Chill.

Woah..woah there bud. (talking to you like a horse) Calm down. It's cool. Take some CBD, however...

We must first get through
DELTA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
then
LAMBDA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Temporarily richer on average maybe, but we all owe the bill on the Federal debt that was required to maintain such a standard of living during the longest lockdowns in the developed world.

Yeah exactly.

From Nite's perspective the Canadian government should just spend and increase spending forever then everybody in Canada will be better off.

-Said Nobody

I'm trying to chill but I'm so scared of the new variants.

One....then another....then another.....it's like sequel after sequel of Friday the 13th. Just like Jason, 'Rona just keeps coming back, it never dies!!!

We're DOOOOMEED!!!!! :dead:

I just can’t figure out what the concern is here.

You and your wife are vaccinated. Your kids teachers are vaccinated (if they’re not, it’s their own problem). The school janitors and the lunch lady and the school bus driver are vaccinated (if not, then again, their own problem). So why do the kids need to be vaccinated? So they don’t get the sniffles (if that) and then have antibodies anyway?

Wearing masks also can’t be good for kids’ social development.

Separately, I had a colleague tell me last week that he took his family on a one week vacation (in England), at the cost of a couple grand for 4 people, and on day 3 got a call from Public Health England saying the whole family had to go home and “self-isolate” because one of his daughter’s classmates had tested positive for Covid. Fuck. That. I would keep my kids remote or just have them skip a semester until this horseshit is over.

Wow, talk about the point sailing right over one's head.

I want my kids, and all CPS kids, to get vaxxed ASAP in case some dumb covid variant has a breakout among America's dip-shit class and gets the CTU's panties in a bunch and we have to go back to fucking remote learning "for the sake of children". If all the kids are vaxxed, then they'll have one less leg to stand on in trying to make that argument.

I NEED my kids physically in school, all day, 5 days a week.

Remote "learning" is 100% bullshit.




I agree, which is another reason I hope that young children can start getting vaxxed soon, because then CPS might relax its stringent mask rules.

I can only speak for myself but...

I'm mildly concerned about my 11-year-old daughter, as she's actually post-pubescent, and teens are about as likely to get seriously ill as 20somethings. We still try to be careful with her when we go out. But she turns 12 in August, and will be getting her first shot the day after her birthday, so the window for concern is drawing to a close.

With my seven-year-old son, I'm not concerned at all really, because I know it's unlikely he'd catch it even if exposed, unlikely he'd spread it, and very unlikely he'd get seriously ill. That said, a year and a half of online schooling has scarred me, and I'm terrified of backsliding to remote learning again in the fall due to the overreactions of other parents. FWIW he's been socialized to wear a mask now, even in situations I don't think it's entirely needed (like playing outside far from other kids) but he insists on wearing it, so I'm not going to go against him.

The risk to teenagers is exceptionally low.

2020-2021 in the 0-17 age group:
49,047 deaths from all causes.
331 Covid-19 deaths.
185 influenza deaths.

0-17 Covid deaths represents 0.05% of all Covid deaths in America.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/c....htm#SexAndAge


5-18 age group: 271 Covid deaths from 1/4/2020 to 7/3/2021.
Considering this is a running total from the beginning, that's incredibly low.

^ just think of the thousands of children who drown every year against those 331 covid deaths, yet we haven't outlawed beaches and pools "for the sake of the children".

or think of the thousands of children who are killed in car wrecks every year against those 331 covid deaths, yet we haven't outlawed automobiles "for the sake of the children".



our society has lost all manner of perspective.

The numbers you sited are for all children, not for teens/tweens:

https://images.theconversation.com/f...=1000&fit=clip

Ages 10-19 have an identical risk profile of death to people 20-39. Of course, it's a low risk of death (1 out of 500 for those diagnosed) but it's there.

In contrast, COVID is no risk at all to smaller children, unless they have a compromised immune system or something.

Regardless, as I said, we ask our daughter to just take normal precautions when she goes out - masking up and the like. I would be okay taking her to a restaurant, but I'm not sure my wife would.

I don't really take any serious precautions with my son - I've taken him out lots of places already. He wears a mask, but as I said, he actually insists on it himself lots of times I wouldn't press it, like playing outside.

Yep

I’ve been saying this all along, at least in regards to children and younger people.

It’s nice that more and more people of varying demographic and political perspectives are starting to come around to this same conclusion

Nothing sailed over my head. The concern is unfounded. Variants are meaningless and the whole topic is just a media attempt to keep the Covid story bringing readership and viewers.

But if the teachers’ union wants to make a bullshit argument, it will make a bullshit argument. It won’t matter if your kids are vaccinated. They will say they’re concerned about some variant (that may or may not excuse as yet) “evading the vaccines”, which is what the lockdown forever crowd over here are currently going on about.

