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10023 Apr 11, 2020 9:46 PM

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Originally Posted by the urban politician (Post 8890710)
I usually don’t agree with your incessant complaining about America, but you are 100% spot on here.

Our society here in the US is definitely both a hypochondriac as well as a finger pointing society. The more they have, the more they act like they are deprived. It’s always about blaming someone. It’s always about “who did this to me? Who’s fault is it?” People want to have a label/scapegoat and an immediate fix for every problem.

And the moral lecturing is spot on.

It’s not a novel idea. America is a nation founded by Puritans, and moral lecturing has been a strain throughout its entire history, from Manifest Destiny through to the Neoconservative project of “spreading democracy” (by force if necessary).

Great country, but let’s call it like it is.

rsbear Apr 11, 2020 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by 10023 (Post 8890981)
It’s not a novel idea. America is a nation founded by Puritans, and moral lecturing has been a strain throughout its entire history, from Manifest Destiny through to the Neoconservative project of “spreading democracy” (by force if necessary).

Great country, but let’s call it like it is.

The Puritans from England...

montréaliste Apr 11, 2020 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by rsbear (Post 8891002)
The Puritans from England...

lawl.

xzmattzx Apr 12, 2020 4:13 AM

I'm not sure if I mentioned it, but Delaware has been halfway closing its borders. Major roads into the state are being guarded by the Delaware State Police, and they are checking license plates and turning around the out-of-state cars. I have not seen the police really turning anyone around on I-295 at the Delaware Memorial Bridge, though. The incident that has gotten the most media attention was that the state police blocked the exit ramp from I-95 onto Naaman's Road, just a few feet after the Pennsylvania border. Right next to the exit ramp is a Total Wine and Home Depot, and Pennsylvanians come to Delaware to shop because we have no sales tax. So, the police were turning around people who were basically trying to get alcohol and home improvement stuff. Another notable thing going on is the the police for the town of Rehoboth Beach are trailing cars with out-of-state license plates and either getting them to leave the town and state, or go back to where they're staying (since we have a mandatory 14-day quarantine for anyone that enters the state).

dave8721 Apr 12, 2020 5:42 AM

The Florida Keys closed their borders to non-residents. Its easy to do logistically as there is just one road in and out but tough on a tourism based economy. It has largely worked though with very few cases showing up in the Keys.

Lear Apr 12, 2020 12:26 PM

Happy Eastern from Berlin !

https://www.maz-online.de/var/storag...er_article.jpg

montréaliste Apr 12, 2020 1:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Lear (Post 8891311)


And a Happy Western to you too!

rsbear Apr 12, 2020 4:01 PM

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Originally Posted by montréaliste (Post 8891319)
And a Happy Western to you too!

LOL!

Thanks for making me laugh this morning. :)

montréaliste Apr 12, 2020 6:34 PM

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Originally Posted by rsbear (Post 8891385)
LOL!

Thanks for making me laugh this morning. :)

Likewise about your Puritan reply.:)

Pedestrian Apr 12, 2020 6:47 PM

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Originally Posted by rsbear (Post 8891002)
The Puritans from England...

The Puritans who RULED England for a while.

Pedestrian Apr 12, 2020 6:48 PM

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Originally Posted by dave8721 (Post 8891254)
The Florida Keys closed their borders to non-residents. Its easy to do logistically as there is just one road in and out but tough on a tourism based economy. It has largely worked though with very few cases showing up in the Keys.

Uh, aren't they surrounded by a lot of water? All you need is a boat.

dc_denizen Apr 12, 2020 7:05 PM

I don’t appreciate the popery on display here

Clearly England took a wrong turn when they deposed James II. An autocratic monarch a la Louis xiv would have put those unruly puritans and methodists and Baptists and Presbyterians in their place and kept England in the one true faith, the holy Roman Catholic Church...

10023 Apr 12, 2020 7:13 PM

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Originally Posted by rsbear (Post 8891002)
The Puritans from England...

That’s why they were kicked out of the country and had to go to Massachusetts. And then American lore casts them as heroes and people in search of religious freedom, when they were really at best a nuisance and at worst a sort of Christian Taliban that the English wanted to be rid of.

montréaliste Apr 12, 2020 7:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Pedestrian (Post 8891524)
I would and do. A large part of its economy is no longer collectively owned. It is certainly authoritarian but Marx and Engels mostly get lip service these days.

