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Pedestrian Oct 30, 2020 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Acajack (Post 9090099)
Most people are still on board to play along with the restrictions, but as I've said elsewhere on this board there is less and less sand in the top part of the hourglass.

Restaurateurs and bar owners in our neighbouring province of Ontario lobbied for and won permission to keep patios open all winter with semi-open tents and heaters. Areas like the Byward Market in Ottawa just across the river from me are a sea of white tents with heaters. (Here in Quebec even in this is not allowed. So restaurants can only offer takeout.)

Anyway, the expectation in Ontario is that at least some patrons would continue to come and dine and especially drink in heated "outdoor" spaces.

On Radio-Canada today there was a report about how most of these heated outdoor spaces were deserted. This was on a decent day when the temperature was 5-6C so around 45F. It was mentioned that the cost of heating was actually quite high and many businesses found it wasn't worth it for the handful of customers they'd get over an entire day.

So my guess is that outdoor heated patios aren't really going to be a thing (and be much help to businesses), as we're not even close to the coldest part of the winter yet.

My wife and I actually crossed over to Ottawa to have drinks at some of these places over the weekend. It wasn't unpleasant but not something we'd do regularly. Or maybe it just takes some getting used to? This was a weekend afternoon so the patios were busier. Definitely deserted but not even close to being full.

In 3 weeks I'm going back to Tucson. The interesting thing will be that the fall/winter/early spring are the most pleasant seasons to be outdoors there and I wish the restaurants would make a serious effort at outdoor dining like in San Francisco where just about every place now has a "parklet" dining space replacing the parking spots out front (in SF it won't get that cold and the spaces are mostly covered with heaters). But when I left last June, the best available was take-out and some places had just closed. Nobody was really doing outdoor dining but it was wicked hot.

I also hope mask wearing has been better accepted. As of May, there still were too many people refusing--mostly as a political statement--to wear them such that I felt uncomfortable going out where there were signficant numbers of other people. I did my grocery shopping in the evening an hour before store closing when they were mostly empty (in SF, I have almost everything delivered but that didn't work too well in Tucson--Instacart had hired a bunch of kids who had probably never shopped for groceries before in their lives). I put off having my second car's oil change because when I did the first one the two other people in the waiting area were unmasked and it was 105 degrees F outdoors so I didn't want to wait outside. Also putting off the dentist and the optometrist annual visits.

craigs Oct 30, 2020 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by 10023 (Post 9090024)
With the current social distancing rules in London we might as well be in full lockdown. It is not enjoyable to go out.

Thoughts 'n' prayers that you can somehow survive a less enjoyable nightlife.

Pedestrian Oct 30, 2020 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Qubert (Post 9090633)
/\/\/\ .....All these anecdotes about WFH turning into being on call 24/7 might be the only thing that would put the brakes on this whole endeavor. A lot of bosses are going to assume that if your work is "at home" then whenever you're home you are "at work".

A number of other things are going to "put the brake on it".

A ways back I posted an article about many tech companies reducing salaries for WFH employees and those working in places other than the SF headquarters by about 15%. Then there's the likely fact that if the boss never sees you, he isn't going to think of you when it comes time to replace your boss or otherwise promote. And finally, I would think these 20-something workers would just like the socialization that happens with peers in the office, especially when there's foosball, free food and dog grooming and all the other goodies the tech industry became known for pre-COVID.

chris08876 Oct 31, 2020 3:53 AM

As if nightlife is the only source of entertainment or fun.

Expand the horizons! :wiseman:

Too many weak minded folks out there. If people are bored during the lockdowns, might be a good time to expand the horizons and discover some new sources of fun or entertainment. Expand the minds entertainment preference portfolio.

There is more to life than bars and getting f'd up on alcohol.

This will all be over in time. Until than, might be a good time to discover a new hobbies or outlook on something new... as some folks did during the 1st wave.

Steely Dan Oct 31, 2020 4:59 AM

^ If anyone is truly bored during all of this covid bullshit, just make some kids.

I guarantee you that you will NOT be bored if you do.

You might become exhausted, irritated, angered, and broke, but at least you won't be bored anymore. ;)




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Originally Posted by craigs (Post 9090670)
Thoughts 'n' prayers that you can somehow survive a less enjoyable nightlife.