These people just need to be told to shut up and do their jobs.

you're wrong.

having all of the kids vaxxed (along with all of the teachers and other employees) will give the CTU one less leg to stand on in terms of public perception.

perhaps you've been away from chicago to long to remember how the game is played.

^ I’m just saying that even if you take away that argument, they will make another. And they will. People who are in favor of lockdowns, and of not going to work, forever will always make an argument.

yes, they will try.

but if we can get all of the kids vaxxed.....

then they'll look even more foolish and self-serving without their Helen Lovejoy shield of "won't somebody please think of the children".

that's been my whole point of why i want my kids to get vaxxed: to decrease the chances of us having to deal with fucking remote "learning" again.

i'd eat my own goddamn shit if it meant lowering the chances of going back to fucking remote "learning" again.

The suburbs are beckoning, my friend.

Trade one turd for another:

Urbanism + CTU (turd)

Vs

Sprawl (turd) + kids in school

It’s down to that

well, FWIW, everything at the moment is pointing towards 5-day in-school learning this fall for CPS (knocking on every single piece of wood with arm reach), so most of this is just my own fear talking from the utter hell of a year+ of remote "learning" bullshit.

the burbs are not my bag. we're now locked into a 30 year mortgage on our "forever" home here in lincoln square. we'll be here for decades.

Well, it's not just about the fish; the freshness of it does play a part, but so does the quality and how well it's cut. I'm sure you've had sushi where the proportions are all wrong/the cut of the roll or the fish is too big or whatever, or the shape of the nigiri sushi is all bad.

And of course not all sushi is fish. I'm sure many of us have had good tamago or the bad tamago which is all rubbery (yuck). Then there's the roe, the ankimo...

And then there's the quality of the sushi rice, the texture---even the temperature. There's a sushi place my partner and I go to that has really good sushi, and we've heard a group at another table complaining among themselves that the sushi rice was too "warm." We were thinking that maybe those people are used to refrigerated supermarket sushi or Asian buffet sushi (and it's been my experience that I've never had good sushi at an Asian buffet). From what I've been told, sushi rice is supposed to be "body temperature" or "room temperature." If you're going to a sushi place that serves sushi with cold rice, it's not a good sushi place. Sushi should be made to order---I'd be suspicious about cold sushi rice. And, I'm not into the sushi that some people order that have all that sauce drizzled on it; a lot of the sushi places I go to don't even offer any of that. Or that sushi that's really just a lox and cream cheese nori/rice roll? Philadelphia roll, I think it's called?

So a lot of things constitute what makes a good sushi place. What I've heard from NYC transplants (and definitely from LA residents), is that the sushi in LA is generally better than the sushi in NYC. I don't know if it has to do with the training of the sushi chefs on the east coast, or if maybe the sushi chefs in NYC prepare their sushi to suit the preference of people in NY, I really don't know. I've never had sushi in NYC.

Haha, total change of subject, I know!

Covid-19 total deaths since January 2020 and Deaths from all causes


0-17 - 331 out of 49,047 from all causes
18-29 - 2,424 out of 92,563
30-39 - 6,974 out of 132,053
40-49 - 18,534 out of 197,030
50-64 - 94,634 out of 821,106

in the 0-29 age group, there have only been 2,755 Covid-19 deaths out of a total of 141,610 deaths from all causes. Covid-19 deaths represent just 1.9% of all the deaths in people under the age of 30.

Suicide, car accidents, drug overdosing is more of a threat to people under 30 than Covid-19.

Drug overdose deaths in San Francisco killed twice as many people than Covid-19 did. OD deaths are young people, Covid deaths are old people with other health ailments.

A 30 year mortgage ain’t a lock. Just sell the damn place! ;) (I kid, I know where you stand)

Btw, if in the off chance CPD ridiculously stays with remote learning this fall, be sure to post pics of CTU school teachers out and about at restaurants, shopping, etc on social media. Nothing like some public shaming to do the trick!

Do what everybody else does over there, sell and move to the west coast of Florida, not the Chicago suburbs!

Ugh.

Gulf Coast Florida is even worse, LOL! :haha:

j/k florida forumers, but the vast majority of gulf coast Florida that I've been to is just not my speed at all. However, lots of other people seem to like it enough, including legions of former Chicagoans, so.....

Someone was talking about Theta variants yesterday? Well lo and behold look what shows up on my youtube home screen today...

https://i.imgur.com/7d3mHJ4.png

Official cause of death isn't very reliable. COVID deaths were being vastly underreported as official cause of death in the U.S. last year.

Between 2014 and 2019 the average increase in total deaths from one year to the next was 1.2%. Total deaths in the U.S. were up by 19% in 2020 over 2019. We haven't seen anything like 2020 in a very long time in this country. And, if you can believe it, 2021 started off even worse. Looking at the first quarter of this year, we were well on our way to have a deadlier 2021 than we had in 2020.

