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denizen467 Sep 25, 2016 8:24 AM

Yes, retrofits of platform doors onto old lines keeping the existing rolling stock (i.e. without automation) are not unusual in that part of the world.

But what is OPTO? Overweight passenger tumbles off (platform)?

Mr Downtown Sep 25, 2016 3:00 PM

One Person Train Operation.

Without conductors, CTA trains have a one- or two-second delay when stopping at (and leaving) platforms where the doors open on the left. The operator has to bring the train to a full stop, then go to the left side of the cab to open the doors.

ardecila Sep 25, 2016 7:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Downtown (Post 7573848)
Stopping an MU metro consist with dynamic braking on every axle is a lot different from stopping a freight train.

I didn't think platform doors without automation was practical, but I saw them recently in Japan (on the private Aoyama Railway, serving Nagoya). Seoul also seems to be retrofitting all lines with them, and I'm not sure all those lines are automated.

Looks like the platform door is significantly wider than the actual train door; this gives the operator a 4'-5' window in which to stop the train, which should be doable even for a novice.

But yeah, somehow this is an engineering challenge on par with the moonshot... :rolleyes:

Tom Servo Sep 28, 2016 12:48 AM

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...927-story.html

This city needs to divert all bike traffic through neighborhood streets and away from the major arteries. This is horrible. Every time I see people biking down Western or Ashland or Milwaukee or any major traffic artery I wonder why the city allows it! It's so stupid and dangerous.

HowardL Sep 28, 2016 1:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Servo (Post 7576673)
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...927-story.html

This city needs to divert all bike traffic through neighborhood streets and away from the major arteries. This is horrible. Every time I see people biking down Western or Ashland or Milwaukee or any major traffic artery I wonder why the city allows it! It's so stupid and dangerous.

I would take an opposing position.

Major streets are the great attractors in a neighborhood and people should be encouraged to arrive and circulate by walking or biking.

What is dangerous is the mindset that cars are the default norm and should be given precedence over other, often more efficient, modes of transport.

We need to re-educate motorists in this city that a suburban "cars rule the roads" mindset is inappropriate and dangerous on city streets.

denizen467 Sep 28, 2016 9:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Servo (Post 7576673)
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...927-story.html

This city needs to divert all bike traffic through neighborhood streets and away from the major arteries. This is horrible. Every time I see people biking down Western or Ashland or Milwaukee or any major traffic artery I wonder why the city allows it! It's so stupid and dangerous.

I've been saying this for a while. Under good conditions things are dicey; add snow or rain or construction or potholes and collisions are guaranteed at some point; you can't legislate it away. Ideally there would be a bike route the next street over from any major artery. It would be comfy and wide; it might cost a lot of money to shift sidewalks or curbs or parking lanes but it would be worth it; bike commuting could be made less stressful and more enjoyable. Then cycles need not necessarily be prevented from using arteries but would have the safer options available.

k1052 Sep 28, 2016 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HowardL (Post 7576687)
I would take an opposing position.

Major streets are the great attractors in a neighborhood and people should be encouraged to arrive and circulate by walking or biking.

What is dangerous is the mindset that cars are the default norm and should be given precedence over other, often more efficient, modes of transport.

We need to re-educate motorists in this city that a suburban "cars rule the roads" mindset is inappropriate and dangerous on city streets.

As, almost exclusively, a pedestrian I could not agree more.

CTA Gray Line Sep 29, 2016 10:34 AM

Illinois Transportation Symposium
 
The Illinois Transportation Symposium will be held on Tuesday November 15, in Chicago's Cultural Center at Michigan & Randolph: www.illinoistransportationsymposium.com

The CTA Gray Line Project will be an Exhibitor there, please attend if you can: http://bit.ly/GrayLineInfo

Via Chicago Sep 29, 2016 8:53 PM

Red Line extension to 130th moving forward

http://chicago.curbed.com/2016/9/29/...ago-south-side

ardecila Sep 29, 2016 9:30 PM

Yeah, I assume the new transit TIF legislation is spurring this development... although there's probably not much tax revenue to be reaped from Roseland these days.