Yeah, my heart just aches for 10023's suffering through all of this.

How unfair life has been to him.

Let's never forget the real victims.

Make it right, Pizza God, make it right!

10023 Oct 31, 2020 7:56 AM

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Originally Posted by craigs (Post 9090670)
Thoughts 'n' prayers that you can somehow survive a less enjoyable nightlife.

Why does everyone have to be such a patronising dickhead?

Do you enjoy waking up, going to work, coming home, going to bed, and repeating as infinitum?

Because there is not really anything else to do.

N90 Oct 31, 2020 9:30 AM

Supposedly former retail store spaces in NYC and other US cities are being converted into senior housing. I’m not against the idea but wouldn’t former commercial areas be too loud and invasive for senior housing?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nyt...pment.amp.html

suburbanite Oct 31, 2020 1:15 PM

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Originally Posted by chris08876 (Post 9090822)
As if nightlife is the only source of entertainment or fun.

Expand the horizons! :wiseman:

Too many weak minded folks out there. If people are bored during the lockdowns, might be a good time to expand the horizons and discover some new sources of fun or entertainment. Expand the minds entertainment preference portfolio.

There is more to life than bars and getting f'd up on alcohol.

This will all be over in time. Until than, might be a good time to discover a new hobbies or outlook on something new... as some folks did during the 1st wave.


There are obviously other things to do, but life is about balance. Most people's personalities aren't conducive to getting fucked up every single night for eight months, and on the flip side, neither do they want to stay inside or in groups of four for eight months straight.

I'm fine accepting what we need to do to manage caseloads, but there isnt really a Covid equivalent to taking some MDMA and partying with hundreds of people until 4 am. My plan is just to work my ass off for this winter, and take a leave of absence to South America or thr Pacific party islands when the vaccine is out and life gets back to normal.

Crawford Oct 31, 2020 1:21 PM

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Originally Posted by N90 (Post 9090904)
Supposedly former retail store spaces in NYC and other US cities are being converted into senior housing. I’m not against the idea but wouldn’t former commercial areas be too loud and invasive for senior housing?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nyt...pment.amp.html

There's no mention of NYC in this article.

And they're talking about dead retail in sprawl being demolished for new construction replacement, including senior housing, which is a trend that long predates the pandemic.

The U.S. has too much big box retail space, and not enough senior housing, so, yeah, the trend makes sense.

Crawford Oct 31, 2020 1:25 PM

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Originally Posted by 10023 (Post 9090895)
Why does everyone have to be such a patronising dickhead?

Do you enjoy waking up, going to work, coming home, going to bed, and repeating as infinitum?

Because there is not really anything else to do.

If you have kids, you're kept busy during the pandemic.

But I agree this totally sucks, and work is now endless and 24/7, and neither my wife or I have the type of jobs that formerly require such herculean dedication. My wife was working till 1 AM last night, which is typical 2-3 days a week lately.

Cannot wait till vaccine and semi-normalcy ensues.

chris08876 Oct 31, 2020 1:35 PM

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Originally Posted by suburbanite (Post 9090957)
There are obviously other things to do, but life is about balance. Most people's personalities aren't conducive to getting fucked up every single night for eight months, and on the flip side, neither do they want to stay inside or in groups of four for eight months straight.

I'm fine accepting what we need to do to manage caseloads, but there isnt really a Covid equivalent to taking some MDMA and partying with hundreds of people until 4 am. My plan is just to work my ass off for this winter, and take a leave of absence to South America or thr Pacific party islands when the vaccine is out and life gets back to normal.

Of course its about balance, but its kind of insane how undisciplined folks are. I'm speaking in general here, not towards anybody, but to society as a whole. Life will return to normal eventually, but man are people impatient. People are busy messing it up for others, causing cases to rise via irresponsible conduct. A big sense of entitlement.

Its a short term sacrifice to help save potentially millions of lives globally, and people are just botching it up. The vaccine will be here in time, soon in the grand scheme of things, and than life will return to normal.

What this pandemic has shown us is that when real shit hits the fan, some places are not ready AT ALL.

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Originally Posted by Crawford (Post 9090964)
If you have kids, you're kept busy during the pandemic.

But I agree this totally sucks, and work is now endless and 24/7, and neither my wife or I have the type of jobs that formerly require such herculean dedication. My wife was working till 1 AM last night, which is typical 2-3 days a week lately.

