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ardecila Jul 24, 2014 4:21 AM

Higher-quality Englewood flyover video:

This thing is really high when seen from ground level at 63rd. Even higher when seen from the (sunken) Dan Ryan.

Video Link

denizen467 Jul 24, 2014 5:04 AM

I could watch train timelapses all day long (starts at 3m31s).

Question - After the flyover is finished, will they demolish all the old viaducts that it's bypassing, or will those be kept for redundancy and/or extra capacity?

Tom Servo Jul 24, 2014 8:01 PM

God damn, the city REALLY fucked up Broadway through Uptown with those god-awful bike lanes. Eminate a lane of traffic on a busy artery... yeah, that makes great sense. :koko:

Here's an idea: put the stupid bike lanes on side streets. Jesus...

the urban politician Jul 24, 2014 8:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Servo (Post 6668104)
God damn, the city REALLY fucked up Broadway through Uptown with those god-awful bike lanes. Eminate a lane of traffic on a busy artery... yeah, that makes great sense. :koko:

Here's an idea: put the stupid bike lanes on side streets. Jesus...

^ Damn, since when did the Maharishi of design Tom Servo turn into such a pro-car fanatic? I think most of us long ago agreed that road diets, wider sidewalks, bike lanes, and a focus in general in making our ROWs friendly to other means of transportation other than cars is better for our built environment and, all in all, makes for better building design (building to accommodate the automobile, the design philosophy of the past 60 years, has all in all been a miserable failure). Do you disagree with all of this?

UPChicago Jul 24, 2014 11:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Servo (Post 6668104)
God damn, the city REALLY fucked up Broadway through Uptown with those god-awful bike lanes. Eminate a lane of traffic on a busy artery... yeah, that makes great sense. :koko:

Here's an idea: put the stupid bike lanes on side streets. Jesus...

just no.......

tintinex Jul 24, 2014 11:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Servo (Post 6668104)
God damn, the city REALLY fucked up Broadway through Uptown with those god-awful bike lanes. Eminate a lane of traffic on a busy artery... yeah, that makes great sense. :koko:

Here's an idea: put the stupid bike lanes on side streets. Jesus...

I'm so happy this finally happened. I used those bike lanes almost daily. If you want a 4 lane road, use Sheridan, only 2 blocks east. No pesky bike lanes there. :tup:

And Broadway busy? you must not live around there because that street through Uptown/Edgewater is most definitely well under capacity

Tom Servo Jul 25, 2014 12:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by migueltorres (Post 6668435)
And Broadway busy? you must not live around there because that street through Uptown/Edgewater is most definitely well under capacity

Hah

...

And TUP, sure. I'm all for smart urban design and growth, but I think fucking up Broadway was a bad choice. Clark is already a two lane street w bike accommodations. Sheridan would've been a better choice too since it's far less busy. And the lake front path is what, two blocks from Broadway? It was just foolish tearing up Broadway and creating a constant traffic problem for a few bike lanes.

I'm just sick of all these new bike lanes popping up all over, causing huge traffic problems throughout the city. We didn't have all these overly complicated bike lanes ten years ago, and people got along just fine. It's as if we're accomodating stupid people that don't know how to ride with traffic. It's bad enough we had to go get the stupid bike share, which essentially puts a mass of idiots on the streets and creates a very hazardous roadway. Many streets downtown have become rolling tourist gauntlets in the last year; the neighborhood streets throughout the Northside have become rolling transplant gauntlets all the same. It just seems silly to waste money on bike accommodations. The money should be put into pot hole repair or transit.

wierdaaron Jul 25, 2014 12:47 AM

Tom, I don't have a dog in this race, but just as a PSA I guess I should say that that position is going to be very unpopular with most people involved with or interested in city planning, transit, and urban development type stuff. The general movement of urban planning is toward a gradual de-emphasizing of auto traffic within a city center in favor of improved pedestrian, bike, and mass transit experiences.

I don't think it needs to be debated in this time and place, and there's nothing wrong with being generally opposed to the idea of it. It just needs to be approached from a frame of reference where it's something that's already happening.

UPChicago Jul 25, 2014 1:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Servo (Post 6668466)
Hah

...

And TUP, sure. I'm all for smart urban design and growth, but I think fucking up Broadway was a bad choice. Clark is already a two lane street w bike accommodations. Sheridan would've been a better choice too since it's far less busy. And the lake front path is what, two blocks from Broadway? It was just foolish tearing up Broadway and creating a constant traffic problem for a few bike lanes.

I'm just sick of all these new bike lanes popping up all over, causing huge traffic problems throughout the city. We didn't have all these overly complicated bike lanes ten years ago, and people got along just fine. It's as if we're accomodating stupid people that don't know how to ride with traffic. It's bad enough we had to go get the stupid bike share, which essentially puts a mass of idiots on the streets and creates a very hazardous roadway. Many streets downtown have become rolling tourist gauntlets in the last year; the neighborhood streets throughout the Northside have become rolling transplant gauntlets all the same. It just seems silly to waste money on bike accommodations. The money should be put into pot hole repair or transit.

Broadway is not busy from Montrose to Foster. Clark, Halsted, and Lawrence are way more congested by a factor of at least 2. I live on Broadway on this stretch and I thought the lanes would be a headache as well but they have proven otherwise. I think you are just a little grumpy.....

untitledreality Jul 25, 2014 2:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom Servo (Post 6668466)
Sheridan would've been a better choice too since it's far less busy. And the lake front path is what, two blocks from Broadway?

