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Acajack Nov 28, 2020 3:23 AM

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Originally Posted by mousquet (Post 9118890)
Je me rappelle plus. Géocoucou me dit vaguement quelque chose, mais je ne sais plus quoi.

Pour moi, c'était bip bip. L'espèce de volaille qui court à la vitesse de la lumière et qui échappe à tous les malheurs.
J'ai même jamais su quel genre d'oiseau c'était censé représenter dans la vraie vie. Tout ce que j'ai jamais su, c'est que quand il fait "bip bip", un truc désastreux et probablement hilarant va s'abattre sur le prédateur vicieux qui le poursuit.

Tu vois... C'est tout simple en vrai. J'ai toujours aimé ces slapstick cartoons. Il y a des studios d'animation qui perpétuent cette tradition complètement farfelue de nos jours. Par exemple en France, Xilam (Oggy et les Cafards, Zig et Sharko). C'est marrant pour les mômes (ainsi que pour les adultes, à l'occasion).

D'après moi, au Québec rares sont ceux qui disaient "Géocoucou". C'était soit "bip bip" ou "le roadrunner" (prononcé "roadrunneux").

chris08876 Nov 29, 2020 6:17 PM

New York City public schools will begin reopening in-person learning in early December, mayor says

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New York City public schools grades 3-k, Pre-k, and K-5th grade will begin reopening for in-person learning Dec. 7, Mayor Bill de Blasio said.

Schools will begin reopening in phases, de Blasio said.

Students will be tested weekly and parents will be required to sign a consent form for every student that will take in-person classes, de Blasio said.

Nearly 300,000 students are eligible to return to school, according to de Blasio.

District 75 schools, which provide specialized instruction for students with significant needs, will reopen beginning Dec. 10, de Blasio said

Schools are moving to five-days a week of in-person classes as much as possible, the mayor said.
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https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/...20103774f57f15

MonkeyRonin Nov 29, 2020 8:51 PM

Some interesting data from around the world here on how they've fared in terms of case loads, fatalities, lockdown severity, economic damage, and access to vaccines: https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/c...=pocket-newtab


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The Best and Worst Places to Be in the Coronavirus Era

By Rachel Chang, Jinshan Hong and Kevin Varley
November 24, 2020


As Covid-19 has spread around the world, it’s challenged preconceptions about which places would best tackle the worst public health crisis in a generation.

Advanced economies like the U.S. and U.K., ranked by various pre-2020 measures as being the most prepared for a pandemic, have been repeatedly overwhelmed by infections and face a return to costly lockdowns. Meanwhile, other countries—even developing nations—have defied expectations, some all but eliminating the pathogen within their borders.

Bloomberg crunched the numbers to determine the best places to be in the coronavirus era: where has the virus been handled most effectively with the least amount of disruption to business and society?

IluvATX Nov 29, 2020 8:55 PM

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Originally Posted by mrnyc (Post 9119027)
curious, do they even mask at all up there?

i got a cousin and his family there and anyway i just want to visit someday. ive only made it as far as vancouver though.

It’s the same as everywhere else. Masks are required, but there’s still the ones that don’t believe in doing so. Also, now communities can completely ban intrastate travel if they wish. I’m not sure if any have done so though.

tayser Nov 29, 2020 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by mousquet (Post 9118521)
^ Excuse my French, but this is just a motherfucking feat. We don't know how you guys do that where I am in France. Are you guys totally shut down to the world or something?
For example, how does the youth act in your country? Over here, youngsters go depressed if you deprive them from their weekly parties, their college mates and so on. So a lot of them keep spreading the virus by their undisciplined attitude, but I personally can't even blame on them, because I would've done the same and possibly worse when I was 20.

Anyway, the so called 2nd wave is going under control here, while the government, their advisors, scientists were freaking out a couple of weeks ago.
So restrictions are about to be eased for Christmas and New Year's Eve. But then, I would expect a "3rd wave" for February and March. Lol.

Only a vaccine can effectively free us from that curse. But the French (including myself) are a bit skeptical about the latest announcements. We're like - how did the Pfizer/BioNThec consortium or Moderna manage to develop their vaccines so fast, while it normally takes at least 2 years to seriously make it? Sure, the latest tech can make their tests faster, but it's still a bit astonishing, if not uncertain. So approval to their products might take a little time here. No doubt the French bureaucracy will carefully watch them anyway.

Apart from obvious geographic differences (i.e island country versus a country with land borders), I dunno what it is, really. Even then using an island as an excuse is a load of shite anyhow - Victoria's second wave was a breach in hotel quarantine and a super-spreader event from security guards working there. South Australia had one of these events 3 weeks ago - the virus can still get into island countries and it can be rapid once it's in the community.