Cannot wait till vaccine and semi-normalcy ensues.

At least your disciplined. Doing the right thing... waiting it out. Not being reckless in your conduct.

Minato Ku Oct 31, 2020 2:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Crawford (Post 9090964)
If you have kids, you're kept busy during the pandemic.

But I agree this totally sucks, and work is now endless and 24/7, and neither my wife or I have the type of jobs that formerly require such herculean dedication. My wife was working till 1 AM last night, which is typical 2-3 days a week lately.

Cannot wait till vaccine and semi-normalcy ensues.

I like to have a commute between work and my home. It creates a break between my professional and my private life.
I like to have a clear separation between both.

On friday afternnon it wasn't so unusual for me to walk from my office to my home, a healthy two hours walk (it could be faster but I often took some detours).

I find working from home is quite unbearable (hyperbole :D), I'm doing work related thing much later than I usually do because the separation between work and home isn't there anymore.

Steely Dan Oct 31, 2020 2:50 PM

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Originally Posted by 10023 (Post 9090895)
Why does everyone have to be such a patronising dickhead?

because your incessant petulant whining about this situation is worthy of some ridicule.

yes, this has not been the easiest, most comfortable season of life for many, many people, but when has whining ever made a situation better?

i'm still jobless going on 7 months now, and i do worry about if/when i might ever find permanent employment in my field again, but i'm still ever so grateful for all of the many blessings in my life.


It's about perspective; try to acquire some.

JManc Oct 31, 2020 3:23 PM

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Originally Posted by 10023 (Post 9090895)
Why does everyone have to be such a patronising dickhead?

Do you enjoy waking up, going to work, coming home, going to bed, and repeating as infinitum?

Because there is not really anything else to do.

It does suck but like Steely mentioned, this has impacted everyone and not in a good way. We're all mostly stuck at home, forced to social distance, cut off from friends and family and some without incomes and livelihoods. The little things like going to a bar (which I miss dearly) seem almost trivial right now with every that's going on. I do hope normalcy can resume sooner rather than later because it will have adverse effects on mental health if this drags out another six months to a year.

destroycreate Oct 31, 2020 5:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Stay Stoked Brah (Post 9090532)
Unless you're working for yourself, that's too much. it might be time to start looking for a new job.

Of course it's too much. However I work in online advertising, and my industry has taken a huge hit. Jobs are very scarce. It's not worth the risk for me right now to jump to another company, only to be laid off because "first in first out".

Never in my life would I have justified working these kinds of hours but like I said, most of us don't really have a choice. Whatever we have to do to keep health insurance and a paycheck right now...I only have $1500 in savings (after paying off credit card debt for years...luckily free of it now). My goal is to save $1500 for the next 6 months so I can finally have some peace of mind.

Emprise du Lion Oct 31, 2020 6:44 PM

The St. Louis metro area is completely trifurcated in terms what restrictions, if any, are in place.

The city and St. Louis County are some of the only places in the entire State of Missouri even attempting to somewhat take things seriously. Bars and restaurants are currently capped at 50% capacity with a 11 pm curfew for them in the city and 10 pm in the county. Some places have closed for the winter, but others are trying to make the most out of their patios while they still can. It feels somewhat normal.

The rest of the Missouri counties in metro St. Louis are a free for all.

Over in the Illinois, the Metro East just slipped back a phase for the second time, so indoor dining is banned by order of the governor. This time, however, many bars and restaurants aren't following the orders, and some of the State's Attorney's Offices are dismissing the citations issued by the State Police. Whether Illinois goes to the next level and starts pulling liquor licenses remains to be seen.

Finally our area hospitals are reaching capacity again because when people get sick in rural Missouri they come here since we have the "good" hospitals, so that's great. The medical community is currently in full panic mode because of the increases.

So in short, things are open but it's starting to feel like we're on a rollercoaster nearing the top right before the drop.

C. Nov 1, 2020 2:24 PM

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Originally Posted by N90 (Post 9090904)
Supposedly former retail store spaces in NYC and other US cities are being converted into senior housing. I’m not against the idea but wouldn’t former commercial areas be too loud and invasive for senior housing?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nyt...pment.amp.html

Better than homelessness, I suppose.

