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downtownphxguy12 Feb 20, 2013 10:08 PM

Garfield is improving. I bought six cottages 11st and garfield back in 2009 and thought i made a mistake. But, after totally restoring them, i have 6 great tennants, all professionals (artist, professor, travel agent, manager) who love living downtown. I since have bought a house 8st and garfield to live in. Lots of foot traffic. every saturday morning, people from core fitness are either sprinting or moving tractor tires around! No problems in the year and 1/2 since in lived there. Granted, the more u get towards 16st and van buren it gets a little rougher. Those areas are improving with people still buying and fixing up homes.

dtnphx Feb 20, 2013 10:25 PM

A Phoenix Olympics? That's hilarious! Let's look at the reasons why it will not happen in our lifetime.

-The fucking heat
-Our crazy, right-wing state government and ambassadors of yikes! Sherriff Shmo, Brewer, McCain. Seriously, less crazy people in Pakistan.
-Our state's anti-immigration policy, English-only, gun-packin' mentality. We can barely get Super Bowls!
-We're not a world-class city. Atlanta (which hosted before) barely qualifies.
-The State of Arizona picking up costs to subsidize an Olympics filled with socialists, communists and people of color? (Call Mitt)
-One rail line does not constitute a decent public transportation system
-Did I mention the fucking heat?

Believe it or not, I love this city in spite of it's nature, but just think of our chances? Nil.

Arquitect Feb 20, 2013 11:06 PM

Found this video today:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=fcR9VeuEr-0

It would be pretty awesome if Phoenix became a Solar Power center.

The video was done for the Huffington Post Mayor Challenge:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...#slide=2124385

Vicelord John Feb 20, 2013 11:18 PM

if anyone is delusional enough to believe phoenix is an olympic caliber city, you need to be sent to an asylum.

Leo the Dog Feb 21, 2013 5:36 AM

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Originally Posted by phxSUNSfan (Post 6022058)
As for the sketchiness of downtown, that is mostly a suburban manifestation of what the region used to be. Garfield isn't bad, low-income, but it is mostly stereotyped by outsiders...they see Latinos and run. Areas of Garfield are home to the local artists and they do walk around and ride their bikes after dark...especially after hitting the local bars. Walk north of downtown and you're in Encanto, Willo, etc. Walking further south would be weird only because there is nothing. Downtown offers amenities you can't find in Surprise and Chandler: museums, closer to employment clusters (downtown, midtown, Camelback, Gateway, etc), transit, the universities, historic neighborhoods, etc. What is lacking downtown is the actual amenities that would make it livable like other cities without having to own a car.

I used to live in the immediate area until 2010 when I moved to CA. I've been chased on foot in broad daylight. Just look at Google maps, its pretty sketchy. I know it pretty well. When I was at ASU I took a class that studied Garfield. It was the geography of Hispanic and Latinos. We studied the characteristics of the houses and yards and people, very cool class. We had groups of 3-4 that were assigned specific blocks within Garfield to walk, observe, record, photograph and interview residents and then present our results. I know it pretty well. It's a sketchy neighborhood.

phxSUNSfan Feb 21, 2013 6:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Leo the Dog (Post 6022914)
I used to live in the immediate area until 2010 when I moved to CA. I've been chased on foot in broad daylight. Just look at Google maps, its pretty sketchy. I know it pretty well. When I was at ASU I took a class that studied Garfield. It was the geography of Hispanic and Latinos. We studied the characteristics of the houses and yards and people, very cool class. We had groups of 3-4 that were assigned specific blocks within Garfield to walk, observe, record, photograph and interview residents and then present our results. I know it pretty well. It's a sketchy neighborhood.

Lived in downtown since 2009 and nothing has ever happened in terms of violence to me or any of my neighbors/friends. There have been a few missing bikes and property crime. With poverty there are problems that are associated with it, but "sketchy" is subjective. Murders, assaults, and the like are rare and I don't think there has been a murder in the Garfield neighborhood in years. Robberies are extremely low since most of that happens in areas with more means in which robberies would prove more lucrative. There is some quiet, low-level gang activity...I know the area well myself. In the last 3 years since you left, crime has continued to fall and the area has seen more investment and improvement (especially from the arts community).