Broadly speaking, Australians generally want their governments to fix fuck ups / lead during crises and we just give them lee-way to do it. For the past year, I've seen a lot of libertarians crow about all sorts of crap - and that just doesn't work here. The Murdoch media tried, and failed.

The second wave had 3 months worth of lockdown - 6 weeks of very very little contact with other people, then we were allowed in "single buddy bubbles" (if you were living alone, you could nominate one other person and visit them once a day) and then restrictions were eased gradually.

Also, the state's public health system was completely and utterly unprepared and they used the time during lockdown to bolster everything. The contact tracing system saw a major upgrade, they started using different quarantining strategies (mainly for every case, their close contacts and the close contacts of the close contacts - 2 ring fences - are quarantined). We also learned that if you're having more than a couple of hundred cases a day, no contact tracing system is going to be effective (hence hard lockdown is the only way to smash case loads down).

Broadly - once again - libertarian arguments don't really work here in Australia. We get that you need a little bit of authoritarianism (on the lighter scale) every now and again and you need to work together as a society to get a collective outcome.

Seeing the economic wash up after all of this is done is going to be interesting. Yes, the centre-right side of politics (or those participants who just wanted to sink the boot into the state government because politics (rather than helping with a public health response) was It'S aBoUt ThE EcOnOmY StUpiD, but we had 3-4 months of major restrictions and things are now roaring back to life (December's unemployment figures for Victoria will be interesting as they'll reflect a full month of severe restrictions having been lifted and continung to be eased through November). It'll be interesting to see how things go - where each country/sub-national jurisdiction ends up whether you go down the path we did versus trying to balance things that other countries seem to be doing (hoping for vaccines to do the job etc).

mousquet Nov 29, 2020 10:42 PM

^ Of course, I can see about what you're saying. I was kind of a tongue in cheek.

But fact is there's also some geopolitical, economic and sociological matter, if you really want to speak broadly.
You guys are neighbors of Southeast Asia that's booming. So your economic constraints are not the same as ours. Tomorrow is surely a good thing to you, no matter what virus, with the massive economic growth all over your region and around your country.

It is harder to reassure the people about their economic future in this part of the world, Europe, where there's an old establishment that keeps taking everything for granted.
The youth is not really optimistic about their future here. Thus their skepticism towards the government and anything related.

chris08876 Dec 5, 2020 1:14 PM

Protesters take to the streets over new COVID-19 restrictions

Video Link

mhays Dec 6, 2020 6:30 AM

Ironic that they're waving US flags.

homebucket Dec 6, 2020 7:02 AM

On the bright side most of them will likely get COVID and with vaccines on the horizon we are getting closer to herd immunity.

Yuri Dec 8, 2020 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by homebucket (Post 9126248)
On the bright side most of them will likely get COVID and with vaccines on the horizon we are getting closer to herd immunity.

But people do get infected more than once.

hauntedheadnc Dec 8, 2020 5:08 PM

Having moved to South Carolina recently, I can report that it's not affecting life in Greenville in the slightest. Nobody seems to be taking it seriously. Restaurants and bars are full. Some events have been canceled, and others, like the ice skating rink downtown, have limited capacity, but for the most part it's like nothing is happening. About half of the people are wearing masks and the other half stare at them like they have a tit growing out of their head. Meanwhile, the news keeps talking about thousands of new cases around the state, including a recent weekend that clocked 8,000 new cases in SC alone -- and nobody can figure out why the cases keep going up. It's a total mystery. When the newspaper had an article about it, which basically stated that cases are skyrocketing and the state Department of Health and Environmental Concerns was flummoxed as to why, most of the comments the article received were sarcastic grenades agreeing that it sure was a puzzler, that one!

homebucket Dec 8, 2020 5:15 PM

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Originally Posted by hauntedheadnc (Post 9128021)
Having moved to South Carolina recently, I can report that it's not affecting life in Greenville in the slightest. Nobody seems to be taking it seriously. Restaurants and bars are full. Some events have been canceled, and others, like the ice skating rink downtown, have limited capacity, but for the most part it's like nothing is happening. About half of the people are wearing masks and the other half stare at them like they have a tit growing out of their head. Meanwhile, the news keeps talking about thousands of new cases around the state, including a recent weekend that clocked 8,000 new cases in SC alone -- and nobody can figure out why the cases keep going up. It's a total mystery. When the newspaper had an article about it, which basically stated that cases are skyrocketing and the state Department of Health and Environmental Concerns was flummoxed as to why, most of the comments the article received were sarcastic grenades agreeing that it sure was a puzzler, that one!

