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Diamonddave Jun 14, 2024 7:09 PM

I believe 44 Monroe is 380 so this would beat it out by a foot

CrestedSaguaro Jun 14, 2024 8:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TJPHXskyscraperfan (Post 10225832)
How tall is 44 Monroe? I know 44 Monroe is 34 stories but if this is 36 hopefully this is a new tallest residential tower?

44 Monroe is 380'. So yes, this could be a new tallest residential...even if only by 1 foot ;)

ChaseM Jun 14, 2024 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by PyroD (Post 10224943)

I wonder if this design could see a reduced parking podium and more residential floors due to the new parking minimums?

exit2lef Jun 15, 2024 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by ChaseM (Post 10226061)
I wonder if this design could see a reduced parking podium and more residential floors due to the new parking minimums?

I certainly hope so. That podium undermines an otherwise attractive building. Unfortunately, even with the city taking limited measures to reduce parking minimums, a lot of lenders are slow to relax their own requirements.

azsunsurfer Jun 15, 2024 3:13 PM

I actually like the podium. I would love for it to be wrapped in LED advertisements.

phoenixwillrise Jun 16, 2024 3:27 PM

Parking Podiums
 
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Originally Posted by azsunsurfer (Post 10226326)
I actually like the podium. I would love for it to be wrapped in LED advertisements.

Agree and I just don't get the hate for parking podiums when they are covered with architectural design. People need automobiles especially in 112 degree heat and when I go downtown I like to be able to find a parking space on the street.

locolife Jun 16, 2024 3:56 PM

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Originally Posted by CrestedSaguaro (Post 10225938)
44 Monroe is 380'. So yes, this could be a new tallest residential...even if only by 1 foot ;)

If that is by any means on purpose, I love the competitive spirit.

az_daniel Jun 16, 2024 4:15 PM

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Originally Posted by locolife (Post 10226813)
If that is by any means on purpose, I love the competitive spirit.

Perhaps many years from now we will look back at this as the beginning of the great Phoenix skyscraper wars :haha:

it probably helps a lot with marketing to be able to claim the title of tallest residential tower in arizona. might as well take it if you're that close lol

exit2lef Jun 16, 2024 8:14 PM

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Originally Posted by locolife (Post 10226813)
If that is by any means on purpose, I love the competitive spirit.

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Originally Posted by az_daniel (Post 10226817)
Perhaps many years from now we will look back at this as the beginning of the great Phoenix skyscraper wars :haha:

it probably helps a lot with marketing to be able to claim the title of tallest residential tower in arizona. might as well take it if you're that close lol

Parking podiums shouldn't count in height measurements. Deduct the floors allocated to the podium to determine the actual productive height of the building, and that becomes a meaningful basis of comparison.

combusean Jun 16, 2024 9:57 PM

Living right on top of a busy urban street is completely overrated for anyone over 25, and those are the only people that can afford these units for the most part. The people on the first residential floors might get a break from the noise when they're that high up and they won't rent at a big discount compared to higher up units.

TJPHXskyscraperfan Jun 17, 2024 1:55 AM

Very true, people want to be higher up in a high rise anyway no matter the age group it would just be more aesthetically pleasing to have units down to the ground floor. So I was downtown for the Dbacks game today, went to Bad Jimmy’s before. The new tower at 1st and Pierce has all kinds of equipment and fencing for the other tower so idk when they are supposed to start building with that going on? And the Edith fencing On Adams has a porta potty, does that mean they are finally starting?lol

AZFUEGO Jun 17, 2024 5:58 AM

I know this is a little off topic, but I wonder if anytime in the future there will be some developments on the SW corner of Monroe and 1st St. Also, that parking garage east of the Chase tower could use some redevelopment that incorporates parking for Chase and perhaps another skyscraper or 2? Another Block?

combusean Jun 17, 2024 7:06 AM

- The hotel is unlikely to demolish serviceable meeting space on the SWC of 1st St and Monroe unless it goes through a big expansion which is extremely unlikely anytime soon.

- Nothing major's going to happen to chase tower or its garage until the ridiculously inexperienced and in-over-their-head owner selects a development partner or sells. That isn't going to happen until they can assess the market after their very, very slow abatement that they appear to be financing out of pocket, and they don't seem in any rush. I don't know the economics or feasibility of saving or replacing or cutting chunks for redevelopment out of 50+ year old garages that aren't ADA compliant. The tower seems pretty ripe for a residential or hotel conversion however, but again there's no market for hotels.