Anyway, as I learned a few years back, CTA needs a new and bigger yard on the South Side to support higher service levels on the Red Line. The current yard in the median of the Bishop Ford has no room to expand, but after the extension CTA will have room for a gigantic yard at 130th.

Still sucks that there is no transfer to Metra Electric planned.

OhioGuy Sep 29, 2016 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Via Chicago (Post 7578622)
Red Line extension to 130th moving forward

http://chicago.curbed.com/2016/9/29/...ago-south-side

I assume the writer simply used the wrong terminology here...

Quote:

According to the CTA, there are two different ways this extension can be one. One is building light rail on the west side of the existing Union Pacific Railroad line, and the other is to construct the rail on the east side of the tracks. And to help make the final decision, the CTA is asking for feedback from residents.

chicagopcclcar1 Sep 29, 2016 11:18 PM

CTA Announces Next Phase For Red Line Extension
 
The Tribune in its afternoon edition.....The CTA is moving forward on plans for the long-discussed extension of the Red Line to 130th Street, which will include a two-month period of public comment.

The next steps are part of a series of requirements before funding can be sought for the project and construction could begin.


[IMG]http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s...g-20160929.jpg[/IMG]
CTA Artist Drawing Showing Planned 103rd St Station.

jpIllInoIs Sep 30, 2016 7:07 PM

^ What a massive blowout waste: 2.3b (to start) when the ME runs right by the proposed station stops. i can think of 5 projects that would actually boost ridership, add TOD potential and most importantly add connectivity.
1) extend Green Line along 63rd west to Midway and connect Orange.
2) extend Pink Line to Hines VA Maywood
3) extend Brown Line to Blue Line Montrose
4) build Clinton/Larrabee line including southern leg on Halsted with stop on east side of UIC and at Archer Orange, 31st, 35th, 43rd.
5) Even Gray Line proposal is better use of funds.

chicagopcclcar1 Sep 30, 2016 7:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jpIllInoIs (Post 7579509)
What a massive blowout waste: 2.3b (to start) when the ME runs right by the proposed station stops. i can think of 5 projects that would actually boost ridership, add TOD potential and most importantly add connectivity.

You don't live there!! Metra is not even in the ball park! ME is miles away. ME does not go where the people want to go.

DH

k1052 Sep 30, 2016 7:28 PM

It would seem Rahm intends to run for re-election....

BVictor1 Oct 1, 2016 1:43 AM

Daniel Burnham's Chinatown-To-Downtown Roadway Is Finally Being Built
 
https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/2016...daniel-burnham

Daniel Burnham's Chinatown-To-Downtown Roadway Is Finally Being Built
By Ed Komenda and David Matthews | September 30, 2016 4:45am | Updated on September 30, 2016 11:06am


CHINATOWN — Daniel Burnham proposed it. Engineers and laborers moved the Chicago River to make room for it.

But more than a century passed before construction got started on a road connecting Chinatown and Downtown.

Work began this week on the long-promised Wells-Wentworth Connector, according to city officials and Ald. Danny Solis (25th).

The new $62 million roadway will realign Wentworth Avenue and Cermak Road, in turn easing congestion for Chinatown and South Loop residents heading Downtown.

https://assets.dnainfo.com/photo/201...extralarge.png

Though modest, the project's initial phase near Wentworth and 18th Street is an important first step toward realizing the city's longtime plan to better connect the area just south of Downtown to the city's core.

CTA Gray Line Oct 1, 2016 4:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chicagopcclcar1 (Post 7579525)
You don't live there!! Metra is not even in the ball park! ME is miles away. ME does not go where the people want to go.

DH

I did live there for 58 yrs., and spending $2+Billions on six route miles is criminally ridiculous, and it certainly does nothing for the South Lakefront.

You are entitled to your opinion, just like everybody else is entitled to thiers; and I of course agree with jpillinois.

CTA Gray Line Oct 1, 2016 5:07 AM

How will the RLE relieve overcrowding on the Red Line? During the many years I boarded at 87th St., most of the time one had to let 2 or more trains pass before there was one with room to board; now there will be no room to board before they even reach 95th!