Totally.

montréaliste Apr 12, 2020 7:18 PM

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Originally Posted by dc_denizen (Post 8891539)
I don’t appreciate the popery on display here

Clearly England took a wrong turn when they deposed James II. An autocratic monarch a la Louis xiv would have put those unruly puritans and methodists and Baptists and Presbyterians in their place and kept England in the one true faith, the holy Roman Catholic Church...


Less to do with popery, more to do with intolerance on either side. The English had a knack at persecuting fringe religious groups and the Catholics as much as the French had toward the Protestant faith.

montréaliste Apr 12, 2020 7:21 PM

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Originally Posted by 10023 (Post 8891549)
That’s why they were kicked out of the country and had to go to Massachusetts. And then American lore casts them as heroes and people in search of religious freedom, when they were really at best a nuisance and at worst a sort of Christian Taliban that the English wanted to be rid of.

I'll keep it short and sweet; lol

It's hard to disagree with the disagreeableness of the straight and narrow.

dc_denizen Apr 12, 2020 7:24 PM

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Originally Posted by 10023 (Post 8891549)
That’s why they were kicked out of the country and had to go to Massachusetts. And then American lore casts them as heroes and people in search of religious freedom, when they were really at best a nuisance and at worst a sort of Christian Taliban that the English wanted to be rid of.

Cromwell was a Puritan and is still considered by britons to be the most popular and effective leaders in history. Hardly a taliban

And after two decadent kings, the puritans has their revenge as James ii was valiantly deposed in the name of the Protestant faith

Religious freedom, which was a founding cornerstone of the 13 colonies (outside mass) btw hardly applied in the England if you were catholic . Being catholic in England around 1700=Like being a hazara under the taliban

Learn some history, English

Failte Apr 12, 2020 7:32 PM

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Originally Posted by 10023 (Post 8890981)
It’s not a novel idea. America is a nation founded by Puritans, and moral lecturing has been a strain throughout its entire history, from Manifest Destiny through to the Neoconservative project of “spreading democracy” (by force if necessary).

Great country, but let’s call it like it is.

...and what would have happened if the US didn't have ''manifest destiny''?

hauntedheadnc Apr 12, 2020 8:49 PM

I've been noticing it more over the past week or so working from home, but it's gotten to the point that my cats now feel very strongly that nothing in this house can be accomplished without feline assistance and close feline supervision. By this point I would like to laugh in the face of anyone who would describe a cat as aloof or independent.

montréaliste Apr 12, 2020 9:12 PM

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Originally Posted by dc_denizen (Post 8891560)
Cromwell was a Puritan and is still considered by britons to be the most popular and effective leaders in history. Hardly a taliban

And after two decadent kings, the puritans has their revenge as James ii was valiantly deposed in the name of the Protestant faith

Religious freedom, which was a founding cornerstone of the 13 colonies (outside mass) btw hardly applied in the England if you were catholic . Being catholic in England around 1700=Like being a hazara under the taliban

Learn some history, English


Axe the Irish Catholics how they feel about Cromwell. It might add a little twist to your take on history.

montréaliste Apr 12, 2020 9:21 PM

On another note, I've been dreaming of getting a tattoo, some scarification, a couple of rings sticking from my nose, and why not, a few implants, maybe horns on my forehead to complete the picture.

I wonder if there are any emergency tattoo parlors open, at least one deemed essential by the powers that be, in my community.

I just can't stand the thought of not having at least one tattoo!!!


What is going to happen to all those parlors when this crisis is over?

Will it mean a decline or a resurgence of this trend?

Pedestrian Apr 12, 2020 9:44 PM

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Originally Posted by montréaliste (Post 8891553)
Less to do with popery, more to do with intolerance on either side. The English had a knack at persecuting fringe religious groups and the Catholics as much as the French had toward the Protestant faith.

But Charles I, in 1632, gave the Catholics, in the person of Sir George Calvert, the future state of Maryland, so there's that. What did the French ever give the Protestants (aside from death)?