I'm not familiar with Greenville. Is it a Trumpy area or is it full of social media inclined young people (Millennials and Zoomers)? These are the only two groups that I generally see not taking it seriously.

hauntedheadnc Dec 8, 2020 5:40 PM

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Originally Posted by homebucket (Post 9128027)
I'm not familiar with Greenville. Is it a Trumpy area or is it full of social media inclined young people (Millennials and Zoomers)? These are the only two groups that I generally see not taking it seriously.

Both.

homebucket Dec 8, 2020 5:45 PM

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Originally Posted by hauntedheadnc (Post 9128062)
Both.

That is unfortunate. The downtown area with the bridge and the river dam look pretty cool though!

mrnyc Dec 8, 2020 6:15 PM

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Originally Posted by hauntedheadnc (Post 9128021)
Having moved to South Carolina recently, I can report that it's not affecting life in Greenville in the slightest. Nobody seems to be taking it seriously. Restaurants and bars are full. Some events have been canceled, and others, like the ice skating rink downtown, have limited capacity, but for the most part it's like nothing is happening. About half of the people are wearing masks and the other half stare at them like they have a tit growing out of their head. Meanwhile, the news keeps talking about thousands of new cases around the state, including a recent weekend that clocked 8,000 new cases in SC alone -- and nobody can figure out why the cases keep going up. It's a total mystery. When the newspaper had an article about it, which basically stated that cases are skyrocketing and the state Department of Health and Environmental Concerns was flummoxed as to why, most of the comments the article received were sarcastic grenades agreeing that it sure was a puzzler, that one!

this is so disheartening to hear. we are going to have this dam rona bug around forever. ugh. thx for reporting though. :shrug:

hauntedheadnc Dec 8, 2020 6:40 PM

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Originally Posted by mrnyc (Post 9128104)
this is so disheartening to hear. we are going to have this dam rona bug around forever. ugh. thx for reporting though. :shrug:

One of the local hospital systems has been reduced to begging people to take it seriously:

In percentages and cases, the Upstate is leading a surge in coronavirus in South Carolina: 'This is not a joke. There is no agenda,' said the COVID-19 incident commander for Prisma Health-Upstate. 'We acutely need the public hear what we're saying right now.'

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The percentage of positive COVID-19 tests has soared recently in four Upstate counties, indicating that the respiratory disease is spreading rapidly as South Carolina records some of its highest case counts.

From Dec. 1 to Dec. 5, 31.3% of the COVID-19 tests conducted in Pickens County came back positive, according to data from the state Department of Health and Environmental Control. The percent of positive tests during the same period was 26.1% in Anderson County, 25.3% in Greenville County and 24.9% in Spartanburg.

Throughout the state over the same timeframe, 21.2% of COVID-tests were positive, according to DHEC.

Experts say that a testing positivity rate exceeding 5% indicates that COVID-19 is not well controlled in a community.

The state set a record three-day high of nearly 8,000 cases over the weekend.

edale Dec 8, 2020 6:58 PM

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Originally Posted by hauntedheadnc (Post 9128021)
Having moved to South Carolina recently, I can report that it's not affecting life in Greenville in the slightest. Nobody seems to be taking it seriously. Restaurants and bars are full. Some events have been canceled, and others, like the ice skating rink downtown, have limited capacity, but for the most part it's like nothing is happening. About half of the people are wearing masks and the other half stare at them like they have a tit growing out of their head. Meanwhile, the news keeps talking about thousands of new cases around the state, including a recent weekend that clocked 8,000 new cases in SC alone -- and nobody can figure out why the cases keep going up. It's a total mystery. When the newspaper had an article about it, which basically stated that cases are skyrocketing and the state Department of Health and Environmental Concerns was flummoxed as to why, most of the comments the article received were sarcastic grenades agreeing that it sure was a puzzler, that one!

I've been to Greenville, and was very impressed with the little downtown and the natural beauty of the area, but this type of shit is why I would never choose to move to a red state.

hauntedheadnc Dec 8, 2020 7:18 PM

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Originally Posted by edale (Post 9128151)
I've been to Greenville, and was very impressed with the little downtown and the natural beauty of the area, but this type of shit is why I would never choose to move to a red state.

On the other hand, all you have to do to paralyze the entire metro and get a day off of work is get on the phone and breathe heavily about snow. It's a trade-off.

homebucket Dec 8, 2020 7:22 PM

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Originally Posted by hauntedheadnc (Post 9128178)
On the other hand, all you have to do to paralyze the entire metro and get a day off of work is get on the phone and breathe heavily about snow. It's a trade-off.

It snows in the South?

hauntedheadnc Dec 8, 2020 7:31 PM

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Originally Posted by homebucket (Post 9128184)
It snows in the South?

Yes, it does.

For what it's worth it snows more in Asheville, an hour north and a couple thousand feet higher in elevation, but Greenville does get a little bit every year.

