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rgolch Sep 23, 2015 3:55 AM

Damn...... am I dreaming......?

This feels too good to be true. I can't help but think of all the home run designs from the last boom that never got built. That being said, I have the feeling a lot of the stuff in this cycle feel less like pipe dreams.

And rentals? So much for oversupply of rental units I guess.

Domer2019 Sep 23, 2015 3:56 AM

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Originally Posted by 2PRUROCKS! (Post 7173781)
I guess I will be the first contrarian. I don't care for the design all that much. I don't care for most of Vinoly's work. Phase 1 is ok and I hope it gets built but it is nothing earth shattering like some posting here seem to imply. I don't usually like twin towers and I hope phase 2 is completely redesigned by a different architect. This design seems too bulky and boxy (especially with the twin) and lacks elegance while also braking no new ground in architecture. I much prefer the Spire (rip), Wanda Vista and even the SCB tower also presented today for 1300 S. Michigan.

Perhaps it may have been better to orient them differently, but it/they are certainly not the boxiest in the vicinity of Grant Park.

2PRUROCKS! Sep 23, 2015 4:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Domer2019 (Post 7173786)
Perhaps it may have been better to orient them differently, but it/they are certainly not the boxiest in the vicinity of Grant Park.

Yes I know. That is part of my problem. I feel there is already too much boxyness surrounding Grant Park and in Chicago in general. I really like to see explorations in other forms especially tapered designs.

r18tdi Sep 23, 2015 4:05 AM

This thing is giving me blood flow. I'm loving the verticality of it. Even if we don't get phase two I'll still be seriously happy with this one. :cheers:

modkris Sep 23, 2015 6:17 AM

My 2 cents...build the first one and skip the second. It couldn't hurt to slim it down a bit too. The fatness goes up too high. I like the backside better than the front. The white frame is making it look a little cartoony and fatter than it really is. As twins it's just too much of a big flat wall for such a prominent location. I get why everyone is saying that it's so Chicago but make it thinner and more elegant and it's still Chicago but pushing us forward...Haha, now I sound like all of the overly critical people that pick every new design apart. I want height and density as much as the next geek but does anyone understand what I'm getting at here?

Tom Servo Sep 23, 2015 6:48 AM

File under, not gonna happen, right? :sly: At best one of the two and VEed? Would be cool if it happens. But I'm not holding my breath on a project this, uh, ambitiously huge.

denizen467 Sep 23, 2015 11:27 AM

Looks like a vertical completion of the Apparel Mart. It looks almost like it could have been an abandoned early proposal for the Apparel Mart (notwithstanding the windows that were added later), designed to ape the just-completed Sears Tower, before getting chopped down to its podium after a mid '70s oil shock.

Also, are those heavily-expressed columns going to be clad, or just painted concrete? If just painted concrete, this would be a minimal improvement on the countless '70s and '80s boxes we already have. If they're clad, and the fenestration is excellent, for example with a perfectly flush and glossy facade, it could help redeem the design.

And are we looking at references to rust belt smokestacks, another cliche that out-of-town architects immediately seize on?

The doubling up of the podium party walls looks like the work of a rural China developer who fired his architect and decided to finish the job himself. Surely you could at least chamfer the party walls where they meet the north facade so that combined they appear as a single unit. There are many ways to do a podium where 2 towers come together and this is a ham-handed one.

rlw777 Sep 23, 2015 1:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Servo (Post 7173916)
File under, not gonna happen, right? :sly: At best one of the two and VEed? Would be cool if it happens. But I'm not holding my breath on a project this, uh, ambitiously huge.

I expect the first one to be completed but as I have said before the second I assume will be redesigned later just like 90% of all twins proposed in Chicago.

pilsenarch Sep 23, 2015 1:09 PM

Vinoly
 
Vinoly, IMO, is one of the best of the starchitects.

He knows how to detail a building.

As others have pointed out, there is a straightforward, muscular, structural expressionism with this design that reflects Chicago tradition.

Unlike other designs we've seen lately, this design will not have to waste, uhh, I mean, spend a substantial portion of the budget on geometric gymnastics that all can see have nothing to do with building's program or function.