As for the house cat, yeah--she does seem to have gotten more clingy, following me around whining which is unusual for her.

montréaliste Apr 12, 2020 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Pedestrian (Post 8891699)
But Charles I, in 1632, gave the Catholics, in the person of Sir George Calvert, the future state of Maryland, so there's that. What did the French ever give the Protestants (aside from death)?

As for the house cat, yeah--she does seem to have gotten more clingy, following me around whining which is unusual for her.



Emancipation laws (for Catholics and Jews) under Napoleon happened in 1802, while in the United Kingdom, (for Catholics and Jews), they happened in 1829.

Matthew Apr 12, 2020 10:20 PM

I see many discussions on cats preventing people from working. If you have young children, they go through the house finding things and insist on showing them to you, as if they found an amazing treasure. They always seem to find the worst time to do this. Like when you're talking with someone though video chat. Even on these forums, sometimes it can take a while for me to post, due to this. I only have one. I can't imagine what it's like with two or three. They also like to make repetitive noises and turn-on things and walk out of the room, including water. And if you think something is out-of-reach, they will surprise you.

There is nothing like spending Easter waiting for severe thunderstorms to arrive. It's foggy and somewhat cool outside. My wife Lauren so desperately wants to leave the house. She speaks of her favorite closed restaurants and places she wants to go almost every day. There is nothing to do and no where to go. I guess I've just accepted it. We haven't been to the city (Atlanta) in a long time and I do miss not going into the city. At least we didn't have to go out for most of pollen season.

In the northeastern suburbs of Atlanta, I would roughly estimate only 35% of store customers wear a mask. I've seen one food delivery driver without a mask. Most store employees wear them now. The cleanest store is Publix. My wife was nearly run-over with a shopping cart while picking-up a pack of toilet paper. If you find it, be aware people are prepared to nearly fight over it. She was inspecting her favorite shoes after the incident. So many people aren't social distancing. I haven't been to the stores since they started one-way shopping. In the mountains of Northern Georgia, the locals are trying to close tourist attractions and make it clear they don't want people from hot spots visiting their counties. They asked the Governor to close state parks. Some have talked about how difficult it is to get food and supplies up there and don't want outsiders buying out their stores, too. It's an interesting time and I'm sure we will one day have great stories to tell.

mousquet Apr 13, 2020 6:42 PM

Psst, this whole debate about churches is merely pointless.

Jesus never really trusted any 'religious' or political establishment. He only trusted in endless space and infinity.
That's why they wanted him dead. They all were so jealous about him. Then they all died from envy and jealousy at him, while He never died.

The Lord understood everything about life way sooner than anyone of us ever did. It will yet take thousands of years for us to figure it out.

Notice that contemporary Jews or Romans have nothing much to do with it. They only bear it as a motherfucking burden.

Mankind is full of sin anyway. The fact that you'd be Jewish, Muslim, supposedly Christian, Chinese, Black, White or whatever is simply meaningless.
I don't give a fuck what you say. Only the Lord is true dope.

sopas ej Apr 13, 2020 8:14 PM

From ABC7 Los Angeles:

CA commissioner orders insurers to refund premiums to drivers amid coronavirus pandemic
California Insurance Commissioner Ricardo Lara ordered insurance companies to return premiums paid for at least March and April. It will extend through May if stay-at-home restrictions continue.

Updated 2 hours ago

Relief is coming for auto insurance customers in California as people are driving far less during the coronavirus emergency.

California Insurance Commissioner Ricardo Lara is ordering all insurance companies to return premiums effective Monday.

The order covers premiums paid for at least March and April. It will extend through May if shelter-in-place restrictions continue.

Insurance companies will have no later than August to comply.

Some insurers like Allstate, State Farm and American Family have already voluntarily offered to return premiums to their customers.

Additionally, Allstate said it is also offering anyone in the United States, whether or not they are an Allstate customer, free identity protection for the rest of the year "since our lives have become more digital."

Locally, the notoriously heavy traffic in Los Angeles has been nearly non-existent since the "safer-at-home" order went into effect.

ABC7 spoke with California Highway Patrol Officer Robert Gomez via Skype about the fortuitous development.

"The good news is there's less traffic, but what that comes more speeders, erratic drivers," Gomez said.

The amount of calls to the CHP have dropped compared to the number of fender-benders that occurred during normal gridlock before the coronavirus outbreak.