Daniel Coulson Dec 9, 2020 10:20 AM

In my city (Eastern European) most of the restaurants and other entertainment businesses are limited in capacity and masks are mandatory in most of them. Overall the response to the epidemic was pretty good which is a surprise considering where I live.

Steely Dan Dec 9, 2020 2:51 PM

NO POLITICS/CULTURE WAR BULLSHIT.

take that crap to the CE toilet.

Pedestrian Dec 14, 2020 10:22 PM

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‘People Need to Eat!’ Protesters Demand Mayor Breed Reopen Outdoor Dining in San Francisco
By Da LinDecember 13, 2020 at 7:48 pm

SAN FRANCISCO (KPIX) — Protesters gathered for a loud and noisy demonstration outside San Francisco mayor London Breed’s home on Sunday.

Demonstrators want the mayor to reopen outdoor dining. They chanted “Open SF now!” “The people need to eat!” and other slogans. Protesters said they’re fighting for the little guys like the cooks who can’t work from home and the low-wage servers who can’t pay their rents.

“The money is not enough. The money is not enough for a family of four — especially in San Francisco — when the rent is too high,” said Adrian Cruz, a restaurant server who has been on unemployment since March. He and many workers worried they’ll be homeless once unemployment runs out . . . .

About 40 to 50 people demonstrated in the rain. Some said this was their first protest on any issue . . . .

Danielle Rabkin, who owns CrossFit Golden Gate . . . . said the San Francisco health order is too restrictive and lacks contact-tracing data . . . .

Many protesters said they want a balanced approach that can keep people safe and allow small businesses to survive.

“We want Mayor Breed to open outdoor dining immediately,” said San Francisco resident Daniel Kotzin . . . .

Some neighbors screamed at the protesters, saying they need to wear masks. Others said it was disrespectful to protest at someone’s house . . . .

No one came out to address the protesters and there was no immediate response from the mayor.
https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/20...rotest-dining/

Another report said the leaders of this protest were an anti-vax group from Southern CA.

austlar1 Dec 15, 2020 4:24 AM

Another NYT article lamenting the terrible state of commercial real estate in Midtown Manhattan. Concerns that the new spike will create even problems for landlords and tenants. Is conversion to housing for some buildings a path forward? https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/11/n...al-estate.html

iheartthed Dec 15, 2020 3:18 PM

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Originally Posted by austlar1 (Post 9133922)
Another NYT article lamenting the terrible state of commercial real estate in Midtown Manhattan. Concerns that the new spike will create even problems for landlords and tenants. Is conversion to housing for some buildings a path forward? https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/11/n...al-estate.html

I'm a little leery of allowing industry to push through permanent policy changes during an emergency. This sounds a little too drastic since we don't really know what the market will look like in 6-12 months.

Pedestrian Dec 16, 2020 9:30 PM

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[Pima, AZ] County Health Director tests positive for COVID-19; part of outbreak at the Health Department

Pima County Health Department Director Dr. Theresa Cullen tested positive for COVID-19 Dec. 15, part of an apparent outbreak in the department. The County is offering testing to all Health Department staff who work at the headquarters building . . . and moving them to alternative work locations or having them work from home while the affected floors are sanitized . . . .

County case investigators and contact tracers are working to track down the sources of the outbreak, however Garcia said a protest at the building Dec. 10 of several dozen people, some of whom entered the lobby to protest and had close contact with security staff and other building staff, may make that tracing effort extremely difficult. Few of the protestors were wearing masks. They were there to protest Health Department COVID-19 protection and enforcement actions. Garcia also noted that there was at least one covid positive health department employee reported a few days before the protest . . . .

County Administrator Chuck Huckelberry told the Board of Supervisors this week that more than 300 of the roughly 7,000 county employees have contracted COVID-19 since the outbreak began in February, with more than 60 of them, or about 20 percent, just in the past two weeks . . . .

According to County testing data, there are more than 8,000 people in Pima County who have tested positive for COVID-19 in the past 7 days, nearly 15,000 since Dec. 1 . . . .

https://content.govdelivery.com/acco...letins/2b164d0

The irony is overwhelming.

sopas ej Dec 17, 2020 9:58 PM

Our ICU capacity here in SoCal has dropped to 0%. :(

https://abc7.com/icu-capacity-southe...eaths/8850811/

Pedestrian Dec 17, 2020 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by sopas ej (Post 9136795)
Our ICU capacity here in SoCal has dropped to 0%. :(

https://abc7.com/icu-capacity-southe...eaths/8850811/

If it makes you feel better, Stockholm's ICUs are 100% overcapacity (that is, 2 patients who ought to be in an ICU bed for every existing bed) per this morning's WSJ.