TJPHXskyscraperfan Jun 17, 2024 8:10 AM

Soooo, there’s nothing going on at Chase? Are they just acting like it with all the lights on? Anyone have any word on Edith?

combusean Jun 17, 2024 10:47 AM

They are slowly abating the tower last I checked as I wrote. That takes a very long time anyways, and the owner appears to be in no hurry

exit2lef Jun 17, 2024 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by combusean (Post 10227058)
They are slowly abating the tower last I checked as I wrote. That takes a very long time anyways, and the owner appears to be in no hurry

No hurry and no plan as far as I can tell. The fencing is all around the base, and I see workers coming and going, but no one seems to know what's going to happen to the building.

ASU Diablo Jun 17, 2024 4:17 PM

Churchill owner aims to build 325-foot tower and market in downtown Phoenix
 
More updates on the proposed tower. This project sounds promising w/ the planned retail (hopefully with 100% frontage on Central)

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news...t/74064258007/
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A planned high-rise tower in downtown Phoenix could bring a neighborhood market and a new restaurant from the operator of The Churchill.

Kell Duncan, founder of The Churchill, the downtown Phoenix restaurant, bar and retail venue made of shipping containers, bought the building at Central Avenue and Garfield Street in 2020 from Uhaul’s real estate arm, Amerco Real Estate. He had been aiming to buy the property for a while, and before he bought it, he had plans to rehabilitate the building as another venue for restaurants, bars and a market.

That plan was shelved during the pandemic, when Duncan focused his energy on keeping The Churchill functioning. Now, he has partnered with Mainstreet Capital Partners to develop an apartment building on the site, while keeping some of his ideas for the lower levels of the building.

While Duncan had hoped to rehab the old building, he said, that plan has changed. The existing building, a long derelict car shop, will be razed to make room for the new project, but some of the materials will be salvaged and incorporated into the new building.

The new project, Duncan said, will breathe some life into a downtown corner that has long sat vacant.

“That corner has been empty since the car shop closed, and even then that probably wasn’t the best use of that corner,” he said.

Seeking a height increase

Duncan and Mainstreet Capital are seeking a height bonus for the project from the city, which would allow them to build about 30% higher than is currently allowed by the zoning if they reach certain sustainability milestones. Those milestones can include creating a vertically mixed-use project, adding pedestrian safety features and amenities, using renewable energy and other sustainability features.

The Phoenix Planning Commission recommended approval of the height bonus at its meeting June 6, and the City Council is scheduled to discuss the project later this summer. Duncan said the team has not established a timeline for construction yet.

Mainstreet Capital will oversee the development and operations of the apartment portion, Duncan said. The tower is planned to reach 325 feet high and include about 273 apartment units, according to documents submitted to the city. Duncan will operate the restaurant, a bar space and a neighborhood-scale market that will sell produce and goods from local farms and suppliers.

A place for local produce and food

Duncan, whose father and brother run Duncan Family Farms in Goodyear, said his idea for a restaurant and a market sourcing high-quality, local foods comes from his background growing up in a farming family.

“I believe in local, fresh, organic produce, and unfortunately we don’t have a ton of options for that in downtown,” Duncan said.

The development will be a “step out and a step up,” for Duncan, he said. Being involved in a partnership on a high-rise, and operating his own restaurant, will both be new ventures for him.

locolife Jun 17, 2024 9:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ASU Diablo (Post 10227257)
More updates on the proposed tower. This project sounds promising w/ the planned retail (hopefully with 100% frontage on Central)

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news...t/74064258007/

Sounds all around very promising, from the local food options to being 325’ at this location. I’m going to try and frequent Churchill more regularly to show support.

AZFUEGO Jun 18, 2024 12:00 AM

Any renderings for the proposed Churchill project?

locolife Jun 19, 2024 4:00 PM

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Originally Posted by AZFUEGO (Post 10227689)
Any renderings for the proposed Churchill project?

Did some digging. Both articles mention Main street Capital and the property on the NE corner of Central/Garfield. This isn't the proposed project but this states they are seeking to build a project similar to this. I fully support a 300'+ tower that is closely designed like this.

"This rendering shows an example of the type of apartment towers that Mainstreet Capital Partners has proposed at one of its projects in Fort Lauderdale, Florida."

https://media.bizj.us/view/img/12282...sky-view-2.jpg

Source: https://media.bizj.us/view/img/12282...sky-view-2.jpg

locolife Jun 19, 2024 4:09 PM

Anyone know what is going on with the property at the NE corner of 2nd and Roosevelt. Was a "green space" and has a fence around it now, with messaging reading IYKYK. I don't think I know lol.

CrestedSaguaro Jun 19, 2024 4:31 PM

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Originally Posted by locolife (Post 10228967)
Anyone know what is going on with the property at the NE corner of 2nd and Roosevelt. Was a "green space" and has a fence around it now, with messaging reading IYKYK. I don't think I know lol.

I believe you are referring to the lot where the Federales taco place was going to go. It (the development) pretty much got destroyed by the locals that felt it was going to turn out to be another Golden Margarita.