The RLE still only leaves one South Side 'L' Line South of 63rd, including Metra Electric's lines would provide 3 parallel 'L' Lines all the way downtown. (like the North Side has)

denizen467 Oct 1, 2016 8:57 PM

^ Isn't the yard at 95th St at capacity? So a new, larger yard at the southern terminus would finally allow more frequency during rush hour, presumably.

CTA Gray Line Oct 2, 2016 3:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by denizen467 (Post 7580362)
^ Isn't the yard at 95th St at capacity? So a new, larger yard at the southern terminus would finally allow more frequency during rush hour, presumably.

And serving the South Lakefront - Bronzeville, Hyde Park, South Shore, South Chicago, etc., etc.... The RLE obviously goes nowhere near them!

chicagopcclcar1 Oct 2, 2016 2:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by denizen467 (Post 7580362)
^ Isn't the yard at 95th St at capacity? So a new, larger yard at the southern terminus would finally allow more frequency during rush hour, presumably.

http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s...f/P1130401.jpg

http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s...f/P1130397.jpg

The southern Red line yard is called 98th St. yard. It is filled in non-rush periods, but that's due to the extra cars assigned the line.... leftovers from 5000 series. CTA would say more frequency would depend on getting the "flyover" built at Clark Jct. There is no overcrowding on the Dan Ryan trains anymore despite what another poster says. True, there is space for a yard facility should the extension go to 130th St.

David Harrison

Tom Servo Oct 2, 2016 9:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jpIllInoIs (Post 7579509)
^ What a massive blowout waste: 2.3b (to start) when the ME runs right by the proposed station stops. i can think of 5 projects that would actually boost ridership, add TOD potential and most importantly add connectivity.
1) extend Green Line along 63rd west to Midway and connect Orange.
2) extend Pink Line to Hines VA Maywood
3) extend Brown Line to Blue Line Montrose
4) build Clinton/Larrabee line including southern leg on Halsted with stop on east side of UIC and at Archer Orange, 31st, 35th, 43rd.
5) Even Gray Line proposal is better use of funds.

Good points. But remember: the CTA is notoriously bad at wasting money on useless projects.

Jim in Chicago Oct 3, 2016 2:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BVictor1 (Post 7579824)
https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/2016...daniel-burnham

Daniel Burnham's Chinatown-To-Downtown Roadway Is Finally Being Built
By Ed Komenda and David Matthews | September 30, 2016 4:45am | Updated on September 30, 2016 11:06am


CHINATOWN — Daniel Burnham proposed it. Engineers and laborers moved the Chicago River to make room for it.

But more than a century passed before construction got started on a road connecting Chinatown and Downtown.

Work began this week on the long-promised Wells-Wentworth Connector, according to city officials and Ald. Danny Solis (25th).

The new $62 million roadway will realign Wentworth Avenue and Cermak Road, in turn easing congestion for Chinatown and South Loop residents heading Downtown.

https://assets.dnainfo.com/photo/201...extralarge.png

Though modest, the project's initial phase near Wentworth and 18th Street is an important first step toward realizing the city's longtime plan to better connect the area just south of Downtown to the city's core.

I still fail to understand why the connection at Cermak creates that crazy intersection that lines up with nothing, and creating the need to make two turns within just a few feed.. Wouldn't it be better to blow through that surface parking lot next to the CTA tracks, and create clean connection onto and off of the feeder ramp?

Mr Downtown Oct 3, 2016 6:44 PM

The idea is to create a safer connector between neighborhoods, and serving an expanded Chinatown—not an expressway feeder. The surface parking lot is owned by IDOT, land purchased when the Chinatown feeder was going to go all the way to Wacker & Harrison. The new vision is for a normal street, not a junior expressway. We want Dan Ryan traffic to realize it's on city streets now, and to be split among Canal, Clark, State, and (someday) Wells-Wentworth.

CTA Gray Line Oct 3, 2016 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Servo (Post 7581126)
Good points. But remember: the CTA is notoriously bad at wasting money on useless projects.

The Red Line Extension is like a $500 Hot Dog, so CTA gets to spend $500 "for us", and we should be just sooooooo grateful!

IF somebody is going to spend $500 (or $2.3B) "on me", I want a choice in what it buys; not a $500 Pro Chef Cooking Set when my refrigerator is empty! The RLE is CORPORATE WELFARE for Walsh, Pepper, or whomever made the biggest Campaign Contributions -- and the Public is supposed to be TOO STUPID to be able to recognize that for themselves.