Delta is so yesterday, it's all about LAMBDA! It's coming for you. Be afraid, be very afraid, good sir.

Are you saying the CDC can't track the total number of American deaths? And are you saying that of those deaths, Covid isn't being detected?

I'm already worried about the Theta+ variant. I'm waiting for the goofballs at CNN to spook us out about that pretty soon.

Be scared! BE SCARED of those teeny little microbes forever!!!!!

:haha:

I can't wait for Mu! Sounds cool. I got infected with MU!

https://oppidanlibrary.com/wp-conten...et-Letters.jpg

Seems like some of you are scared (fear porn accepted) that there will be another round of shutdowns and masks from the variants, and I would like to see how some of you react going back on lockdown. What will you do then? Ask for the manager of the lockdowns?

Cause of death is reported individually by states, not the CDC. There is no single standard for attributing cause of death due to COVID. The CDC just aggregates the data that states have provided them.

Ok. And what? You're in denial about the CDC stats on Covid deaths with kids? I don't understand why you're trying to muddy the picture here.

Covid is not dangerous to kids. It is exceptionally rare for a kid to die from Covid. We all know it.

It's pretty muddy already with deaths being the only qualifier for parents as "dangerous". It wouldn't be as muddy if you talked about long-covid or other things that can impact children if they get covid.
Terrible idea telling parents this...
You will not win, especially if there is even the slightest threat of anything bad for the kids. For example...losing the sense of taste. You can tell the parents "it's fine", but their kid still has no sense of taste.

Ignore the rules. Or move permanently to a place that doesn’t do lockdowns.

Can I do this for enforcement? I could even carry masks around just in case I see people not wearing them ;).
I would obviously follow mask rules, but not the physical assaulting ones. I'm picking a different one to ignore but it's basically the same thing.
That would be the American way.

My point is that the official tally is pretty meaningless if you're trying to understand the true scope. We know that the actual mortalities from COVID are much higher than the official tally.

I'm looking forward to Pi. Is it a letter or a number?

^ The Pi variant will actually be a friendly variant. It will give you super powers. You’ll turn into The Flash and be imbued with the speed force

The US won't tolerate more lockdowns and are largely done with masks. I see very few people wearing them. Even in places like Vermont and Massachusetts.

The variants may be a joke to some of you but Wall Street started panicing today at the possibility that the business renaissance could be slowed or halted due to the delta strain.

It doesn't take much to panic Wall Street; it's merely reacting to the hysteria fed by the media over the delta variant.

If you watch financial news long enough, you will realize that there are stories (fake news?) that are planted to create a tizzy of sorts, causing a brief sell-off, which allows investors to go in and buy the dip for quick profits.

It looks like yesterday's Delta panic is over, futures are up pre opening bell.
The markets are near all-time highs, there are many other things that'll spook the market other than Delta (Delta has already subsided in India and other places that aren't vaccinated).

Bring on LAMBDA and MU!

Indoors we are still at like 80% masked down here. Of course our vaccinated % is very low as well.

Wall St is about as feeble minded as you can get. Nothing rational or scientific about that crowd. They freak out over everything.

Scientific, rational discussions should never be impacted by the whims of a bunch of traders

You clearly know more than just about everybody on this subject. I invite you to continue to treat the financial professionals with contempt. They may be wrong but they will take you to the cleaners anyway.

Regardless, you are just on a crusade that conflicts with most people in your profession and every other profession with expertise on this subject so carry on.

I am partial to the Omicron variant
We should see it by the end of this year

While I agree with you regarding financial news (and news media in general) crying wolf, I'm not entirely sure that the economy is in the clear regarding COVID. Even if governments refrain from implementing lockdowns, a fast spreading or vaccine resistant variant could be a LOT of trouble for the economy. And if that happens, there will probably be less generous financial benefits for the people who lose work, which is probably what kept the economy afloat last year.

Nobody is arguing there are likely to be new lockdowns in the US. But most of the world hasn't been vaccinated to the degree the anglophone world and the EU have. And the delta variant is even causing new concern in China which has no hesitancy about locking down who and what it needs to.

If there are lockdowns in major US trading partners, it can hurt the US economy and that is the principle concern.

I know there are supply chain disruptions, but I'm personally not as concerned about potential lockdowns overseas affecting the U.S. economy as I am about a pullback in spending here in the U.S. affecting it. I think that is the most catastrophic situation that could occur, and it would be more likely to happen if there is a panic here regarding the virus and little support from the government.

As an example, the main reason that our airlines haven't all gone belly up is because the government stepped in to rescue them. If there is another severe slowdown in travel, I'm not sure that they'll get the same level of support.