10023 Nov 1, 2020 2:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Crawford (Post 9090964)
If you have kids, you're kept busy during the pandemic.

But I agree this totally sucks, and work is now endless and 24/7, and neither my wife or I have the type of jobs that formerly require such herculean dedication. My wife was working till 1 AM last night, which is typical 2-3 days a week lately.

Cannot wait till vaccine and semi-normalcy ensues.

You will be waiting for a long time.

Even if a vaccine is approved early next year, there will be a very cautious approach taken given unclear effectiveness. This social distancing bullshit is going to ruin 2021 as well.

the urban politician Nov 1, 2020 3:49 PM

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Originally Posted by 10023 (Post 9091754)
You will be waiting for a long time.

Even if a vaccine is approved early next year, there will be a very cautious approach taken given unclear effectiveness. This social distancing bullshit is going to ruin 2021 as well.

I would agree.

I’m with most of the others here that 10023 is complaining way too much, but there is one distinct matter where I think his concerns may have merit:

Our Governors have been doing a lot of goal post moving over the past 7 months. It is frustrating, and they are playing with people’s livelihoods and mental well being. I think it is very unfortunate.

For example, in Illinois the final phase is “Illinois restored” defined by a vaccine being available, and hence an end to the pandemic (and these emergency powers that Governors have so readily taken unto themselves). Mark my words that even after the FDA approves a vaccine, Governor Pritzker is going to be out with “Well, our own State health authorities need to review the data” followed by “We can’t back down my measures until X number of people receive the vaccine” and Lord knows what other new criteria.

It will drag on and on, and if everything isn’t spik or span perfect, the emergency pandemic orders will continue to drag out. Business owners and shopkeepers will continue to be held under, and I suspect the public will grow increasingly frustrated and angry over the uncertainty of it all.

Centropolis Nov 1, 2020 3:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Emprise du Lion (Post 9091207)
The St. Louis metro area is completely trifurcated in terms what restrictions, if any, are in place.

The city and St. Louis County are some of the only places in the entire State of Missouri even attempting to somewhat take things seriously. Bars and restaurants are currently capped at 50% capacity with a 11 pm curfew for them in the city and 10 pm in the county. Some places have closed for the winter, but others are trying to make the most out of their patios while they still can. It feels somewhat normal. u

The rest of the Missouri counties in metro St. Louis are a free for all.

Over in the Illinois, the Metro East just slipped back a phase for the second time, so indoor dining is banned by order of the governor. This time, however, many bars and restaurants aren't following the orders, and some of the State's Attorney's Offices are dismissing the citations issued by the State Police. Whether Illinois goes to the next level and starts pulling liquor licenses remains to be seen.

Finally our area hospitals are reaching capacity again because when people get sick in rural Missouri they come here since we have the "good" hospitals, so that's great. The medical community is currently in full panic mode because of the increases.

So in short, things are open but it's starting to feel like we're on a rollercoaster nearing the top right before the drop.

every evening lately that i’ve passed cafe napoli in downtown clayton the divorceé set has been raging inside and out, with a PACKED patio. it looked even busier than pre-covid on a nice weeknight recently.

people are wearing masks but also i think covid is on track to be normalized as another occupational hazard of modern life like automobile accidents, with an asterisk.

Stay Stoked Brah Nov 1, 2020 4:05 PM

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Originally Posted by the urban politician (Post 9091795)
I would agree.

I’m with most of the others here that 10023 is complaining way too much, but there is one distinct matter where I think his concerns may have merit:

Our Governors have been doing a lot of goal post moving over the past 7 months. It is frustrating, and they are playing with people’s livelihoods and mental well being. I think it is very unfortunate.

For example, in Illinois the final phase is “Illinois restored” defined by a vaccine being available, and hence an end to the pandemic (and these emergency powers that Governors have so readily taken unto themselves). Mark my words that even after the FDA approves a vaccine, Governor Pritzker is going to be out with “Well, our own State health authorities need to review the data” followed by “We can’t back down my measures until X number of people receive the vaccine” and Lord knows what other new criteria.