Pedestrian Dec 17, 2020 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by yuriandrade (Post 9127763)
But people do get infected more than once.

I'll repeat what I posted in the other thread:

Let's look at the two vaccines the US has now agreed to authorize for emergency use. Both are about "95% effective". That means, about one in 20 people who gets them will still get COVID if exposed.

Most scientists are now saying they believe the vaccine-induced immunity is actually better (more effective) than natural immunity you would get from having the illness (because it's more specific to the virus's most important vulnerability, the spike protein).

That means likely more than 1 in 20 people who have had COVID will, if re-exposed, "get it again". But looking at it from a the half-full viewpoint, 19 people (or maybe slightly fewer) who've had it won't get it again even if they are exposed.

JManc Dec 17, 2020 11:59 PM

Doesn't natural immunity only last a few months or so?

twister244 Dec 18, 2020 1:14 AM

Besides normal pandemic impacts with the uptick in cases, Denver continues to have an insane housing market that has only become more strained for potential buyers over the last several months:

https://denver.cbslocal.com/2020/12/...market-redfin/

EDIT - The reason I posted this in the thread is I suspect the permanent remote work situation that will emerge for many after the pandemic is over has pushed many folks to consider moving to Denver, since we have had this hip vibe for years now. It also doesn't help that we just can't build houses fast enough here. Couple that with low property taxes and low mortgage rates.... and this is what you get.

dave8721 Dec 18, 2020 4:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Pedestrian (Post 9136871)
I'll repeat what I posted in the other thread:

Let's look at the two vaccines the US has now agreed to authorize for emergency use. Both are about "95% effective". That means, about one in 20 people who gets them will still get COVID if exposed.

Most scientists are now saying they believe the vaccine-induced immunity is actually better (more effective) than natural immunity you would get from having the illness (because it's more specific to the virus's most important vulnerability, the spike protein).

That means likely more than 1 in 20 people who have had COVID will, if re-exposed, "get it again". But looking at it from a the half-full viewpoint, 19 people (or maybe slightly fewer) who've had it won't get it again even if they are exposed.

Also from what I have seen they are close to 100% effective in preventing severe cases of the virus. So even if you do still catch it after the vaccine, it wont be as severe.

SIGSEGV Dec 18, 2020 4:49 AM

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Originally Posted by twister244 (Post 9136967)
Besides normal pandemic impacts with the uptick in cases, Denver continues to have an insane housing market that has only become more strained for potential buyers over the last several months:

https://denver.cbslocal.com/2020/12/...market-redfin/

EDIT - The reason I posted this in the thread is I suspect the permanent remote work situation that will emerge for many after the pandemic is over has pushed many folks to consider moving to Denver, since we have had this hip vibe for years now. It also doesn't help that we just can't build houses fast enough here. Couple that with low property taxes and low mortgage rates.... and this is what you get.


and mountains! I wonder how places like Bishop, Moab and Tahoe are doing...

xzmattzx Dec 18, 2020 5:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Pedestrian (Post 9136871)
I'll repeat what I posted in the other thread:

Let's look at the two vaccines the US has now agreed to authorize for emergency use. Both are about "95% effective". That means, about one in 20 people who gets them will still get COVID if exposed.

Most scientists are now saying they believe the vaccine-induced immunity is actually better (more effective) than natural immunity you would get from having the illness (because it's more specific to the virus's most important vulnerability, the spike protein).

That means likely more than 1 in 20 people who have had COVID will, if re-exposed, "get it again". But looking at it from a the half-full viewpoint, 19 people (or maybe slightly fewer) who've had it won't get it again even if they are exposed.

Will get Covid if exposed? Or, may potentially get Covid if exposed?

Pedestrian Dec 18, 2020 6:57 AM

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Originally Posted by JManc (Post 9136921)
Doesn't natural immunity only last a few months or so?

Nobody knows but the members of the FDA panel suggested immunity, whether natural or from a vaccine, probably lasts 1-3 years.

Pedestrian Dec 18, 2020 6:59 AM

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Originally Posted by xzmattzx (Post 9137100)
Will get Covid if exposed? Or, may potentially get Covid if exposed?

OK. Maybe phrase it “are vulnerable to infection”.

Technically, what the numbers mean is that in comparable populations there will be 20 times as many symptomatic illnesses among unvaccinated people as among vaccinated ones and I’m suggesting that similarly there will be a bit fewer than 20 times as many infections among people who have not previously had COVID as among those who have. Also, the infections among those previously sick should be milder and some may not be noticed. But that’s still a significant possibility of reinfection.

Pedestrian Dec 18, 2020 7:02 AM

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Originally Posted by dave8721 (Post 9137073)
Also from what I have seen they are close to 100% effective in preventing severe cases of the virus. So even if you do still catch it after the vaccine, it wont be as severe.