I am not sure what the status is and if the original company is moving forward it or if something else is planned.

locolife Jun 19, 2024 4:47 PM

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Originally Posted by CrestedSaguaro (Post 10228984)
I believe you are referring to the lot where the Federales taco place was going to go. It (the development) pretty much got destroyed by the locals that felt it was going to turn out to be another Golden Margarita.

I am not sure what the status is and if the original company is moving forward it or if something else is planned.

Got it, didn't think the banner would still be up for that, couldn't find any mention of the name but didn't get a picture to see if there was any link to a website or developer.

thespiandave Jun 19, 2024 9:11 PM

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Originally Posted by locolife (Post 10228999)
Got it, didn't think the banner would still be up for that, couldn't find any mention of the name but didn't get a picture to see if there was any link to a website or developer.

Unfortunately, it’s just an advertisement for something unrelated. I think it’s a music artist or concert. :(

thespiandave Jun 19, 2024 9:12 PM

Updated Pics
 
Went for a few longer walks over the last week. Here are some updated pics!

https://imgur.com/gallery/9XTN7c5

PHX31 Jun 19, 2024 9:15 PM

/\Thanks for the pics. What's the second to last one again? Is it that triangular window one?

CrestedSaguaro Jun 19, 2024 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by PHX31 (Post 10229290)
/\Thanks for the pics. What's the second to last one again? Is it that triangular window one?

Yep, Rainbow Road. Thanks for the pics, thespiandave. Gosh, this city is so primed for some 400-500'ers. Hopefully, in the next round of proposals, we really start to see some taller stuff getting thrown around. Starting the next construction cycle with Astra sure would be nice ;)

Sepstein Jun 22, 2024 1:08 AM

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Originally Posted by thespiandave (Post 10229288)
Went for a few longer walks over the last week. Here are some updated pics!

https://imgur.com/gallery/9XTN7c5

That picture of Central station on Van Buren is so cool! I wish most of the new buildings would have that look , hate those beige looking buildings like that one going up on Portland and 2nd!

locolife Jun 23, 2024 2:22 PM

Awesome photos, this round of projects is making a huge impact.

combusean Jun 23, 2024 10:52 PM

Did X Roosevelt actually change color? The north side of the facade should be a lot darker.

AZFUEGO Jun 24, 2024 6:52 AM

Has anyone heard about the Davis Experience? A renovation of the Chase Tower? Here is a link to the article with a few renderings of the proposal. I wonder if this is actually in the works.

https://thedavisexperience.com/proje...wer-renovation

builder03 Jun 24, 2024 3:19 PM

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Originally Posted by AZFUEGO (Post 10231795)
Has anyone heard about the Davis Experience? A renovation of the Chase Tower? Here is a link to the article with a few renderings of the proposal. I wonder if this is actually in the works.

https://thedavisexperience.com/proje...wer-renovation

Just a proposal, I believe. Been around for over a year. As of right now I believe they are just slowly remediating the building, no plans for redevelopment.

The renderings do look nice though. Would be great to see our tallest building get revamped with some mixed-use development.

azsunsurfer Jun 24, 2024 5:16 PM

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Originally Posted by AZFUEGO (Post 10231795)
Has anyone heard about the Davis Experience? A renovation of the Chase Tower? Here is a link to the article with a few renderings of the proposal. I wonder if this is actually in the works.

https://thedavisexperience.com/proje...wer-renovation

The Davis Experience has done a lot of high profile projects and proposals around the Valley over the years...where have you been living under a rock or something??

combusean Jun 24, 2024 9:23 PM

^ Newbies get a pass, be nice.

locolife Jun 26, 2024 5:06 AM

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Originally Posted by AZFUEGO (Post 10231795)
Has anyone heard about the Davis Experience? A renovation of the Chase Tower? Here is a link to the article with a few renderings of the proposal. I wonder if this is actually in the works.

https://thedavisexperience.com/proje...wer-renovation

Welcome to the club, we’re all waiting for something to happen with Chase Tower…. Give it 5-7 years and we’ll maybe see some action.

I’ve come to expect little but in recent years we have seen more projects go forward than not. Astra and Chase tend to be the bigger dreams for a lot of us on this forum.

CrestedSaguaro Jun 26, 2024 6:46 PM

Would anyone have any info on what happened to Thunderbird Legacy aka the Blue? Any of their previous permits have expired and I have not seen or heard anything. The website also seems to have issues loading some images and some of the links are broken.

Seems like after landing a major hotel chain, this would have moved fairly fast. Unless maybe Fairmont pulled out?

Edit: Ok, after I posted this, the images and broken links started working. Must've just been a slow webpage loading issue. But I'm still wondering what's going on with the development.