It will drag on and on, and if everything isn’t spik or span perfect, the emergency pandemic orders will continue to drag out. Business owners and shopkeepers will continue to be held under, and I suspect the public will grow increasingly frustrated and angry over the uncertainty of it all.

re: moving goal posts:
there are some people in government that are saying we won't return to normalcy until there are zero cases. zero cases?! there is a good possibility that a vaccine if and when it arrives, won't be a cure all. everybody is banking on a vaccine that may or may not be effective. the best situation is that this virus mutates out of existence and burns out after a year or two, like the Spanish flu, honk kong flu, asian flu, swine flu have done.

TWAK Nov 1, 2020 4:53 PM

So have any of you seen NEW businesses open in your area since covid started? I have...
I say area since I don't live in a city.

suburbanite Nov 1, 2020 5:04 PM

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Originally Posted by TWAK (Post 9091874)
So have any of you seen NEW businesses open in your area since covid started? I have...
I say area since I don't live in a city.

Cannabis retailers lol. I've only been a few times but they're always busy and one business probably benefiting from people being stuck inside all the time.

iheartthed Nov 1, 2020 8:17 PM

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Originally Posted by TWAK (Post 9091874)
So have any of you seen NEW businesses open in your area since covid started? I have...
I say area since I don't live in a city.

A new restaurant opened nearby that replaced a business that shut because of COVID.

Centropolis Nov 1, 2020 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by suburbanite (Post 9091886)
Cannabis retailers lol. I've only been a few times but they're always busy and one business probably benefiting from people being stuck inside all the time.

same here. missouri cannabis sales and production is coming online now. we have a law like californias old law (“medical” but really loose) and are allowing way more licenses than illinois so i’m seeing a lot of cannabis shops opening.

10023 Nov 3, 2020 4:09 AM

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Originally Posted by JManc (Post 9091021)
It does suck but like Steely mentioned, this has impacted everyone and not in a good way. We're all mostly stuck at home, forced to social distance, cut off from friends and family and some without incomes and livelihoods. The little things like going to a bar (which I miss dearly) seem almost trivial right now with every that's going on. I do hope normalcy can resume sooner rather than later because it will have adverse effects on mental health if this drags out another six months to a year.

Yes. It has made life not worth living.

A life that it not worth living for tens or hundreds of millions, in exchange for adding at most a few years to the lives of the very old. It’s not a good trade.

And it will be another six months or year, unless the consensus view shifts toward what I have been suggesting. There will not be a clearly effective, widely available vaccine that will make the experts comfortable with normal social interaction in less than a year, or even two.

craigs Nov 3, 2020 4:38 AM

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Originally Posted by 10023 (Post 9093468)
Yes. It has made life not worth living.

What a drama queen.

LA21st Nov 3, 2020 5:22 AM

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Originally Posted by chris08876 (Post 9090822)
As if nightlife is the only source of entertainment or fun.

Expand the horizons! :wiseman:

Too many weak minded folks out there. If people are bored during the lockdowns, might be a good time to expand the horizons and discover some new sources of fun or entertainment. Expand the minds entertainment preference portfolio.

There is more to life than bars and getting f'd up on alcohol.

This will all be over in time. Until than, might be a good time to discover a new hobbies or outlook on something new... as some folks did during the 1st wave.

I hike my ass off with the extra time. Not everything is shit.

Buckeye Native 001 Nov 3, 2020 6:41 AM

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Originally Posted by LA21st (Post 9093524)
I hike my ass off with the extra time. Not everything is shit.

What's considered shitty about this current state of the world is relative. It is indeed shit for damn near everyone, to varying degrees, at the moment and will probably continue to be so for the foreseeable future.

What I personally despise is the belief that some people's lives are worth more than others, and acting like that gives them the right to satiate their whims and pleasures at the expense of everyone else who isn't as fortunate, socioeconomically and physically.

There's more to people than their insurance's actuarial assessments/risks. It also assumes that there's a "right way" to be fulfilled in life and the pursuit of enjoyment, as if whatever everyone else does that they consider to be fulfilling and enjoyable is wrong.

I'm thinking of Steely and his kids, as one example.

Me? I'm just grateful to have a job (for now).

Jesus fuck, I sound like a goddamn college freshman in a fucking philosophy 101 class. I'm sorry.

Pedestrian Nov 3, 2020 6:51 AM

^^10023 is wrong on every count.

Pedestrian Nov 3, 2020 6:53 AM

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Originally Posted by craigs (Post 9093502)
What a drama queen.

