Michael...haha..Yes I agree..anything to make a penny, but to everyone…I’m not totally nuts…well my wife may argue the point…put the thought of the passages lined up to weigh in before bordering the cars reminds me of my wife’s job with Weight Watchers and the members lined up to weigh in before their meeting. I can just see it...the operators says …”sorry you’re too fat please wait for the next car.”

Yes indeed!

I apologize. Sometimes my poor writing skills end up confusing folks (I probably needed a semi-colon between those first two sentences, not a full stop).
I know the site of the Willoughby is the Pershing Square Red Line stop. I meant that the site of the Auditorium remains vacant (see below). But hey, nice view of the old PE Subway Terminal Building, right?

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-S...14423%2BPM.jpg
gvs

:previous: That parking lot is the future site of a Museum of Los Angeles (in my dreams)

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The Italian Kitchen was a regular stop on my adventures in DTLA in the early 60’s. Every other week at least. But the idea that they just took a slice out of a building and shoved half 10 feet. that's amazing.....

SoCal1954…“The word 'facetious', is large in my life”… me too and tongue-in-cheek also applies. And if it sounds improbable or unbelievable…then I probably said it…

One more post about the Consolidated Realty Building on Sixth and Hill, if I may.


This postcard photo from 1911 has been shown here before, but I'm reposting it for context:


http://imageshack.us/a/img266/6896/c...edrealty1a.jpg




Here is an illustration from a 1919 "Alexander & Oviatt" advertisement. The store's space occupied 605 and 609 S. Hill St. At center is the Consolidated Realty Building's ornate Hill St. entrance:


http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/...eexpansion.jpg




This illustration from a 1923 ad shows the building's Hill St. frontage. By 1923, "Alexander & Oviatt" had vacated its 605 S. Hill St. space and expanded its 609 space to 611 and 613, reaching the building's southeast corner:


http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/...buildingad.jpg

desktop replicas
 

Dunno what to make of these:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-H...40818%2BPM.jpg

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-R...31338%2BPM.jpg


http://www.replicabuildings.com/products.php?cat=30



They've got one of the Clem E. Wilson labeled "Carnation Building" (?)

I was looking at some info sites for old Chinatown L.A. and I discovered a wider cropped version of a photo previously posted here, which is clipped off--only a few feet S/O Ferguson Alley, right at Si Chong's.

This one still shows the Lugo House at the extreme left, but also goes further south, down close to the S/E corner, so you can see some more of the buildings and get more feel for the street; as well as, the Union Station tower. The caption is the L.A. Times writer.

Note: Looking at the photo closely, it appears the Times editor did a splice job on this photo to get the wider shot. Look carefully and see if you can discern the splice, and what had to be cut! ;)


http://i49.tinypic.com/90rdsi.jpg

A file photo from 1948 of an entire block along North Los Angeles Street, the last vestige of old Chinatown. The area was razed to make way for a freeway and park area. The historic Lugo House, a white-gabled building, is at the extreme left. (Los Angeles Times)

Michael's favorite intersection
 

The studio drugstore with the rear projection in "Criss Cross" is supposed to be one of these shops on the right 20 years later.

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Whatever Christine Sterling's feelings were toward the Lugo House, she seems to have had a soft spot for the Sentous Building, a couple blocks over at 617 N. Main. Ms. Sterling is shown below on August 12, 1957, the day after she learned the Sentous Block would be torn down for a parking lot, which it still is today (ER posted this photo way back on Page 2):
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps2a2cb347.jpg
USC Digital - http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/re...id/90580/rec/1
"For awhile, Governor Pio Pico (the last Mexican governor of California) spent his declining years in an apartment there. It once housed the Wells Fargo office," said Ms. Sterling. "I had always hoped that the Sentous Building would be included in the city, county and state's plans to restore the Plaza area. But it looks like another part of our past is going to be carried away in a truck."

I bet she had help carrying that wreath:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psb331294f.jpg
LAPL - http://jpg1.lapl.org/pics35/00037038.jpg
"In Memory, This Historic Building which was to be part of the State Monument is lost--Another Commercial Parking lot will desecrate the final Resting Place."