Even a $50 Hot Dog would be a better use of Funds - but we have little or no choice (like Block 37 - and the continued spending even TODAY on the Idiotic "Airport Express" concept -- $2M to Parsons-Brinkerhoff)!

I know one person will say that I'm WRONG, but what do the rest of you think?

denizen467 Oct 4, 2016 6:55 AM

The radio just reported that NICTD is considering double-tracking all the way from Gary to Michigan City.

In fact there seems to be a public meeting on it -- Tuesday night -- in Gary. www.mysouthshoreline.com/news/item/47-double-track-nwi-public-workshops

This could end up being a modest boost to the airport at South Bend too. (And to some extent to the outlet mall in Michigan City.)

Ryanrule Oct 4, 2016 5:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Servo (Post 7581126)
Good points. But remember: the CTA is notoriously bad at wasting money on useless projects.

privatize it all, right?

ardecila Oct 4, 2016 7:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Downtown (Post 7581942)
The idea is to create a safer connector between neighborhoods, and serving an expanded Chinatown—not an expressway feeder. The surface parking lot is owned by IDOT, land purchased when the Chinatown feeder was going to go all the way to Wacker & Harrison. The new vision is for a normal street, not a junior expressway. We want Dan Ryan traffic to realize it's on city streets now, and to be split among Canal, Clark, State, and (someday) Wells-Wentworth.

I've always disagreed with this approach. There's very little traffic on Wentworth south of Cermak - why does it need to connect to anything?

Also, the T intersection of the feeder ramp into Cermak creates very dangerous conditions for pedestrians, especially since there's an L station right there. Lots of turning movements, large trucks, people transferring from bus to train, tourists, students, etc.

I don't see why Wentworth can't be a surface extension of the feeder. Use lane widths and streetscaping treatments to calm traffic. Or, better yet, link the two severed halves of 23rd Street with a new stoplight, and start calming the feeder traffic before it gets to Cermak.

Jim in Chicago Oct 5, 2016 6:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ardecila (Post 7583369)
I've always disagreed with this approach. There's very little traffic on Wentworth south of Cermak - why does it need to connect to anything?

Also, the T intersection of the feeder ramp into Cermak creates very dangerous conditions for pedestrians, especially since there's an L station right there. Lots of turning movements, large trucks, people transferring from bus to train, tourists, students, etc.

I don't see why Wentworth can't be a surface extension of the feeder. Use lane widths and streetscaping treatments to calm traffic. Or, better yet, link the two severed halves of 23rd Street with a new stoplight, and start calming the feeder traffic before it gets to Cermak.

Thanks. I wasn't arguing that it should be a superhighway, but more that creating an very awkward intersection that requires multiple turns withing a very short distance for those going straight from the feeder onto Wells seems unnecessary, when the land exists to make a clean four-way intersection. I think that idea that the majority of the traffic will continue from Wells onto Wentworth (and the the reverse is a fallacy. Most traffic, IMHO, whether the intent of the project or not, will use the feeder and Wells as a route to Roosevelt and into the loop and the project should acknowledge that.

Mr Downtown Oct 6, 2016 2:41 AM

But this project is making a clean four-way intersection at Wentworth & Cermak. And shifting that intersection 100 feet west should eliminate a lot of the confusion under the L line. Lots more pedestrians are walking along Wentworth trying to cross Cermak than along the expressway feeder.

Ryanrule Oct 6, 2016 3:13 AM

The current intersection is a cluster. This will make it much better.

chicagopcclcar1 Oct 6, 2016 3:33 PM

Red Line Public Meeting Announcement
 
You're invited to a Public Hearing on the
Red Line Extension Project
Draft Environmental Impact Statement and Section 4(f) Evaluation Available for Public Review

CTA and Federal Transit Administration (FTA) are proposing to extend the Red Line 5.3 miles from 95th Street to 130th Street. Click here to learn more about the project.
http://www.transitchicago.com/redeis/default.aspx

Tuesday, November 1, 2016
5:30 to 7:30 PM
St. John Missionary Baptist Church
211 E. 115th Street, Chicago, IL 60628
This location is served by:
CTA Bus #34, #115, #119, and Metra Electric Kensington Station

This facility is accessible to people with disabilities.
This meeting will be conducted in an open house format.