Glad somebody finally said it. When you’re right, you’re right.

10023 Nov 3, 2020 7:02 AM

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Originally Posted by LA21st (Post 9093524)
I hike my ass off with the extra time. Not everything is shit.

What extra time? Especially during daylight hours.

Life is endless video meetings (but nothing actually gets done - more work and less income), with no release. The weather here is going to be terrible for the next 5 months so there is nothing enjoyable to do outside. And everything from shopping to working out takes much longer.

10023 Nov 3, 2020 7:05 AM

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Originally Posted by craigs (Post 9093502)
What a drama queen.

If life were going to be like this going forward as a “new normal”, as some people say, I would put a bullet in my head tomorrow.

There is a difference between actually living and just existing.

homebucket Nov 3, 2020 7:08 AM

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Originally Posted by 10023 (Post 9093561)
What extra time?

Life is endless video meetings but nothing actually gets done. More work and less income, with no release. The weather here is going to be terrible for the next 5 months so there is nothing enjoyable to do outside. And everything from shopping to working out takes much longer.

Move to LA. Weather is perfect. 24/7/365. Lots of malls and personal trainers in LA too.

Pedestrian Nov 3, 2020 7:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Buckeye Native 001 (Post 9093554)
What's considered shitty about this current state of the world is relative. It is indeed shit for damn near everyone, to varying degrees, at the moment and will probably continue to be so for the foreseeable future.

What I personally despise is the belief that some people's lives are worth more than others, and acting like that gives them the right to satiate their whims and pleasures at the expense of everyone else who isn't as fortunate, socioeconomically and physically.

There's more to people than their insurance's actuarial assessments/risks. It also assumes that there's a "right way" to be fulfilled in life and the pursuit of enjoyment, as if whatever everyone else does that they consider to be fulfilling and enjoyable is wrong.

I'm thinking of Steely and his kids, as one example.

Me? I'm just grateful to have a job (for now).

Jesus fuck, I sound like a goddamn college freshman in a fucking philosophy 101 class. I'm sorry.

I think you sound quite rational and adult but I’ll quarrel with one thing. I don’t think the current “shit” will need to last more than perhaps another 6 months.

My expected timeline:

2 months ( end of 2020) - At least one, maybe 2 vaccines approved for emergency use with 100 million doses (enough for 50 million people) available. Will be given initially to medical people, first responders and the institutionalized (nursing homes, possibly prisons etc). Then as more vaccine is manufactured, those over 65.

5 to 6 months (March) - Three vaccines approved. Immunization of the general public begins with vaccine available to anybody who wants it available by June.

At what point in this scenario the “lockdown” rules can be removed and businesses can be free to operate normally (but with people continuing to wear masks) will be up to local officials but I’d argue once the most vulnerable are protected—say around March—it would make sense to remove restrictions and let people decide for themselves how much risk they want to take. I personally will not be comfortable in crowds, dining indoors or on transit until “herd immunity” suppresses viral transmission to a negligible level. But if I were 20 I think I’d behave differently and once those wanting to be protected have been, I think we should let people take what risks they will.

Buckeye Native 001 Nov 3, 2020 7:14 AM

I have a foul mouth and a pessimistic disposition. Not very adult like. I'm 37, I should know better.

I also can't quantify "foreseeable." Months? A year? I just don't know.

Pedestrian Nov 3, 2020 7:15 AM

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Originally Posted by homebucket (Post 9093563)
Move to LA. Weather is perfect. 24/7/365. Lots of malls and personal trainers in LA too.

Video Link

homebucket Nov 3, 2020 7:24 AM

Outdoor gym life. Doesn’t this look beautiful? Why workout in a poorly ventilated, florescent lit glorified warehouse when you can exercise under these sunny Southern California skies all year round?

Steely Dan Nov 3, 2020 7:44 AM

"NO POLITICS" MEANS NO MOTHERFUCKING POLITICS!

take that shit to the CE toilet.

CaliNative Nov 3, 2020 8:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Stay Stoked Brah (Post 9091806)
re: moving goal posts:
there are some people in government that are saying we won't return to normalcy until there are zero cases. zero cases?! there is a good possibility that a vaccine if and when it arrives, won't be a cure all. everybody is banking on a vaccine that may or may not be effective. the best situation is that this virus mutates out of existence and burns out after a year or two, like the Spanish flu, honk kong flu, asian flu, swine flu have done.