Neither Sheridan or LSD goes through a commercial corridor, therefore would be absolutely useless for anything other than commuter riding. Like others, I have no idea where the idea of Broadway being as busy street comes from. The stretch through Uptown is deserted every single time I travel through the area. Five travel lanes was absurd for the observed traffic counts, and made the area completely miserable as a pedestrian.

clark wellington Jul 25, 2014 3:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Servo (Post 6668104)
God damn, the city REALLY fucked up Broadway through Uptown with those god-awful bike lanes. Eminate a lane of traffic on a busy artery... yeah, that makes great sense. :koko:

Here's an idea: put the stupid bike lanes on side streets. Jesus...

God, your posts are becoming increasingly angry, retrograde, and misguided. Anything that doesn't align perfectly with your (increasingly out-of-touch and misinformed) worldview is stupid or awful, from the poorly-implemented but now time-saving Ventra cards to the highly successful Divvy program to allocating a small part of an excess-capacity road (look at the data instead of relying on your extremely flawed perceptions) for a growing, eco-friendly, but vulnerable segment of users.

Chicago is (slowly) moving forward on transit issues. Take a closer look at the benefits of these policies instead of knee-jerkingly rejecting them because they're new. Right now, you're the old man yelling at kids to get off his lawn.

LouisVanDerWright Jul 25, 2014 5:35 AM

Tom is a 55 year old balding white dude who lives in Wilmette and drives in on LSD and Sheridan to work at an insurance agency every day. Trust me, I've met him.

CTA Gray Line Jul 25, 2014 5:46 AM

Metra Ridership Rising Unevenly; Development Could Maximize Its Potential
 
http://chi.streetsblog.org/2014/07/2...its-potential/

Start with the good news: Ridership on Metra, Chicagoland’s main commuter rail service, has grown almost 14 percent over the last ten years......

Tom Servo Jul 25, 2014 5:58 AM

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Originally Posted by LouisVanDerWright (Post 6668767)
Tom is a 55 year old balding white dude who lives in Wilmette and drives in on LSD and Sheridan to work at an insurance agency every day. Trust me, I've met him.

I'm 47, not 55.

joeg1985 Jul 25, 2014 1:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clark wellington (Post 6668664)
God, your posts are becoming increasingly angry, retrograde, and misguided. Anything that doesn't align perfectly with your (increasingly out-of-touch and misinformed) worldview is stupid or awful, from the poorly-implemented but now time-saving Ventra cards to the highly successful Divvy program to allocating a small part of an excess-capacity road (look at the data instead of relying on your extremely flawed perceptions) for a growing, eco-friendly, but vulnerable segment of users.

Chicago is (slowly) moving forward on transit issues. Take a closer look at the benefits of these policies instead of knee-jerkingly rejecting them because they're new. Right now, you're the old man yelling at kids to get off his lawn.


Yes to all of this!!!!

Broadway is such am ore pleasant street to walk along now that the road diet has been implemented. They only recorded 11,00 cars a day on Broadway so it's capacity was way under used. It so much easier to cross on foot now too. Can't wait for them to push this road diet all the way north on Broadway.

Viva la transportation diversity!

OrdoSeclorum Jul 25, 2014 2:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Servo (Post 6668466)

I'm just sick of all these new bike lanes popping up all over, causing huge traffic problems throughout the city. We didn't have all these overly complicated bike lanes ten years ago, and people got along just fine. It's as if we're accomodating stupid people that don't know how to ride with traffic. It's bad enough we had to go get the stupid bike share, which essentially puts a mass of idiots on the streets and creates a very hazardous roadway. Many streets downtown have become rolling tourist gauntlets in the last year; the neighborhood streets throughout the Northside have become rolling transplant gauntlets all the same. It just seems silly to waste money on bike accommodations. The money should be put into pot hole repair or transit.

Places that are good for cars are bad for people. Rule of thumb: if it's easy to drive someplace or easy to park, it's a rotten place to spend time. (unrelated but similar rule: if the best thing about a place is the weather, it's probably a pretty rotten place)

UPChicago Jul 25, 2014 2:17 PM

the road diet and the new Wilson station are putting in place all the ingredients of an Uptown recovery.

Justin_Chicago Jul 25, 2014 2:19 PM

I enjoy the new bike lanes on Broadway in Uptown. I use the lane 2-3x a week for my Vietnamese kick. Why would I want to go out of my way and use the LSD bike path? Bike lanes should run through all of the main commercial corridors. I would love to see Irving Park Road get a bike lane.

Kenmore Jul 25, 2014 2:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by migueltorres (Post 6668435)
I'm so happy this finally happened. I used those bike lanes almost daily. If you want a 4 lane road, use Sheridan, only 2 blocks east. No pesky bike lanes there. :tup:

And Broadway busy? you must not live around there because that street through Uptown/Edgewater is most definitely well under capacity

great post

EDIT: kind of cool that so many posters live in this general area

Tom Servo Jul 25, 2014 6:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UPChicago (Post 6668956)
the road diet and the new Wilson station are putting in place all the ingredients of an Uptown recovery.

Wow, that's racist. What exactly does Uptown need to recover from? Or are you just referring to the impending gentrification of the area... ie, less black people. Recovery... sheesh. :uhh:


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