CTA and FTA have prepared a Draft Environmental Impact Statement (EIS) based on the technical analysis of impacts of the proposed project. The Draft EIS documents the benefits and impacts of the alternatives being considered, which include impacts to parks and wetlands. Click here to review the Draft EIS on the RLE Project website. Hard copies of the Draft EIS also are available for review through November 30, 2016. Click here to learn more about reviewing the Draft EIS.

Comments on the Draft EIS are being accepted until November 30, 2016 at 4:30 PM. Comments on the Draft EIS may be made verbally to a court reporter or in writing during the hearing. You also can submit comments via e-mail to RedExtension@transitchicago.com or by mail to Chicago Transit Authority, Strategic Planning, 10th Floor, Attn: Red Line Extension Project, 567 W. Lake Street, Chicago, IL 60661.

Do you require assistance?
If you require an interpreter, including sign language services, or other accommodations at this public hearing, contact Gerald Nichols, CTA Government and Community Relations, at least 5 days before the public hearing at 312-681-2710 or GNichols@transitchicago.com.

Para más informacion en Español, llame al 312-681-2710
Customer Information: 1-888-YOUR-CTA (1-888-968-7282)

Thank you for your continued interest.

RLE Project Team
Chicago Transit Authority
E-Mail received from CTA 10/06/2016

MayorOfChicago Oct 6, 2016 4:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ardecila (Post 7583369)
I've always disagreed with this approach. There's very little traffic on Wentworth south of Cermak - why does it need to connect to anything?

Also, the T intersection of the feeder ramp into Cermak creates very dangerous conditions for pedestrians, especially since there's an L station right there. Lots of turning movements, large trucks, people transferring from bus to train, tourists, students, etc.

I don't see why Wentworth can't be a surface extension of the feeder. Use lane widths and streetscaping treatments to calm traffic. Or, better yet, link the two severed halves of 23rd Street with a new stoplight, and start calming the feeder traffic before it gets to Cermak.

Yeah, back in the day when this was all empty or falling down you could have just run those ramps from Cermak straight up straddling the red line tracks, over the St Charles Air Line, follow up near Wells and connect them right into Wacker/Frankin at Harrison as a 4-lane street. The only messy part is they would have to straddle right around the Chinatown Red Line. Unless maybe they had at least pushed the lanes all to the east of the station as opposed to the west would have helped a bit.

CTA Gray Line Oct 7, 2016 10:19 AM

Is $2 Billion Red Line Extension Best Way to Provide Transit in Far South Side
 
http://chi.streetsblog.org/2016/10/0...ar-south-side/

Thursday, October 6, 2016

"The Chicago Transit Authority released a major study today, he next step in the developing project to extend the Red Line southward from the 95th Street terminal to 130th Street......."

chicagopcclcar1 Oct 13, 2016 8:13 PM

CTA Special Moves This Weekend, 10/15, 10/16.
 
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s...f/P1140986.jpg

Saturday, 10/15, the Cincinnati Cars, #4271-4272 will be used to transport guests to a closed Open House at Skokie Shops. No public access aboard trains. Photography from public areas.

http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s...f/P1060753.jpg

Sunday, 10/16, Midway 3200 series cars will run on a charter through subways on Red and Blue lines between 10:30 and 14:00. Rare mileage for these cars.

DH

mrsmartman Oct 14, 2016 3:49 AM

^^ Metro train running on road level ROW, right?

chicagopcclcar1 Oct 14, 2016 4:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrsmartman (Post 7593020)
^^ Metro train running on road level ROW, right?

Yes. "Metro"...used throughout Europe. Old term..."heavy transit"....elevated, el, in Chicago, Illinois "L". Chicago has many miles of surface running, Brown, Purple, Yellow, and Pink lines.
DH

denizen467 Oct 17, 2016 10:13 AM

There's been interesting structural work being done on the Wabash el at Madison for several weeks now. One big change is that the section spanning Madison has been replaced and now has a thinner profile, which should look pretty cool from a distance (I wonder if the increased road clearance was a motivating factor or just a useful result). Also, lots of vertical supports up and down Wabash have been sawed off and replaced. I wonder if ultimately there will be fewer of them in the middle of the pavement at intersections; the Van Buren style of shoving the supports out to the curbs would be useful at intersections.