If it is painted concrete with cheap detailing, yeah, that would be a problem. But, knowing Vinoly, I highly doubt it. Rather, it is a design that is ripe for beautiful detailing that also has an excellent chance of surviving any VE process.

LouisVanDerWright Sep 23, 2015 1:14 PM

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Originally Posted by denizen467 (Post 7173965)

And are we looking at references to rust belt smokestacks, another cliche that out-of-town architects immediately seize on?

Lol, have you ever seen a smokestack? They aren't square, they aren't made of multiple vertical segments, and they don't have setbacks... In short, other than these being tall, slim, structures, they have absolutely nothing in common with smokestacks. What this does reference is the square geometry of Chicago industrial architecture, it reminds me a lot of the tops of a grain elevator with the multiple little poured in place concrete penthouses or the massing of the water tower bases that rise up out of many old school concrete loft buildings:

http://www.chicagoarchitecture.org/w...nstruction.jpg
chicagoarchitecture.org

If these are the best criticisms of the design we are going to see, I think it's an instant classic.

Notyrview Sep 23, 2015 1:36 PM

All sorts of slobbers over this! Love it. I usually don't like twin towers but these work for me, but the base needs a redesign.

BVictor1 Sep 23, 2015 2:18 PM

The NIMBYS are throwing shit like monkeys on the DNAinfo FB comment section of the story about this project.

http://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20150...all-south-loop

I've been having a bit of fun with them... :)

BVictor1 Sep 23, 2015 2:28 PM

http://www.chicagobusiness.com/reale...-in-south-loop

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September 23, 2015
At 76 stories, proposed apartment tower would be tallest in South Loop
By Alby Gallun

Miami developer Crescent Heights plans to build the tallest building in the South Loop, a 76-story high-rise with nearly 800 apartments at the south end of Grant Park.

Crescent Heights unveiled its plans last night for the 829-foot skyscraper at the southeast corner of Michigan Avenue and Roosevelt Road. Designed by Rafael Vinoly Architects, which also designed the University of Chicago's Booth School of Business in Hyde Park, the 792-unit building would be the first of three that Crescent Heights plans just south of the park.

The developer also plans a 648-unit building and a 100-unit building on Indiana Avenue that would be built later, according to a Crescent Heights spokeswoman. The firm hasn't decided whether those projects would include apartments or condominiums, she said.

Representatives of the developer presented their proposal for the site at a town hall meeting hosted by Ald. Pat Dowell (3rd), whose ward includes the properties. Her support is critical for the project, which would also need the City Council's approval. Crescent Heights also would need to obtain construction financing for the buildings before breaking ground.

UPChicago Sep 23, 2015 2:34 PM

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Originally Posted by b0soleil (Post 7173710)

Wow we really need to add density to the skyline south of Van Buren.

This is a really good location though and it is totally trumping OMP. OMP has a very huge impact on the skyline due to its location.

rlw777 Sep 23, 2015 2:43 PM

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Originally Posted by UPChicago (Post 7174131)
Wow we really need to add density to the skyline south of Van Buren.

Agreed. if only we could let some bulldozers run rampant in Dearborn park.

UPChicago Sep 23, 2015 2:50 PM

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Originally Posted by rlw777 (Post 7174149)
Agreed. if only we could let some bulldozers run rampant in Dearborn park.

I have matches :cheers:

Ryanrule Sep 23, 2015 2:51 PM

its a nest of nimbys and old people and some questionable people too.

Jibba Sep 23, 2015 3:02 PM

These are so 90s. I like the designs well enough. The terraces or whatever they are need some finessing, but the strong "piers" with the hash-mark spandrels is a great look.

r18tdi Sep 23, 2015 3:49 PM

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Originally Posted by denizen467 (Post 7173965)
The doubling up of the podium party walls looks like the work of a rural China developer who fired his architect and decided to finish the job himself. Surely you could at least chamfer the party walls where they meet the north facade so that combined they appear as a single unit. There are many ways to do a podium where 2 towers come together and this is a ham-handed one.

Excellent point, I agree. But I also agree that we are most likely to see the design of phase II evolve and change if and when we reach that point.

wierdaaron Sep 23, 2015 4:18 PM

We just got the full set of high res renders at curbed, stand by


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