That’s believed to be true and it not only makes sense because that’s the way things usually go but I’ve been looking for reports about whether the rare documented second infections are typically severe or less severe. I’m betting they are mild.

iheartthed Dec 18, 2020 4:38 PM

This is probably the most high profile COVID death in Michigan so far:

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Benny Napoleon, Michigan Sheriff and Ex-Detroit Police Chief, Dies at 65

Sheriff Napoleon served for more than a decade in the Michigan county that includes Detroit, and ran unsuccessfully for the city’s mayor.

WEST BLOOMFIELD, Mich. — Benny Napoleon, the sheriff of Wayne County in Michigan and a former Detroit police chief who ran unsuccessfully for mayor of the city, died on Thursday. He was 65.

The current mayor of Detroit, Mike Duggan, confirmed the death on Twitter. Sheriff Napoleon had been hospitalized in Detroit for weeks with Covid-19 complications.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/18/u...leon-dead.html

suburbanite Dec 18, 2020 4:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Pedestrian (Post 9137137)
That’s believed to be true and it not only makes sense because that’s the way things usually go but I’ve been looking for reports about whether the rare documented second infections are typically severe or less severe. I’m betting they are mild.

I'm curious as to how places like Sweden are experiencing such high amounts of severe cases now (leading to a shortage of ICU beds) while being the poster child of the laissez faire herd immunity strategy. You would have to think their percentage of the population that was exposed to Covid between March - October was pretty high given the prevalence in places like New York. Was there a large subset of vulnerable people who voluntarily restricted their activities until recently and are getting it for the first time? Are they getting hit with a new strain? Does getting it a second time not make it any easier?

Pedestrian Dec 18, 2020 5:11 PM

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Originally Posted by suburbanite (Post 9137338)
I'm curious as to how places like Sweden are experiencing such high amounts of severe cases now (leading to a shortage of ICU beds) while being the poster child of the laissez faire herd immunity strategy. You would have to think their percentage of the population that was exposed to Covid between March - October was pretty high given the prevalence in places like New York. Was there a large subset of vulnerable people who voluntarily restricted their activities until recently and are getting it for the first time? Are they getting hit with a new strain? Does getting it a second time not make it any easier?

These are among the many things we don't know and the reason I reject the notion that places like Canada are doing better because they behaved smarter or whatever. We simply don't understand well enough the factors that matter.

One thing that does come to mind re Sweden is that the younger set there probably passed around a lot of asymptomatic infections in March-October but didn't take it home to the grandparents and older folks until everybody had to head indoors for the winter. Just a thought.

There have been some different strains of virus identified in Europe but everything I read argues they are niether resistant to immunity to other strains (or the vaccines) nor do they produce worse disease because the altered bits of their RNA don't code for anything critical.

iheartthed Dec 18, 2020 5:20 PM

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Originally Posted by suburbanite (Post 9137338)
I'm curious as to how places like Sweden are experiencing such high amounts of severe cases now (leading to a shortage of ICU beds) while being the poster child of the laissez faire herd immunity strategy. You would have to think their percentage of the population that was exposed to Covid between March - October was pretty high given the prevalence in places like New York. Was there a large subset of vulnerable people who voluntarily restricted their activities until recently and are getting it for the first time? Are they getting hit with a new strain? Does getting it a second time not make it any easier?

We could have been overestimating asymptomatic spread/infections. In hindsight, Sweden's confirmed infections were not really that high early in the pandemic compared to some other places. Michigan, which has a similar population size as Sweden, had an early pandemic peak of +1,800 new cases/day on average in April, which the state didn't surpass again until late October. Sweden never got above an average of 1,800 until late October. Coincidentally, Sweden and Michigan hit 1,800 within a week of each other in October.

If you want proof that lockdowns work, Michigan's infections peaked a month ago around the time of the most recent shutdown order, and are now down to about 50-60% of peak. Sweden has yet to peak in this new wave.

Pedestrian Dec 18, 2020 8:15 PM

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Charts show how COVID surge has hit L.A. much harder than San Francisco
Kellie Hwang Dec. 17, 2020 Updated: Dec. 17, 2020 1:43 p.m.

Los Angeles marked one of its worst days of the pandemic on Wednesday, reporting over 22,000 new cases in what is likely a single-day record for any county in the state. The grim milestone underscores the area’s ongoing struggles to curb the virus’s spread.

Until recently, the Bay Area had mostly avoided a similar fate. San Francisco, in particular, was cited as having the lowest mortality rate of any major U.S. metropolitan area. Now, the current surge is sparing few regions across California, yet the latest numbers for the two regions underscore that the pandemic continues to impact different areas of the state in very different ways . . . .