But now the agency is receiving calls and witnessing more rollover incidents, single-car collisions and more ambulances responding due to the higher volume of speeders on the empty roads, which in turn results in more dangerous results.

Link: https://abc7.com/automotive/ca-order...rLLM6tXqX4b1fA

Pedestrian Apr 13, 2020 9:15 PM

So here's a new one:

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Davis police catch suspect in coronavirus theft: Just before noon Sunday, Davis Police officers caught a man suspected of stealing a specimen of the novel coronavirus from Sutter Davis Hospital the day before, the department said in an email to The Chronicle. Shaun Lamar Moore, a 40-year-old Davis resident, was booked into the Yolo County Jail on burglary charges, according to DPD. “Police are familiar with Moore and are determining whether any mental health conditions played a factor in this incident,” the department said. “Although the incident is very serious, detectives do not believe he intended to harm himself or others.”
https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/...a-15192855.php

And I suppose this is one way to look at it:

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SF homeless tents, once seen as problem, now seen as path to coronavirus social distancing: From the Tenderloin to the Castro to the Richmond, the shelter-in-place order has caused an explosion of homeless tents popping up on sidewalks all across San Francisco — and it comes with the blessing of the city. With the city’s already crowded shelters unable to provide the required social distancing, city officials have decided tents are the next best thing. So for now the tents that the city worked so hard to remove in recent years are back and pretty much untouchable.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/...a-15192855.php

Seems a remarkable accomplishment to me (just 14 deaths in a city of 900,000):

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San Francisco cases increase by 15: San Francisco reported a total of 872 coronavirus cases and 14 deaths Sunday — an increase of 15 cases and 1 death in the past 24 hours, according to data provided by the city’s Department of Public Health.
https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/...a-15192855.php

Pedestrian Apr 13, 2020 9:34 PM

At last, the silver lining in the coronavirus cloud:

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Bay Area cities should just get rid of crosswalk buttons
By Adam Brinklow Apr 13, 2020, 11:05am PDT

Cities across the Bay Area can help slow the spread of the novel coronavirus and make pedestrians happier at the same time by eliminating one of the least efficient elements of transit design—the questionably responsive crosswalk button.

At a public meeting in Emeryville last week, civil engineer Ryan O’Connell announced that pedestrians no longer need to push the buttons on city-owned traffic signal poles because crosswalk signals activate automatically . . . .

The idea is to spare people having to put their fingers on a non-sanitized surface touched by countless others before, but the idea of eliminating the often annoying button system poses the question of why it exists in the first place?

As many people suspect, the act of pushing crosswalk buttons, which are ostensibly supposed to signal the traffic lighting schematic to adhere to a pedestrian’s need to cross the street, doesn’t have any effect on the pattern of the traffic signals at most Bay Area intersections . . . .

https://sf.curbed.com/2020/4/13/2121...lk%2520buttons

sopas ej Apr 13, 2020 10:27 PM

:previous:

Video Link


And in Los Angeles, for decades now, in the Fairfax District at least, the crosswalk signals are tripped by sensors that knows someone is standing at the intersection, so that Orthodox Jews don't have to press the beg button during Shabbat.

Pedestrian Apr 13, 2020 10:30 PM

The way things are in my little town near Tucson:

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The Arizona Department of Health Services on Sunday began reporting COVID-19 cases by ZIP code.

Breaking down the numbers below the county level answers a big question: How widespread is this in our community?

. . . Monday’s numbers indicate 85614 has 42 reported cases, which is among the highest for a ZIP code in Southern Arizona.

Some media outlets have already decided this means Green Valley is a “hot spot” for coronavirus without digging deeper. That’s lazy journalism.

First, let’s clear up just who lives in 85614, because it’s a lot more than Green Valley.

The ZIP code includes part of Green Valley and large parts of Sahuarita (including La Posada, Quail Creek, a few southern neighborhoods and several large shopping districts). It reaches southeast to Madera Canyon and to the west to include Freeport McMoRan’s Sierrita mining operation. This is a good reminder that ZIP code boundaries often don’t match community boundaries.

But there’s something more important than geography. What types of services are within those boundaries? Specifically, care homes.