More pics, starting with this undated one:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps2a04ce0f.jpg
LAPL - http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics19/00019044.jpg

William Reagh, 1940:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psa7b1667a.jpg
LAPL - http://jpg2.lapl.org/spnb1/00017073.jpg

This 1920 photo was the oldest I could find (and no close-ups of the west side of the building). The Sentous Block was already 40 years old:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps41372ad4.jpg
LAPL - http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics48/00058904.jpg

Here's the Sentous Block on the 1888 Sanborn Map:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps29192235.jpg
LAPL - http://sanborn.umi.com.ezproxy.lapl....68&image.y=459

On the 1906 Sanborn Map we see that Upper Main is now San Fernando:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps9123e27f.jpg
LAPL - http://sanborn.umi.com.ezproxy.lapl....43&image.y=460

Let's look at that 1906 map a little closer. I hope Pio Pico (d. 1894) didn't spend his declining years living over a rendering kettle:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psfc70c3da.jpg

I include the 1921 Baist Map only to show that Upper Main, which retained that name until at least 1894 and then became San Fernando, is now North Spring. That's three names in less than 27 years!:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps76003e38.jpg
Historic Mapworks - http://www.historicmapworks.com/Map/US/19409/Plate+003/

The Sentous Block was built in 1880 by Louis Sentous, where he operated a meat market:
http://books.google.com/books?id=sMJ...entous&f=false

As Harris Newmark wrote in his Sixty Years in Southern California (1913), "Among the meat-handlers, there were several Sentous brothers, but those with whom I was more intimately acquainted were Jean [1837-1903] and Louis [1839-1911], father of Louis Sentous [Jr] the present French Consul, both of whom, if I mistake not, came about the middle of the fifties. They engaged in the sheep business; and later Louis had a packing-house of considerable importance located between Los Angeles and Santa Monica, where he also owned over a thousand acres of valuable land which he sold some time before his death. They were very successful; and Sentous Street bears their name. Jean died in 1903, and Louis a few years later."
http://www.ebooksread.com/authors-en...of-h-hci.shtml

FWIW, this March 21, 1906 news article about the new Sentous Co. meat packing plant (the company had been sold by the family the year before) refers to Louis already being deceased:
http://physics.usc.edu/Undergraduate...Sentous%29.pdf

The confusion might be explained by this article, which says that Louis Sentous Jr. was the son of Jean Sentous, not Louis Sentous Sr:
http://books.google.com/books?id=YMU...entous&f=false

Anyway, I believe this is a postcard of the meat packing plant "between Los Angeles and Santa Monica" that Mr. Newmark wrote about:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps50ba96cd.jpg
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ADVERTISIN...p2047675.l2557

The reverse side:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps5b1999e4.jpg
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ADVERTISIN...p2047675.l2557

This 1903 map shows where the Sentous meat packing plant was apparently located:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psd3f9c09b.jpg
Historic Mapworks - http://www.historicmapworks.com/Map/...03/California/
You see the Sentous properties in the middle of the map ("Louis Sentous" and "[V] and E Sentous") . . . the "Y" intersection in the lower right of the Sentous rectangle is Washington and Adams. The squiggly line below that is Ballona Creek, and the railroad line running through the Sentous properties (upper right to lower left across the map) is the Los Angeles-Pacific RR referred to in the 1906 news article above and which would become the future path of Venice Blvd:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps9f90a082.jpg
GoogleMaps

P.S. Or, the meat packing plant may have been located at the SE corner of today's Jefferson/La Cienega intersection: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=13738

P.P.S. As it turns out, there were two Sentous Stations: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=13875

Actually, I think the rear projection is taken from Hill Street looking southeast and the long low building you see is on the other (south) side of Temple. Of course, there was no drug store on the northwest corner of Hill and Temple, that was a complete fabrication. Notice the long unbroken roofline on the Owl Drug Company building. Also this is the only view that would give you the City Hall without additional splicing. The Courthouse building is, of course, long gone, replaced by that damnable collection of 'temporary' buildings and I think you can kind of see them poking out at the base of City Hall (in the rear projection) and LOOK! another penny scale!

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8540/8...07c1e260_o.png
Intersection West Temple Street and North Broadway, Los Angeles, CA, 1932 (3)

And number three looking southwest directly at the Owl Drug Co. with our backs now against the Hall of Justice with the County Courthouse just out of frame on the left and the WCTU out of frame on the right. Interesting impromptu fruit stand here in the foreground on the Hall of Justice railing. Nice shot of the Broadway Rose.

USC digital archive/Dick Whittington Photography Collection, 1924-1987

For Flyingwedge and T2...
 

Couple of shots on the other side...


http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8039/7...91dbc2ae_o.jpg
The 600 block of North Spring Street, looking south to Sunset Boulevard, circa the 1940s. The Vera Cruz Cafe and the Bamba Club are on the left.

Don't see any evidence of Slim Dundee nor his peripatetic wife Anna today, but there's the backside of the Sentous next door to the club with the Hotel Atlantic next to it and the Hotel Pacific down on the corner at Sunset.

LAPL


http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8452/8...1664c56c_o.jpg
North Spring Street Hotel entrance, 1948

Man waiting at hotel entrance. Double-sided sign above door reads "N. Spring Hotel" on one side, and "Spring Hotel" on the other, the "N" having worn away. This is the hotel entrance on N. Spring Street side to the second floor of the Sentous Building. Note the sign above his head which says (PRINT)ING and then compare it to the sign in the pic above (right above the two jaywalking guys) which is the same 'PRINTING' sign. Doubly interesting to consider, Pio Pico himself likely passed through this very door, used those very stairs in the background.