The Bay Area’s average case rate over the past seven days is 49 cases per 100,000 people as of Wednesday, according to the Chronicle’s Coronavirus Tracker. Case rates across the counties range from 61 in Santa Clara to 30 in San Francisco. Los Angeles County’s 7-day case rate is 111.


The recent daily hospitalization rate in Los Angeles County is more than twice that of San Francisco. And, as of Dec. 16, the county is down to 26 available ICU beds, while the Southern California region dropped to 0% ICU capacity on Thursday.

San Francisco’s COVID-19 hospitalizations in recent days are also at an all-time high. Yet ICU capacity in San Francisco remains above the city’s 20% target. Across the Bay Area region, capacity dropped to 12.9% on Wednesday.

Los Angeles County’s rate of deaths has overall been significantly higher than the Bay Area’s, and that difference has become even more striking in the current surge.

In particular, San Francisco has had one of the lowest mortality rates of all urban centers in the U.S. . . . . Current projections estimate that San Francisco will finish the month with a rate of 2.7 deaths per 100,000 people, and Los Angeles will reach a rate of 15 for December.

Los Angeles is, of course, a bigger metropolis than the Bay Area. Jeffrey Martin, a professor of epidemiology and biostatistics at UCSF, said that really matters when health officials are faced with messaging safety precautions to millions more people.

Los Angeles also is surrounded by huge counties that have high case rates, and have had varying responses to health orders. Next door in Orange County, Huntington Beach has made headlines as a gathering place for locals to demonstrate their resistance to mask orders and other pandemic restriction-enforcement measures. Orange County’s case rate currently is 55.2 per 100,000 people, and its test positivity rate is 13.2%.

Neighboring San Bernardino’s case rate is 120.3 per 100,000 people, with a 20.1% test positivity rate. Riverside has a 92.2 case rate and 18.5% positive test rate.

The high rates across Southern California likely are contributing to spread not just within the region, but the entire state . . . .

. . . Southern California’s demographics mean there’s a larger percentage of the population who are at high risk for getting the virus.

According to 2019 estimates from the U.S. Census, about 10% of San Francisco residents were living in poverty, and 5% of individuals under 65 were without health insurance. In Los Angeles County, 13% of residents were living in poverty, and 10% of people younger than 65 didn’t have health insurance.

Racial disparities in who is most likely to get the virus have existed across the country since the beginning of the pandemic, with Black and Latino communities being harmed by the virus at higher rates.

In Los Angeles, 49% of the population are Latino. Los Angeles reports that 42% of total cases have been in the Latino community, but the county also reports about 32% of cases where ethnicity is unknown.

In late summer, Los Angeles began making progress in reversing racial disparity among communities of color. However, recent data shows backtracking on that progress: Cases in the Latino community are now twice that of cases in the white population, and Latino residents are hospitalized at three times the rate of white residents. On Tuesday, Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti sent mobile testing teams to predominantly Latino and Black neighborhoods that have seen explosive infection growth in recent weeks.

The Bay Area’s Latino community also has been disproportionately impacted by the virus. The Latino community here makes up about 19.4% of the population, but has accounted for 48% of coronavirus cases since the outset of the pandemic. San Francisco’s Latino community is 15% of the population, but 44.5% of cases.

Yet counties in the Bay Area appear to have had more success as the pandemic progressed in targeting testing to those communities.

The state’s health equity metric tracks the test positivity rate in the most disadvantaged neighborhoods to ensure they don’t lag behind a county’s overall positive test rate. San Francisco’s metric is currently 5% vs. its overall test positivity rate of 3%. Santa Clara County has the highest health equity metric in the Bay Area at 12.8%, vs. its overall rate of 7.3%. Los Angeles County’s is 17%, vs. 11.4% overall . . . .

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Pedestrian Dec 18, 2020 9:50 PM

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The front line in the lobby: NYC’s building workers protect residents and themselves
Published: Dec. 18, 2020 at 1:46 p.m. ET
By Ellis Henican

It’s been a year unlike any other for the doormen, supers, porters, engineers and others who staff New York City’s rental, condo and co-op buildings, the frontline workers who stand between millions of anxious residents and an increasingly infected city. These jobs have gotten far more difficult and far more dangerous in this time of COVID-19, even if some well-heeled families are still hiding out in the Hamptons, the Hudson Valley or South Florida.

“Definitely, definitely,” said Kenny Ortiz, the day-shift doorman at a high-rise, high-service, high-amenity building on Central Park West. “The job has changed a lot. We’ve been asked to do all kinds of things we didn’t used to do.”

Such as?

“We have to make sure the people have masks on and the hand sanitizers are full and the wipes are there and the area is clean, and make sure only two or three people are inside the elevators,” said Ortiz, who is 38 and looks after four children when he gets off work every afternoon at 3 p.m.