There are several, and our reporting so far has pinpointed more than 35 cases between just two of them
, The Villas of Green Valley and Santa Rita Nursing and Rehabilitation. Both have taken big steps to ensure the virus doesn’t spread, and we’ve reported on this.

We’re watching them closely — they have older, vulnerable people and things could go sideways at any point. But for now, the bulk of the ZIP code’s cases are in those two spots. We should note that it appears at least half the cases are employees.

The ZIP code also includes Santa Cruz Valley Regional Hospital, which has handled quite a few cases of COVID-19. According to the state, if a patient’s residence is unknown, cases are mapped to the address of the reporting facility. That could account for the high number.

. . . There are most likely hundreds of cases undetected or unreported. Maybe thousands. Just in our area.

https://www.gvnews.com/news/coronavi...e1205b404.html

I admit that's something of a wake-up call. I hadn't realized there were any definite cases in town.

sopas ej Apr 13, 2020 11:14 PM

From KTLA 5 News Los Angeles:

With caveat about weekend reporting lag, L.A. County announces ‘relatively low’ number of new coronavirus cases


by: Nouran Salahieh, with reporting by Cindy Von Quednow

Posted: Apr 13, 2020 / 12:49 PM PDT / Updated: Apr 13, 2020 / 03:50 PM PDT

Los Angeles County recorded 239 new coronavirus cases Monday, representing the lowest one-day increase in over two weeks as the number of cases climbed to 9,420 with 320 deaths in the nation’s most populous county.

“That’s a good thing,” the county’s public health director Dr. Barbara Ferrer said, also noting that testing is limited on weekends and therefore less cases are usually reported on Mondays.

Though Monday’s increase represents the smallest rise in known cases since March 26, and numbers have been “pretty steady” over the past week, Ferrer said it’s still unclear if the number of cases is starting to plateau in the county.

“Though we reported a relatively low number of new cases today, I want to be only cautiously optimistic because, always on Mondays, we have a lag because of the lab reporting issues and lack of testing that happens over the weekends,” Ferrer said.

Officials reported another 25 deaths Monday, 11 of them were people aged 65 and older and all had underlying health conditions. Twelve of them were between the ages of 41 and 65, and 11 of those people had underlying health conditions, according to the L.A. County Department of Public Health.

Based on preliminary information on some deaths where race and ethnicity were recorded, 14% were African American, 18% Asian, 33% Latinx, 33% white and 2% were listed as other, according to Ferrer.

The county recorded 31 new deaths on Sunday— the largest one-day jump in COVID-19 deaths so far in L.A. County.

The mortality rate from COVID-19 jumped to 3.4% in the county Monday. Ferrer noted that the rate can increase while the number of new cases confirmed drops since those who die oftentimes spend weeks in the hospital battling the respiratory illness, and so the deaths may not necessarily represent new infections.

“This will be a critical week again to see if we maintain a steady number,” she said.

So far, almost 52,00 people have been tested for the coronavirus in at L.A. County, with 13% testing positive.

Even as the county has ramped up testing after a slow start, opening up more drive-up sites and laboratories, Ferrer said the county’s capacity remains limited, with about 5,000 to 6,000 people tested each day. This makes it harder to predict when infections will actually start to decrease countywide, she said.

Ferrer said that if the testing capacity doubles across the county in the coming weeks, and positivity rate stays constant, there will be more cases confirmed.

“In the absence of having as much testing as we would all like, and with the knowledge that asymptomatic people may be able to transmit, we don’t know exactly who’s positive at any given moment in time,” she said.

Ferrer urged residents who are still waiting for their COVID-19 test results to self-isolate. This means staying in a separate room at home, wearing a face covering, keeping at least 6 feet away from others and not caring for children or serving others food. Those who test positive should tell everyone they had close contact with during the two days before the onset of symptoms to quarantine themselves for 14 days, she said.

As of Monday, 23 people among the county’s homeless have tested positive for the coronavirus, representing a slight increase from Friday. Most of them were unsheltered, authorities said.

The county is investigating 185 institutional settings with at least one confirmed coronavirus case, that’s an another eight since Sunday. Together they have 1,372 confirmed COVID-19 patients—681 of them being residents.

Ninety-two of all L.A. County residents who died were living in institutional settings, primarily in skilled nursing or assisted living facilitates. That accounts for 29% of all the county’s COVID-19 deaths.