BA744PHX Jun 27, 2024 12:38 PM

Good Morning,

I was wondering, what happened to the Fairmont Hotel? The PR release stated a 2025 opening (obviously not happening), is this project still moving forward?

https://accor-residences.com/news/fa...ntial-product/

https://www.fairmontresidencesphoenix.com/

FighteroftheNightman Jun 28, 2024 5:57 PM

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Originally Posted by BA744PHX (Post 10234122)
Good Morning,

I was wondering, what happened to the Fairmont Hotel? The PR release stated a 2025 opening (obviously not happening), is this project still moving forward?

https://accor-residences.com/news/fa...ntial-product/

https://www.fairmontresidencesphoenix.com/

We met with brokers for the ownership group a while ago. The residences they were banking on do not pencil at this time. They will probably have to wait on the hotel portion as well.

ASU Diablo Jun 28, 2024 6:36 PM

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Originally Posted by FighteroftheNightman (Post 10235499)
We met with brokers for the ownership group a while ago. The residences they were banking on do not pencil at this time. They will probably have to wait on the hotel portion as well.

Well this sucks. This is one of those projects that can really get development going south of Jackson but always forget about this project. Hopefully, the proposed tower and rehab of the county building at Central/Madison is still a go.

Appreciate the update Dayman! :tup:

CrestedSaguaro Jun 28, 2024 8:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ASU Diablo (Post 10235529)
Well this sucks. This is one of those projects that can really get development going south of Jackson but always forget about this project. Hopefully, the proposed tower and rehab of the county building at Central/Madison is still a go.

Appreciate the update Dayman! :tup:

Did I miss this? What tower is this?

Edit: Oh wait, I think you are referring to this one: https://www.loopnet.com/Listing/1-W-...x-AZ/29522580/

ASU Diablo Jun 28, 2024 8:11 PM

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Originally Posted by CrestedSaguaro (Post 10235596)
Did I miss this? What tower is this?

Edit: Oh wait, I think you are referring to this one: https://www.loopnet.com/Listing/1-W-...x-AZ/29522580/

:tup:

Sepstein Jul 7, 2024 4:04 AM

I was in Austin recently and there skyline is so nice It's gotta be one of the top 10 best skylines easy in the USA, So sad we are like 4 times the size and cant even get a project like Astra built they got like 15 Astra like projects already up! That Block 185 building and the independent is so cool! We get lame 20 story brown building. We need more buildings like Central station just taller!

somethingfast Jul 7, 2024 4:16 PM

^ simmering omnipresent shame is most definitely a part of being a Phoenix skyscraper fan. it's kinda like being a fan of the Arizona Cardinals :tup:

combusean Jul 7, 2024 4:48 PM

And then you realize the pragmatic realities of height limits, risk, and demand: also known as growing up.

somethingfast Jul 7, 2024 5:14 PM

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Originally Posted by combusean (Post 10240494)
And then you realize the pragmatic realities of height limits, risk, and demand: also known as growing up.

Don't take it personal and no need to be overly apologetic about Phoenix. higher height limits than we ever build. pretty weak design overall compared to other cities. No real civic pride to put pressure on developers. It's pretty sad indeed compared to cities like Nashville and Austin. But it's our city and we support it. But let's not kid ourselves here...

Obadno Jul 8, 2024 1:29 AM

Skylines don’t matter, it’s pure vanity,

Did London or Paris become better cities when they built high rises?

Would Manhattan be any worse off if you couldn’t see above 5 floors?

somethingfast Jul 8, 2024 4:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Obadno (Post 10240688)
Skylines don’t matter, it’s pure vanity,

Did London or Paris become better cities when they built high rises?

Would Manhattan be any worse off if you couldn’t see above 5 floors?

I'm not saying that at all. I am saying Phoenix is an underachiever. Not really debatable. But do I like our skyline for what it is? Yes.

combusean Jul 8, 2024 5:18 PM

No, it does perfectly fine for a city built on everything that's not urban unlike Nashville or Austin. A decades-old live music scene kind of depends on a city. I'd take Piestewa Peak or Camelback Mountain and Phoenix's live music scene over those hicks anyways if you want to talk about what 's in the skyline.

MMDelon Jul 8, 2024 5:28 PM

I think Phoenix excels in other areas that other major cities over look. I’m currently in Houston and while their skyline is miles better their infrastructure isn’t and their roads aren’t better. The fact that Phoenix is on a grid is a blessing. I like Phoenix’s highways, roads, and overall infrastructure more than some major cities I have been too. Phoenix is behind on their downtown but they certainly make it up in other areas.

PyroD Jul 8, 2024 6:47 PM

Also is Austin a fair comparison? Similar to us, they're going through a high rise boom but for different reasons. Austin also has what can currently be considered the best looking skyline in TX despite being behind the big 3 in population.


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