Vicelord John Feb 21, 2013 12:03 PM

I've been downtown since '04 and have heard of two shootings, both stemming from bar fights, one murder, and a cop involved shooting.

Pretty quiet neighborhood, and trust me I used to put myself in a lot of dumb situations.

Leo the Dog Feb 21, 2013 3:52 PM

I know DT is safe. The lack of murders has to do with the lack of and dispersal of the population. Population dot density map shows this.

The term I used, sketchy, is somewhat vague I guess. I wasn't referring to violent crimes. Very few residents of Alta, Roosevelt Point, 44monroe, Portland Place are gonna take Fido and wife for a nice stroll through Garfield after dinner. This is what I was getting at. They're confined between the 7s and north of the tracks.

HooverDam Feb 21, 2013 6:44 PM

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Originally Posted by dtnphx (Post 6022466)
A Phoenix Olympics? That's hilarious! Let's look at the reasons why it will not happen in our lifetime.

-The fucking heat

Due it in October, problem solved

Quote:

Originally Posted by dtnphx (Post 6022466)
-Our crazy, right-wing state government and ambassadors of yikes! Sherriff Shmo, Brewer, McCain. Seriously, less crazy people in Pakistan.


-Our state's anti-immigration policy, English-only, gun-packin' mentality. We can barely get Super Bowls!

These are minor issues. You think China has a sterling human rights record?


Quote:

Originally Posted by dtnphx (Post 6022466)

-We're not a world-class city. Atlanta (which hosted before) barely qualifies.

Quote:

Originally Posted by dtnphx (Post 6022466)

Neither was ATL. The Olympics may be looking to go to emerging Cities in the future as opposed to already established Cities, its hard to say.

Quote:

Originally Posted by dtnphx (Post 6022466)

-The State of Arizona picking up costs to subsidize an Olympics filled with socialists, communists and people of color? (Call Mitt)


If there's one thing the conservative State of Arizona is happy to fund with tax payer money, its sports.

Quote:

Originally Posted by dtnphx (Post 6022466)

-One rail line does not constitute a decent public transportation system


It doesn't. But 10-12 years from now, especially if an Olympic bid were creating a deadline, the system could be wildly different.

Quote:

Originally Posted by dtnphx (Post 6022466)

-Did I mention the fucking heat?

Did I mention October? The Sydney games were shifted to the latter half of September for a variety of reasons, so the IOC is certainly open to that sort of thing.

Do I think PHX will actual get the Olympics? No. But were any of those reasons really great ones? No.

PHX (in a joint bid with Tempe especially, but all the Valley cities) ought to be pushing hard to get the Pan American Games though. Once the new Sun Devil Stadium is built, ASUs amateur athletics complex is filled out, and if USA basketball moves their HQ to Tempe like is rumored, this would be an ideal place for the Pan Am Games.

The real biggest issue is 2024 would probably be too soon for PHX to host the Olympics. I can imagine us being ready for the Pan Am Games by that time, but the Olympics would likely have to wait until 2032 or so. Which is fine, PHX ought to toss its hat into the ring this time, and get its name out there.

I doubt a US City wins anyhow, as the IOC has been in the mood of spreading the wealth lately (i.e. going to places it hasn't been ever or in a very long time). I'd imagine the Olympics in 2020 will be somewhere in Africa or the Middle East as those areas have never hosted. South Africa could host as they did a fine job w/ the World Cup of Soccer. If Africa misses out on 2020, then they'd really be a strong contender for 2024.

Vicelord John Feb 21, 2013 6:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leo the Dog (Post 6023258)
I know DT is safe. The lack of murders has to do with the lack of and dispersal of the population. Population dot density map shows this.

The term I used, sketchy, is somewhat vague I guess. I wasn't referring to violent crimes. Very few residents of Alta, Roosevelt Point, 44monroe, Portland Place are gonna take Fido and wife for a nice stroll through Garfield after dinner. This is what I was getting at. They're confined between the 7s and north of the tracks.