So far, 2,354 of L.A. County’s coronavirus patients have been hospitalized at some point, representing 25% of all positive cases.

And after fears that the county’s hospitals would be overwhelmed under a flood of coronavirus patients, the county’s health officials said Friday that projections now show hospitals will be able to meet the demand at its projected peak. The Los Angeles Surge Hospital at the shuttered St. Vincent’s hospital in Westlake is set to open Monday to provide more intensive care bed space for COVID-19 patients.

But as hospitals scramble for protective gear amid nationwide shortages, California reported nearly 2,400 cases among its health care workers statewide as of Sunday, accounting for about 11% of the state’s then-nearly 21,800 coronavirus cases.

Over the past month, three L.A. County health care workers have died of COVID-19. Two of them worked at hospitals and one worked for correctional health, Ferrer said.

As of Monday, there were 787 confirmed cases of COVID-19 among the county’s health care workers, with nurses accounting for nearly a third of all those cases. Most of those infected didn’t know or report where they were exposed to the virus, but 24% of them were infected through direct contact with a patient or another health care worker, according to the health department.

About 43% of the ill health care employees worked at hospitals, 19% at skilled nursing or assisted living facilities and 12% worked in outpatient settings.

In the county’s jails, 89 people have been infected, 63 of them staff. In state prisons located in L.A. County, there were 28 people infected, including 18 inmates. Four staff members at juvenile facilities have also tested positive for the virus.

There’s also a total of 14 cases at a Department of Children and Family Services facility, including one young person and the rest staff.

At the Department of Probation, 16 staff members have tested positive for the coronavirus, including six who worked at juvenile facilities, according to acting Chief Ray Leyva.

The county’s stay-at-home order, initially set to end April 19, was extended through at least May 15. Officials ordered face coverings for all essential workers and told members of the public to also wear face coverings while they’re at essential businesses.

Link: https://ktla.com/news/local-news/l-a...e-to-pandemic/

mrnyc Apr 14, 2020 3:00 AM

corona has caused the rats to go to WAR!


https://nypost.com/2020/04/13/starvi...irus-lockdown/

subterranean Apr 14, 2020 4:44 PM

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https://static01.nyt.com/images/2020...ebookJumbo.jpg
The East Coast, Always in the Spotlight, Owes a Debt to the West
Apr 13, 2020 at 12:00 PM by By Adam Nagourney and Jonathan Martin

Frequently Asked Questions and Advice Updated April 11, 2020 • When will this end?


Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/13/u...on-oregon.html

Pedestrian Apr 14, 2020 5:23 PM

^^Shame, Gavin. No "social distancing" in that photo.

maru2501 Apr 14, 2020 5:29 PM

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Originally Posted by mrnyc (Post 8892832)
corona has caused the rats to go to WAR!


https://nypost.com/2020/04/13/starvi...irus-lockdown/

The rats in my neighborhood no longer run. I had one start across the street toward me and then stop and look, more like a squirrel would

iheartthed Apr 14, 2020 5:53 PM

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Originally Posted by mrnyc (Post 8892832)
corona has caused the rats to go to WAR!


https://nypost.com/2020/04/13/starvi...irus-lockdown/

The stray cats in my neighborhood have been much more visible over the past couple weeks. I wonder if they are hunting the rats.

Pedestrian Apr 14, 2020 6:35 PM

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Could cars emerge with a better image when SF emerges from coronavirus emergency?
John King
April 14, 2020 Updated: April 14, 2020 8:37 a.m.

Ten weeks after Jeff Tumlin mounted a bicycle to celebrate the debut of car-free Market Street, San Francisco’s director of transportation used a televised mayoral briefing on COVID-19 to deliver a much different message.

Please do not ride Muni for the duration of the public health emergency,” Tumlin said last week from behind the podium, where Mayor London Breed and other department heads had just appeared. “If you have the ability to drive or walk or ride a bicycle, please choose those modes.”

The message aims to prevent overcrowding on the city’s remaining bus lines, a condition that could spread the coronavirus. But it also served as a tacit reminder that private automobiles have a role to play in large cities — even ones like San Francisco, where public policy in recent years has focused on trying to carve out space for as many transportation options as possible while also making streets safer and more enticing for pedestrians.