Anyway, I'm surprised there haven't been lots of photos and info here about this.

Ryanrule Oct 17, 2016 12:51 PM

wish they would build concrete supports to cut down on the noise.

ardecila Oct 17, 2016 7:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by denizen467 (Post 7595447)
There's been interesting structural work being done on the Wabash el at Madison for several weeks now. One big change is that the section spanning Madison has been replaced and now has a thinner profile, which should look pretty cool from a distance (I wonder if the increased road clearance was a motivating factor or just a useful result). Also, lots of vertical supports up and down Wabash have been sawed off and replaced. I wonder if ultimately there will be fewer of them in the middle of the pavement at intersections; the Van Buren style of shoving the supports out to the curbs would be useful at intersections.

Anyway, I'm surprised there haven't been lots of photos and info here about this.

Probably they intended to increase clearance, or they wouldn't have replaced the steel. Usually they just strip/repaint it or sometimes replace the welds or rivets to ensure strength.

chicagopcclcar1 Oct 25, 2016 4:37 PM

Update...Washington-Wabash "L" station under construction
 
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s...f/P1150125.jpg

View northbound from a private charter 10/16/2016. Elevator towers are up.
DH

UPChicago Oct 25, 2016 4:38 PM

A "private charter" excuse me?

Kippis Oct 25, 2016 5:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UPChicago (Post 7603211)
A "private charter" excuse me?

I think it was a special event held by the CTA this past Oct. 15th and 16th.

Also, did anyone see this? From the CTA Facebook page:

Quote:

http://ow.ly/oqbC305gWL7

Mayor Emanuel, CTA Announce Belmont Blue Station Upgrades to Feature Notable Architecture

10/17/2016

CTA plans upgrades for Belmont Blue station and bus terminal to create attractive community gateway, modernize facility

Mayor Rahm Emanuel and Chicago Transit Authority President Dorval R. Carter, Jr. today announced plans to use a new improvement project at the Belmont station on the Blue Line O’Hare branch to infuse unique architecture into the Northwest Side neighborhood.

The project will include a community gateway, architecturally enhancing the street-level entrance to the Belmont subway station, and will improve the bus arrival/departure areas to speed bus boarding and provide a safer, more comfortable environment for pedestrians. The most visible element will be an architectural canopy above the Belmont station entrance. Designed by the Chicago architecture firm Carol Ross Barney, the canopy will provide an expanded covered area for waiting customers, while creating a strong visual identifier for both the CTA and the community [...]
http://www.trbimg.com/img-58054926/t...17/650/650x366

http://www.trbimg.com/img-58054926/t...17/650/650x366

BVictor1 Oct 25, 2016 5:32 PM

http://www.chicagobusiness.com/artic...-obama-library

October 25, 2016
The $100 million dream: MacArthur may fund better Loop, Obama library transit

Greg Hinz on Politics

Quote:

Lured by a $100 million carrot, a Chicago civic group is ramping up its effort to revive plans for expanded transit service in the bustling and increasingly congested Loop area with a new element: better transit to the Barack Obama library site, too, combined with new investment in housing and jobs on the South Side.

The new proposal comes from the Chicago Central Area Committee, a 60-year-old organization focused on growing and making downtown work better. It's being disclosed now because CCAC is bidding for an innovative $100 million grant that Chicago-based MacArthur Foundation is offering for the best big idea worldwide. Those applications were due early this month, and the foundation is expected to release its short list of finalists soon.

Though CCAC's plan is expansive, even wild in its ambition, it puts together in one spot two obvious concerns: downtown's need for added capacity on Chicago Transit Authority lines from the north and west, which now are near capacity in peak hours, and the South Side's need for both new service and massive redevelopment help.

The catalyst is the Obama library, which would be at the east end of the Hyde Park neighborhood in Jackson Park, roughly between 60th and 63rd streets. Right now, the location has only occasional service nearby on Metra's lakefront Electric Line.