“There are more duties so there’s more work. We take up every single box that comes in. Before, the delivery guys did. Now, we wipe down the boxes and we bring them up to the apartments. We have to make sure we have the names of all the people coming into the building and make sure they’re checked in correctly. We have to start cleaning the gym.”

None of which he minds, said Ortiz, who spent 15 years as a concierge before switching to doorman to get the day shift. Most people understand the threat now and how to combat it far better than they did when the first coronavirus wave hit New York in the spring . . . .

One of New York’s very first COVID-19 casualties, back in March, was Juan Sanabria, a beloved 52-year-old doorman at 860 Grand Concourse in the Bronx. His life and death provoked a heart-wrenching 3,584-word feature in the New Yorker and helped define the exploding viral tragedy. The death reports had finally slowed a bit. But with the sharp rise in cold-weather cases, no one can say what’s coming next . . . .

“COVID changed our game,” said Jimmy Brennan, the resident manager of a co-op building on Fifth Avenue in the 70s. “We are in such close proximity to shareholders and tenants. We’re in their homes. We’re in elevators. We’re changing a lightbulb, fixing a toilet seat. Whatever their day-to-day needs are. More so than police or firemen. Maybe not as much as medical workers or EMS, but it’s no surprise that our industry had such a high fatality rate in the first wave. We’ve been right there all along.”

Will this time be better?

“We were not masked up when COVID hit the first time,” Brennan said. “It wasn’t commonplace to see a doorman with a mask or a handyman with a mask for eight hours. Not having masks before, when many first responders did, I think that did lead to a higher fatality rate. This time around, I believe that the mask may end up being part of the new uniform. I do think we’re in a better place now.”
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It's not just in NY. It's similar in my building in SF except we only let one person at a time in the elevator.

10023 Jan 5, 2021 7:54 PM

It’s like a grey, wet and dark prison.

I had to stay over Christmas for family reasons but am planning to de-camp for somewhere in the free world soon, perhaps Miami. I’ve got an offer of a place to stay in Jackson Hole which is an option as well.

iheartthed Jan 5, 2021 8:24 PM

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Originally Posted by 10023 (Post 9150064)
It’s like a grey, wet and dark prison.

I had to stay over Christmas for family reasons but am planning to de-camp for somewhere in the free world soon, perhaps Miami. I’ve got an offer of a place to stay in Jackson Hole which is an option as well.

If you all had did what they told you almost a year ago, you wouldn't be in this situation.

the urban politician Jan 5, 2021 9:00 PM

The Macy's in Water Tower Place Magnificent Mile is closing.

Yay for COVID!

Yuri Jan 5, 2021 9:51 PM

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Originally Posted by 10023 (Post 9150064)
It’s like a grey, wet and dark prison.

I had to stay over Christmas for family reasons but am planning to de-camp for somewhere in the free world soon, perhaps Miami. I’ve got an offer of a place to stay in Jackson Hole which is an option as well.

A tragedy indeed. You're all over the place, saying/bragging on how you can freely jump across oceans, continents, beaches, ski resorts while complaining on how unfair life is. My thoughts are with you.

10023 Jan 5, 2021 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by yuriandrade (Post 9150219)
A tragedy indeed. You're all over the place, saying/bragging on how you can freely jump across oceans, continents, beaches, ski resorts while complaining on how unfair life is. My thoughts are with you.

Well, I would rather not have to spend thousands of dollars on travel and accommodation in order to not be imprisoned for 3 months, but in the current circumstances I do intend to get some use out of my US passport (and the annual tax filings that it requires).

10023 Jan 5, 2021 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by iheartthed (Post 9150103)
If you all had did what they told you almost a year ago, you wouldn't be in this situation.

People did what they were told. At least I did. We had a proper lockdown here for months, which few people in the US experienced.

It doesn’t matter, and lockdowns don’t work. Look at countries like Italy and Spain, which had severe lockdowns (needing written authorization to leave home, etc). The virus made a resurgence as the weather got colder just as everyone had predicted it would months earlier.

Countries that have done relatively well (like a few in East Asia) have done so for very different reasons, some cultural, but probably also including a degree of genetics or pre-existing resistance due to community exposure to similar coronaviruses like SARS. Japan has never locked down and never had to. People just aren’t getting sick.

Yuri Jan 5, 2021 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by 10023 (Post 9150297)
Well, I would rather not have to spend thousands of dollars on travel and accommodation in order to not be imprisoned for 3 months, but in the current circumstances I do intend to get some use out of my US passport (and the annual tax filings that it requires).

Yes, it's very unfortunate to have thousands of dollars to burn when things get dull or being able to leave behind all those mundane stuff such as a job, bills, etc.


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