Tumlin and other officials describe the request as a short-term response to the immediate need to contain a pandemic. Some observers, though, wonder if the shift might signal less strident rhetoric in future, when competing interest groups debate how to map out use of the city’s snug streets . . . .
https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/...F-15198197.php

Handro Apr 14, 2020 6:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Pedestrian (Post 8893386)

I'm thinking the opposite. MORE streets should go on car diets. Municipalities around the world are posting record-low air pollution and people are finding they enjoy simply walking/biking/running around their neighborhoods more than ever before. Local governments should use this as a once-in-a-century golden opportunity to change how cities work.

jtown,man Apr 14, 2020 6:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Handro (Post 8893393)
I'm thinking the opposite. MORE streets should go on car diets. Municipalities around the world are posting record-low air pollution and people are finding they enjoy simply walking/biking/running around their neighborhoods more than ever before. Local governments should use this as a once-in-a-century golden opportunity to change how cities work.

Exactly. They should be out right now painting the streets red and green.

JManc Apr 14, 2020 7:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Handro (Post 8893393)
I'm thinking the opposite. MORE streets should go on car diets. Municipalities around the world are posting record-low air pollution and people are finding they enjoy simply walking/biking/running around their neighborhoods more than ever before. Local governments should use this as a once-in-a-century golden opportunity to change how cities work.

Because the economy is shut down, people don't have to drive into work and thus can enjoy a leisurely walk/bike/run. I haven't touched my cars in a month.

Pedestrian Apr 14, 2020 7:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Handro (Post 8893393)
I'm thinking the opposite. MORE streets should go on car diets. Municipalities around the world are posting record-low air pollution and people are finding they enjoy simply walking/biking/running around their neighborhoods more than ever before. Local governments should use this as a once-in-a-century golden opportunity to change how cities work.

Fine. And if you want to leave your neighborhood?

I need to go about 5 miles to my doctor. How am I supposed to get there? Can't take Muni. Wouldn't climb in an Uber with a driver of unknown status and surrounded by surfaces carrying who knows what viri from pervious passengers.

And don't tell me at 74 I'm supposed to bike there up and down SF's hills.

Cities used to work with horses. Want to bring them back?

Pedestrian Apr 14, 2020 7:50 PM

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Originally Posted by JManc (Post 8893466)
Because the economy is shut down, people don't have to drive into work and thus can enjoy a leisurely walk/bike/run. I haven't touched my cars in a month.

Me either. But the Instacart guy bringing me my food has touched his a lot. No matter what you think, you aren't living car free. It's just that other people are doing your driving.

suburbanite Apr 14, 2020 8:03 PM

Anyone else realizing how much they spend on a monthly basis? I don't have a strict budget for my disposable income. My retirement account savings come straight out of my paycheck, I put the maximum into my tax free investment account every year, and after that it's pretty laissez faire.

Living at my parents for the last month, I just checked my bank statement and I had two transactions for $55 between my last bi-weekly pay deposits... no nights after work where you plan on going for a couple drinks and up spending over $100. No dates trying to impress some uptown girl. Don't get me wrong, at this point in my life I'd rather spend the money and have fun, but it's eye opening nonetheless.

Think I'm going to set up an entertainment budget with strict cash limits on friday nights when this is done.

Handro Apr 14, 2020 8:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Pedestrian (Post 8893506)
Fine. And if you want to leave your neighborhood?

I need to go about 5 miles to my doctor. How am I supposed to get there? Can't take Muni. Wouldn't climb in an Uber with a driver of unknown status and surrounded by surfaces carrying who knows what viri from pervious passengers.

And don't tell me at 74 I'm supposed to bike there up and down SF's hills.

Cities used to work with horses. Want to bring them back?

One could argue that there is a very efficient middle ground between "no cars" and "cars everywhere" but if that isn't obvious to you at the outset then I won't waste my time. Hopefully cities start building for our future instead of adhering to your past.

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Originally Posted by suburbanite (Post 8893553)
Anyone else realizing how much they spend on a monthly basis? I don't have a strict budget for my disposable income. My retirement account savings come straight out of my paycheck, I put the maximum into my tax free investment account every year, and after that it's pretty laissez faire.