What it has to do with is the police are going to be damned if they let anything happen downtown. They want perfect PR.

ASUSunDevil Feb 21, 2013 8:35 PM

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Originally Posted by HooverDam (Post 6023471)
Due it in October, problem solved



These are minor issues. You think China has a sterling human rights record?









If there's one thing the conservative State of Arizona is happy to fund with tax payer money, its sports.




It doesn't. But 10-12 years from now, especially if an Olympic bid were creating a deadline, the system could be wildly different.



Did I mention October? The Sydney games were shifted to the latter half of September for a variety of reasons, so the IOC is certainly open to that sort of thing.

Do I think PHX will actual get the Olympics? No. But were any of those reasons really great ones? No.

PHX (in a joint bid with Tempe especially, but all the Valley cities) ought to be pushing hard to get the Pan American Games though. Once the new Sun Devil Stadium is built, ASUs amateur athletics complex is filled out, and if USA basketball moves their HQ to Tempe like is rumored, this would be an ideal place for the Pan Am Games.

The real biggest issue is 2024 would probably be too soon for PHX to host the Olympics. I can imagine us being ready for the Pan Am Games by that time, but the Olympics would likely have to wait until 2032 or so. Which is fine, PHX ought to toss its hat into the ring this time, and get its name out there.

I doubt a US City wins anyhow, as the IOC has been in the mood of spreading the wealth lately (i.e. going to places it hasn't been ever or in a very long time). I'd imagine the Olympics in 2020 will be somewhere in Africa or the Middle East as those areas have never hosted. South Africa could host as they did a fine job w/ the World Cup of Soccer. If Africa misses out on 2020, then they'd really be a strong contender for 2024.

I agree with all of those Olympic thoughts. Curious, where did you hear that U.S.A. Basketball could be moving it's headquarters to Tempe? I heard Glendale was a possibility until Van Tuyl bought the proposed land and they temporarily scrapped the idea. Tempe would be sooooo much better than stupid Glendale.

Classical in Phoenix Feb 21, 2013 10:11 PM

Oh, I think we can host the Olympics alright. But I think you guys have the wrong games, after yesterday we should be trying for the Winter Olympics.

dtnphx Feb 21, 2013 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HooverDam (Post 6023471)
Due it in October, problem solved



These are minor issues. You think China has a sterling human rights record?









If there's one thing the conservative State of Arizona is happy to fund with tax payer money, its sports.




It doesn't. But 10-12 years from now, especially if an Olympic bid were creating a deadline, the system could be wildly different.



Did I mention October? The Sydney games were shifted to the latter half of September for a variety of reasons, so the IOC is certainly open to that sort of thing.

Do I think PHX will actual get the Olympics? No. But were any of those reasons really great ones? No.

PHX (in a joint bid with Tempe especially, but all the Valley cities) ought to be pushing hard to get the Pan American Games though. Once the new Sun Devil Stadium is built, ASUs amateur athletics complex is filled out, and if USA basketball moves their HQ to Tempe like is rumored, this would be an ideal place for the Pan Am Games.

The real biggest issue is 2024 would probably be too soon for PHX to host the Olympics. I can imagine us being ready for the Pan Am Games by that time, but the Olympics would likely have to wait until 2032 or so. Which is fine, PHX ought to toss its hat into the ring this time, and get its name out there.

I doubt a US City wins anyhow, as the IOC has been in the mood of spreading the wealth lately (i.e. going to places it hasn't been ever or in a very long time). I'd imagine the Olympics in 2020 will be somewhere in Africa or the Middle East as those areas have never hosted. South Africa could host as they did a fine job w/ the World Cup of Soccer. If Africa misses out on 2020, then they'd really be a strong contender for 2024.

It's generally over 100 until mid, sometimes late October. We're not a world class city, not now, not at least for a while, so no use in bringing up maybe's at this point.

FitnessPower Feb 22, 2013 12:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HooverDam (Post 6023471)
Due it in October, problem solved



These are minor issues. You think China has a sterling human rights record?









If there's one thing the conservative State of Arizona is happy to fund with tax payer money, its sports.