If we get the R0 (viral spread rate) under one, it will go away. The more under one we get it the quicker it goes away. An R0 of one means on average, a sick person infects one other. Cases are static. An R0 of two means that on average a sick person infects two people. Exponential growth. Right now, many states are above one, so we have more cases every week. It is science and math folks.

How do we get the R0 under one? Masks, social distancing and contact tracing. Short term sacrifice, long term gain. PEOPLE (INCLUDING MAGAS), STOP WHINING & STOP DENYING MEDICAL SCIENCE AND PUT ON MASKS. The more people that wear masks, the R0 goes under one & cases dwindle. The countries that did are now back to normal, places like Japan, New Zealand etc. Science.

Pedestrian Nov 3, 2020 8:45 AM

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Originally Posted by CaliNative (Post 9093582)
If we get the R0 (viral spread rate) under one, it will go away. The more under one we get it the quicker it goes away. An R0 of one means on average, a sick person infects one other. Cases are static. An R0 of two means that on average a sick person infects two people. Exponential growth. Right now, many states are above one, so we have more cases every week. It is science and math folks.

You ask how do we get the R0 under one? Masks, social distancing and contact tracing. Short term sacrifice, long term gain. PEOPLE, INCLUDING MAGAS, STOP WHINING & STOP DENYING MEDICAL SCIENCE AND PUT ON MASKS. The more people that wear masks and do social distancing the R0 goes under one & cases dwindle. If 90% wore a mask when in public, within a few weeks we would see huge improvement and in 6 months we would be essentially virus free like New Zealand. New York did it last Spring and it ended the exponential phase. Science.

Many scientists don't think that's likely to happen without a vaccine. I suspect they are right. Masks and the rest help some and are essential as long as they are all we've got, but they probably aren't enough to do more than slow down the spread (what we used to call "flatten the curve"). Somewhere pages back I posted a lengthy treatise on why we probably can't reach "herd immunity" without a vaccine and "herd immunity" is the essential condition for an R0 low enough to result in negligible spread.

CaliNative Nov 3, 2020 9:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Stay Stoked Brah (Post 9091806)
re: moving goal posts:
there are some people in government that are saying we won't return to normalcy until there are zero cases. zero cases?! there is a good possibility that a vaccine if and when it arrives, won't be a cure all. everybody is banking on a vaccine that may or may not be effective. the best situation is that this virus mutates out of existence and burns out after a year or two, like the Spanish flu, honk kong flu, asian flu, swine flu have done.

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Originally Posted by Pedestrian (Post 9093589)
Many scientists don't think that's likely to happen without a vaccine. I suspect they are right. Masks and the rest help some and are essential as long as they are all we've got, but they probably aren't enough to do more than slow down the spread (what we used to call "flatten the curve"). Somewhere pages back I posted a lengthy treatise on why we probably can't reach "herd immunity" without a vaccine and "herd immunity" is the essential condition for an R0 low enough to result in negligible spread.

It worked for Japan, New Zealand, China, etc. They have bought themselves time for the vaccine. Jeez, you're an MD. Preach the merits of masks to the public. Of course if we had enough N95s it would be much better. These anti maskers act like a mask is the mark of the beast. How did America get so stupid? A mask is a spread reducer. It lowers the R0 and spread rate. I just wish they were all N95s but in a pinch a surgical or cloth mask does reduce spread. If close to 100% wore effective masks, I do believe it would make cases dwindle to almost nothing, "bend the curve" to almost zero in a few months. In theory, near 100% mask use and adequate social distancing could drive a virus to near extinction even without a vaccine and enough therapeutics. A decent vaccine is sometimes only 70 or 80% effective. A good mask is at least that effective and an N95 much better. Masks are what we have now. A mask law is needed.

JManc Nov 3, 2020 9:59 AM

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Originally Posted by 10023 (Post 9093562)
If life were going to be like this going forward as a “new normal”, as some people say, I would put a bullet in my head tomorrow.

There is a difference between actually living and just existing.

We're all going through same thing and it fucking sucks but healthy/ rational people don't aren't contemplating suicide. You probably should talk to someone.

mrnyc Nov 3, 2020 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by 10023 (Post 9093562)
If life were going to be like this going forward as a “new normal”, as some people say, I would put a bullet in my head tomorrow.