Living at my parents for the last month, I just checked my bank statement and I had two transactions for $55 between my last bi-weekly pay deposits... no nights after work where you plan on going for a couple drinks and up spending over $100. No dates trying to impress some uptown girl. Don't get me wrong, at this point in my life I'd rather spend the money and have fun, but it's eye opening nonetheless.

Think I'm going to set up an entertainment budget with strict cash limits on friday nights when this is done.

It's pretty wild, I almost feel rich. Not having $700 auto-deduct for my federal student loans last week felt very, very good.

Steely Dan Apr 14, 2020 8:28 PM

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Originally Posted by suburbanite (Post 8893553)
Anyone else realizing how much they spend on a monthly basis?

Yes, definitely.

Since I got laid off 3 weeks ago, we've gone on a severe belt-tightening. We haven't eaten restaurant food in 3 weeks (longest such stretch in my adult life I imagine), we've pulled our kids out of daycare (it's closed anyway, but they ain't going back when we're on the other side; parents who want to hold their spots still have to pay), we haven't gone anywhere that costs money, and we've stopped all random/non-essential purchases.

Our only non-mortgage/bill expense is now our weekly grocery store stock-up, ~$150 for our family of four.

If we have to sustain this low-cost existence for many months to come, our savings will last us a good long while. Getting rid of the $2,400 daycare bite is kinda life-altering, even with the fact that we currently have no income other than my unemployment insurance.

jtown,man Apr 14, 2020 8:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Pedestrian (Post 8893506)
Fine. And if you want to leave your neighborhood?

I need to go about 5 miles to my doctor. How am I supposed to get there? Can't take Muni. Wouldn't climb in an Uber with a driver of unknown status and surrounded by surfaces carrying who knows what viri from pervious passengers.

And don't tell me at 74 I'm supposed to bike there up and down SF's hills.

Cities used to work with horses. Want to bring them back?

Respectfully, you're not everyone. Just like urbanist need to realize its not realistic for a family of 5 to bike everywhere lol

Pedestrian Apr 14, 2020 8:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Handro (Post 8893587)
One could argue that there is a very efficient middle ground between "no cars" and "cars everywhere" but if that isn't obvious to you at the outset then I won't waste my time. Hopefully cities start building for our future instead of adhering to your past.

It's obvious. It's just that I think San Francisco has gone past the "middle ground" and is now far into "appease the bicycle coalition/lobby at any cost" territory.

Pedestrian Apr 14, 2020 8:56 PM

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Originally Posted by jtown,man (Post 8893609)
Respectfully, you're not everyone. Just like urbanist need to realize its not realistic for a family of 5 to bike everywhere lol

No but there are many tens of thousands of drivers and only thousands of people who cycle as a primary means of transportation and yet San Francisco has demonized the drivers and slavishly gives the cyclists almost everything they demand. The result, by the way, has been gridlock on streets that used to flow smoothly.

sopas ej Apr 14, 2020 9:33 PM

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Originally Posted by suburbanite (Post 8893553)
Anyone else realizing how much they spend on a monthly basis?

Gasoline-wise, definitely not buying as much since the stay-at-home order. My partner will be starting his 5th week of working from home in a few days; I would imagine that since he's been working from home, our gas and electric bills will probably go up slightly---we've also been cooking at home more, though we still do get takeout from some restaurants, though when we do takeout, we don't buy beverages, since we have drinks at home... so maybe our food bill has gone down slightly.

jtown,man Apr 14, 2020 9:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Pedestrian (Post 8893628)
No but there are many tens of thousands of drivers and only thousands of people who cycle as a primary means of transportation and yet San Francisco has demonized the drivers and slavishly gives the cyclists almost everything they demand. The result, by the way, has been gridlock on streets that used to flow smoothly.

I think drivers will outnumber bikers no matter what measures we take, however, the low amount of people who bike today is almost wholly related to our regulations, laws, and implementation of bike infrastructure and the built environment. Obviously some of those issues are easier to change than others but making more bike lanes and ped/bike-only roads is rather easy compared to changing our land use codes that could take decades to make an impact.

I think the number of people who would use biking as an alternative to driving is way higher than the number of people currently biking. It's really an untapped source of transportation in this country.


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