It doesn't. But 10-12 years from now, especially if an Olympic bid were creating a deadline, the system could be wildly different.



Did I mention October? The Sydney games were shifted to the latter half of September for a variety of reasons, so the IOC is certainly open to that sort of thing.

Do I think PHX will actual get the Olympics? No. But were any of those reasons really great ones? No.

PHX (in a joint bid with Tempe especially, but all the Valley cities) ought to be pushing hard to get the Pan American Games though. Once the new Sun Devil Stadium is built, ASUs amateur athletics complex is filled out, and if USA basketball moves their HQ to Tempe like is rumored, this would be an ideal place for the Pan Am Games.

The real biggest issue is 2024 would probably be too soon for PHX to host the Olympics. I can imagine us being ready for the Pan Am Games by that time, but the Olympics would likely have to wait until 2032 or so. Which is fine, PHX ought to toss its hat into the ring this time, and get its name out there.

I doubt a US City wins anyhow, as the IOC has been in the mood of spreading the wealth lately (i.e. going to places it hasn't been ever or in a very long time). I'd imagine the Olympics in 2020 will be somewhere in Africa or the Middle East as those areas have never hosted. South Africa could host as they did a fine job w/ the World Cup of Soccer. If Africa misses out on 2020, then they'd really be a strong contender for 2024.

Exactly what I was thinking.
Phoenix may not be world class now, but if we ever want even have a chance to be world class, giving up without trying isn't going to help.

Vicelord John Feb 22, 2013 12:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Classical in Phoenix (Post 6023738)
Oh, I think we can host the Olympics alright. But I think you guys have the wrong games, after yesterday we should be trying for the Winter Olympics.

I was ready to say Special Olympics...

N830MH Feb 22, 2013 1:11 AM

Hello All,

Did you know old Denny's is on Camelback Rd & 16th St is being demolished. We didn't even know that. Why we haven't visit on the street for a long time. We are not quite sure who going to being build a new restaurant. I have no absolutely idea.

Vicelord John Feb 22, 2013 1:13 AM

yup drove by it last week and it was being demo'd.

My exact thought was "oh look they're tearing denny's down, ok now to go on with my life."

Uawilly Feb 22, 2013 2:09 AM

Hi everyone, this is my first post but I have been visited your forum daily for the past 3 months.

Its a shame that its too hot here because I have always felt Phoenix would be perfect since it has almost every facility aside from housing and aquatics already built. As it has been mentioned, we have all the pro sports venues plus everything at ASU and Grand Canyon and like 10 spring training stadiums which would be perfect for sports no one cares about. Even Sun Devil Stadium looks like it could accommodate a track since the stands are a decent distance from the field.

Even if the heat wasn't an issue it seems the US Olympic committee is intent on pushing LA, SF, NYC, and Chicago. I don't blame either since those cities have the most world wide recognition.

HooverDam Feb 22, 2013 4:37 AM

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Originally Posted by ASUSunDevil (Post 6023612)
I agree with all of those Olympic thoughts. Curious, where did you hear that U.S.A. Basketball could be moving it's headquarters to Tempe? I heard Glendale was a possibility until Van Tuyl bought the proposed land and they temporarily scrapped the idea. Tempe would be sooooo much better than stupid Glendale.

Glendale was going to be the place, but that fell through. Colangelo is still in charge of USA Basketball, and is bent on getting USA Basketball HQ'd in the Valley.

I heard him talking about it on the Pros2Preps Radio Show with Brad Cesmat. Nothing is official, and Colangelo didn't mention Tempe by name, but he made some very obvious allusions to it. I forget exactly what he said but it was something like "moving the HQ near a large State university"...well there's only 1 of those in town...so...

Plus it makes sense w/ Crows vision of ASUs expanded athletics complex, and turning that area along Rio Salado into a haven for amateur athletics.

exit2lef Feb 22, 2013 1:00 PM

Interesting report I just heard on KJZZ about why cities are encouraged to apply for the Olympics, even if they aren't likely hosts: http://www.marketplace.org/topics/ec...ics-are-hassle


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