.

Busy Bee Jun 28, 2008 5:44 PM

"Evanston Express", "Skokie Swift."

Yeah, these names just don't have the same special ring as Purple Line Express and Yellow Line.http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/images/smilies/koko.gif

pottebaum Jun 28, 2008 6:36 PM

Do any of you know when the new Fullerton station opens, rather than the temporary one? I'm wondering because I'll be attending school right near there in the fall.

VivaLFuego Jun 29, 2008 5:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Eventually...Chicago (Post 3641117)
Yeah, that purple line express is awesome and it gives a great option for people coming from the north shore/north suburbs.

Interestingly enough, as a commute option it is about as heavily used for reverse-commute to Evanston jobs as it is for inbound. People coming inbound have the faster Metra option, but the Purple Express is as good as it gets for most people who live in the north side and work in Evanston.


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