LAPL



http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8031/7...3e265397_o.jpg
View of the 600 block of North Spring Street, looking south to Sunset Boulevard, circa the 1940s. Hotel Atlantic is on the left, and the Pico House is in the background.

Here is a slice of the Sentous on the left with the hotels Atlantic (and the El Patio Club) and Pacific (and the Café Puma) then across Sunset the Pico House and a corner of the church property.

LAPL

Thx MR
 

The Los Angeles Star (bastion of The Chivalry) on historic preservation, commenting on the demolition of an old adobe near the Bella Union:

"Another of the old adobes is going the way of all mud piles, to fill up the streets." - 6 June 1868


(Not that the Sentous Building or Lugo House were adobes)



I've read that Sterling's plan for Olvera Street was to have the shops rented to representatives of each Mexican state, who would sell handcrafts from their particular areas while dressed in local costume. She apparently had no interest in Los Angeles Latinos. But then, she never visited Mexico either. I think her main concern was making a career for herself based on the money-making possibilities of a fantasy Mexican marketplace. With Harry Chandler's help, she was extremely successful at that.



P.S.

This: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Cien..._Metro_station) refers to the present La Cienega/Jefferson Expo line stop as being the former Sentous station on what was originally the Los Angeles and Independence Railroad.

And here's Sentous on the map, just east of Culver City:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-r...44954%2BPM.jpg
http://thesource.metro.net/2012/04/2...rough-history/

Very cool . . . thanks MR!

Yes, I saw that. I've seen the Sentous station described as a rail yard, and I suppose the name might have carried over from when it was a stop at the Sentous meat packing plant.

http://transittalk.proboards.com/ind...88&page=1#9225

I based my other location for the Sentous meat packing plant (near Adams/Washington) on these factors:
- The 1906 newspaper article says the packing plant was on the LAPRR line.
- On the 1903 map, the LAPRR line runs through the properties near Adams/Washington owned by Louis Sentous and the two brothers (Vincente and Exupere) he was in the meat packing business with.
- The Sentous Station at the modern La Cienega/Jefferson intersection, according to the 1903 map, was on the SPRR line, not the LAPRR.
- The 1903 map does not show Sentous property ownership at the modern La Cienega/Jefferson intersection.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8395/8...346e5206_o.jpg
Steven McNally, Criss Cross (Universal-International, 1949)

As an FYI: The sourced johnnydepp-zone site, in Post #13725, appears to have mis-identified the date "1946" of this postcard scene? The world's largest postcard producer Curt Teich Co. (1898-1978) used the date/ID code system on their cards, as found in the lower right corner.

The identification code on this linen card, shows that it was produced/published in 1939. Therefore, the photo image used in the card was not later than 1939; and most likely, as was the usual case back then, the card was actually produced very close to the date the image was photographed: 9A-H1343. Curt Teich Co.; 9A--produced in 1939; H--Process-Art Color Tone; and 1343--this was the 1343'rd card produced so far that year.

Similarly, the other Pershing Square card shown on that site (not reproduced on our forum) was actually produced in 1936; not 1946, per the code on the card.



http://i48.tinypic.com/35i8vhe.gif

"These postcards date from 1946, and show how Pershing Square used to look (in the park, aerial view, from Olive and 6th)."

Source: http://www.johnnydepp-zone.com/board...=36192&start=0

Thx. I apologize for having passed along yet another wrong date. Without being able to see the clothes, vehicles in this view, I had nothing to go by but the caption. The usc photo I put up in that same post had a wrong caption on it, which I quoted, but assumed noirishes knew the difference between the east and south sides of Pershing Square.

I love the net, but it will trip one up for sure.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8259/8...c43a4a1b_b.jpg
USC Digital Archive


http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8542/8...a3c6f54d29.jpg
LA Herald 8-26-1874


http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8261/8...56cb5398dc.jpg
LA Herald 6-28-1879


http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8530/8...c49eeb65e8.jpg
LA Herald 10-7-1879


This is a first post for me :)

From the early 60s through the early 70s, I stopped in at the news store on 5th street around the corner from the Willoughby at least once a month. I’ve always liked the building but never knew its name until recently.

It does say “Bath.” The A.L. Bath Building was built in 1898. “Historic Hotels of Los Angeles and Hollywood” (2008) says that the 30-unit Hotel Willoughby opened there in 1898 and in 1917 the furnishings were all sold and the hotel closed.

I don’t know who A.L. Bath was, but I did find a few news snippets about him from the Los Angeles Herald from 1874 and 1879. He purchased the property at the southeast corner of Hill and 5th in 1874. I’d be interested to know what was on the property in the 24 years from 1874 to 1898.