"Chicago today is two cities," says a CCAC video submitted as part of the MacArthur application. "One buzzing with life and attracting the world's best and brightest. . . .The other is in need of investment.”

A narrator in the video is Jacky Grimshaw, a major figure in the city's African-American political establishment who served as Mayor Harold Washington's intergovernmental relations chief and, until recently, was Obama's next-door neighbor in Kenwood. She's now vice president of policy at the Center for Neighborhood Technology.

"We need to expand our transit system. And we need to bring in people who have been left out," Grimshaw said in an interview. "It's a vision. I can't put a guarantee on it. But (Obama) could help get us where we need to go.”
http://www.chicagobusiness.com/apps/...20161025113129


https://www.scribd.com/document/3287...ion#from_embed

chicagopcclcar1 Oct 25, 2016 6:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UPChicago (Post 7603211)
A "private charter" excuse me?

CTA will charter a train to individual or groups. http://www.transitchicago.com/chartertrain/

Kippis.....This was not the CTA Skokie Shop Open House 10/15. That was public with reservation required.....sold out. 10/16 was a private charter featuring the Initial Subway tour.

DH

Randomguy34 Oct 25, 2016 6:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BVictor1 (Post 7603258)
http://www.chicagobusiness.com/artic...-obama-library

October 25, 2016
The $100 million dream: MacArthur may fund better Loop, Obama library tran

Here's the proposed routing of the plan. This adaptation may have some legs to it (at least the frequent MED Line part of it) since Rahm is interested in it.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cvn108TW8AEYhbv.jpg
Source: http://ccac.org/wp-content/uploads/2...nector-PDF.pdf

CTA Gray Line Oct 26, 2016 6:06 AM

Chicago Transit Redevelopment Trust Proposal Video
 
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=V_QoJg...ature=youtu.be

orulz Oct 27, 2016 2:59 PM

Not sure I like this proposal. The closest analogue I can think of is the Miami Metromover, although this proposal would be about three times as large (14 miles, vs 4.4 miles for Metromover.) Metromover is moderately successful but I think more could be gained from revising Chicago's rail network to be more RER-like.

A particular nitpick: the two east/west lines on Roosevelt and Cermak seem like an awkward and unnecessary bifurcation of service. The obvious solution is to use the St Charles Air Line, but for whatever reason, they didn't even consider it as a possibility.

emathias Oct 27, 2016 3:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by orulz (Post 7605096)
...
The obvious solution is to use the St Charles Air Line, but for whatever reason, they didn't even consider it as a possibility.

Probably because a) it's supposedly still in (very occasional) use, b) it's been earmarked for future HSR routing and c) it'd be very difficult to create a transfer to the Wabash elevated lines at 16th street.

ardecila Oct 27, 2016 5:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by orulz (Post 7605096)
Not sure I like this proposal. The closest analogue I can think of is the Miami Metromover, although this proposal would be about three times as large (14 miles, vs 4.4 miles for Metromover.) Metromover is moderately successful but I think more could be gained from revising Chicago's rail network to be more RER-like.

A particular nitpick: the two east/west lines on Roosevelt and Cermak seem like an awkward and unnecessary bifurcation of service. The obvious solution is to use the St Charles Air Line, but for whatever reason, they didn't even consider it as a possibility.

The white paper (mostly Ed Zotti) very explictly compares it to Docklands Light Rail in London, which I think is a somewhat better comparison than Metromover.

DLR actually serves as the main form of rail transit for a huge swath of East London and is actually well-used by commuters and residents and well-integrated with a large transit system. It's hard to dismiss DLR as a one-off gimmick like the Detroit or Miami systems, and it was used to solve a similar dilemma in London - how to extend frequent transit to a vast, developing area under the severe fiscal constraints of the Thatcher era.

What's totally unclear to me is how the study authors plan to squeeze a light metro system along much of the alignment. Carroll Street makes sense, but are they proposing to dig a tunnel under Clinton St? Or put some ugly aerial structure? DLR is mostly elevated and terribly ugly, but it was built through totally vacant areas in advance of development. The northern and southern extensions raise similar questions about alignment.


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