There is a difference between actually living and just existing.


time to quit larping, go upstairs, get some fresh air and talk to your mom. and i’m sure there is a helpline in peoria you could call.

glowrock Nov 3, 2020 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by JManc (Post 9093605)
We're all going through same thing and it fucking sucks but healthy/ rational people don't aren't contemplating suicide. You probably should talk to someone.

Not entirely true, JManc. I agree that 10023 is a melodramatic queen in the way he's acting, but even "normal" people of all types are likely having at least fleeting thoughts of suicide by now. I can tell you I've had a few passing thoughts during this pandemic, and I know damned well I'm not

Life's been turned upside down and sideways the last 8 months or so, and add in the economic and political stress everyone's facing, you're looking at psychological issues running rampant through society. Once we actually start to agree on what needs to happen in order to slowly re-open everything (I'd say a working vaccine), along with a workable timeline, I think most of us will start to emotionally heal.

Aaron (Glowrock)

Acajack Nov 3, 2020 1:59 PM

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Originally Posted by glowrock (Post 9093645)
Not entirely true, JManc. I agree that 10023 is a melodramatic queen in the way he's acting, but even "normal" people of all types are likely having at least fleeting thoughts of suicide by now. I can tell you I've had a few passing thoughts during this pandemic, and I know damned well I'm not

Life's been turned upside down and sideways the last 8 months or so, and add in the economic and political stress everyone's facing, you're looking at psychological issues running rampant through society. Once we actually start to agree on what needs to happen in order to slowly re-open everything (I'd say a working vaccine), along with a workable timeline, I think most of us will start to emotionally heal.

Aaron (Glowrock)

I am not even close to having suicide enter my mind, but even I can admit that this whole thing has changed and continues to change me psychologically.

The isolation and inward-looking may be depressing but it's also a bit of a rut that's very easy to fall into to the point where it become a somber comfort zone of sorts.

I was very very active socially prior to the pandemic, but like a lot of things once you lose the "habit", it's often really hard to get back into it again, and easier to just continue the way you've been going.

I really am starting to wonder if I won't become more of a shut-in going forward as a result of this, and also what the societal impacts of millions of people (likely) doing the same will be.

I have been consciously fighting it but with each passing week and month I am noticing I have less and less fight left in me. Another me is slowly taking over.

the urban politician Nov 3, 2020 2:15 PM

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Originally Posted by 10023 (Post 9093468)
Yes. It has made life not worth living.
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^ Seriously, dude, I hope you're not suicidal over here. If so, I think you should seek some help

kool maudit Nov 3, 2020 3:10 PM

New restrictions in today on the rising caseload (casualties remain very limited). Work-from-home strongly recommended along with avoiding public transport, no groups larger than eight in restaurants. No masks though, and no closures. Expanded support for those unable to work normally.

iheartthed Nov 3, 2020 3:16 PM

If you're having suicidal thoughts, please talk to someone. But if you're just whining about having your life inconvenienced for a few months, please shut up about it. It is beyond ironic that some of your parents and grandparents spent way more time in risking their lives in war zones than you're being asked to sit in the house. And they did it under the pretense of protecting this free lifestyle you're crying about having lost. But your selfish asses can't be inconvenienced just a little bit to save their lives or serve the greater good.

JManc Nov 3, 2020 4:10 PM

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Originally Posted by glowrock (Post 9093645)
Not entirely true, JManc. I agree that 10023 is a melodramatic queen in the way he's acting, but even "normal" people of all types are likely having at least fleeting thoughts of suicide by now. I can tell you I've had a few passing thoughts during this pandemic, and I know damned well I'm not

Life's been turned upside down and sideways the last 8 months or so, and add in the economic and political stress everyone's facing, you're looking at psychological issues running rampant through society. Once we actually start to agree on what needs to happen in order to slowly re-open everything (I'd say a working vaccine), along with a workable timeline, I think most of us will start to emotionally heal.

Aaron (Glowrock)

Suicidal thoughts are not rational thoughts. It is a long term solution to a short term problem and this Covid bullshit is temporary. It's unfortunate that mental health hasn't been made a higher priority or pushed as hard as getting a Covid test or wearing a mask by the media and by public health officials.


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