Ya we're moving at light speed now with second doses. I want to get to 70% of the total population to not give any of the provincial government's ideas about further lockdowns.

For San Francisco, most of the west coast and northeast, comparable numbers would be 82% over 12 have had at least one dose and 74% are fully vaccinated. Anyplace lower than that is due mostly to "hesitancy" and they will suffer for it.

We might as well start tracking daily cases of the common cold at this point, this is so futile.

But sure, let’s keep a tally of Covid cases among vaccinated people who….ya know…..kinda aren’t dying. Let’s just do that forever while we’re at it :haha:

Yep

IF 10 years from now people start popping up with "covid vascular disease" or some other long-term sequelae we hardly know about now, we may have to do that. Time will tell.

so why do you think Canada is one of the few western countries where cases are still falling instead of rising?

disregarding the under 12's (who can't yet receive the vaccine), 99.9% of the people in the developed world who get hospitalized by or die from covid from here on out will be those who refuse to go get a vaccination.

i'm simply not capable of caring about those people.


#vaxhesitantlivesDON'Tmatter

So what? Are they seeing an outbreak in deaths among fully vaccinated? If not, doesn't matter.

Canada, overall, has done a good job with Covid. But that doesn't mean that some of their rules aren't nonsensical.

We’re talking past each other

Ain’t that the truth

The point is that the vaccinated can still infect the out vaccinated with covid
I am giving you a justification about why Canada keeping vaccinated non-Canadians out since you asked why.

Fair enough, but it’s one thing for the medical community to track cases for that reason.

But it’s a whole different thing to then have the scumsucking national media blare case counts out to the public on a daily basis, continually freaking out the more feeble minded members of our society.

Very true. All fun and games until the Covid man comes to town. :runaway:

Ah... that should be a Christmas carol.

You better get the shot
You better not complain
You better get the Pfizer
I'm telling you why
Covid Man is coming to town

(Common everyone, sing along!)

He's making a cough,
Fever and chills twice,
He's gonna find out who's vaccinated or not
Covid Man is coming to town

He sees you when you're breathing
And he knows when you're afraid
He knows if you've been pro-science or not
So be good for herd immunity sake
Covid Man is coming to town

You better get the shot!
You better not complain
You better not speak ill of Fauci, I'm telling you why
'Cause Covid man is coming to town
Oh let's go!

:fruit: :fruit: :fruit:

My dad is one of them. Didn’t want to get the vaccine for whatever reason and is now hospitalized with COVID.

I try to care but I honestly have a tough time doing so. I justify caring as remembering that large portions of America can be considered not fully developed and the following lack of education that follows but still use some common sense and get vaccinated - everything is inundated with the benefits of getting vaccinated. In the end I feel as you do.

I’m glad most things are back to normal but I sure do miss not having any traffic anywhere. During rona it took about 7 min to get downtown, now it takes at least 30 anytime during the day. And people seem to be driving crazier than ever.

I don't try.

I am cheering on the delta variant.

What humanity as a whole needs is to suppress this virus to sporadic status rather than endemic status--so-called "herd immunity" is another way of looking at the same thing. Given the level of "vaccine hesitancy" in the US, it now seems like the only way to do this is to boost "natural" post-infection immunity as much as possible and to accomplish that I WANT those who refuse vaccination to get covid as soon as possible. If they do, I wish them a mild case, but I want them to get it and for that reason I was cheered by the 4th of July crowds and hope for more of the same.

Perhaps but I do enjoy checking out worldometers covid statistics. I stopped looking at it for a while but am back to it now as this Delta variant is taking off in many countries now.

I'm so effing glad covid is finally over!

I'm finally taking my son (now 5) to an MLB game for the first time in his young life in a couple weeks.

I was hoping to do it last summer, but........

Noice! Cubs or White Sox?

I'll be attending a Giants game in a few weeks as well. I'll have to make a photo thread to commemorate it, and may attach a few photos here as well.

^ my dad's treating us, and he's born and raised Southside Irish, so the three of us are heading down to comiskey for a Sox game (hopefully to see 'em beat up on the twins).

My dad, me, and my son; 3 generations of Chicago men together to celebrate my little dude's first day ever out at the old ballgame. I can't wait!

Went to a wake today for a neighbor that passed away and the funeral home was very crowded. No masks. Hopefully those folks were vaccinated otherwise its very ironic.

Many days now without having worn a mask...

and then BAM!!---I had my biannual dental checkup/cleaning today and had to put the mask on before even entering the waiting room. No biggie, of course. I didn't come unglued. :P

^
Theres still a few places in Pittsburgh for no reason other than doctor offices that still require wearing a mask and unfortunately its at my favorite to go sushi place in Oakland. I couldn't go in today because I threw away all my masks a few weeks ago, so their loss.

The Phillies give certificates for kids (at least) who are attending their first Phillies game. You should see if the White Sox do that.

It's not over but the response to it has radically changed because people couldn't keep distancing any longer (and that seems true in most of the developed world). We have moved on to the Swedish model and maybe it'll work with large segments of the population protected by the vaccines.

Same here! We will be traveling to San Diego for a long weekend. So psyched for leisure travel again.

Yep, the Sox do the same thing.

It's probably SOP for all MLB teams.

I'm in New York for the first time in nearly two years and finally got to see my one year-old niece and nephew (twins) plus the rest of my family...and real Italian food.

There's good sushi in Pittsburgh?

There's no real Italian food in Htown?

In 2021, why wouldn't there be?

The seafood/fish used for sushi and served in San Francisco is caught and put on ice and then transported in just like it would be in Pittsburgh.

10 best sushi bars in Pittsburgh:
https://www.yelp.com/search?cflt=sus...ttsburgh%2C+PA

The US now has over 3x the daily new covid cases per capita to Canada

https://i.postimg.cc/NfM1R951/corona...xplorer-33.png

This isn't a contest

I don't see how case counts really matter anymore, as it doesn't appear that any country has reached a level of universal vaccination that would keep R values below 1 in a fully reopened scenario.

What I'm more interested in now is checking that the unvaccinated aren't occupying enough hospital bed to put the responsible members of the population at risk if they get in a car crash, have a heart attack, etc.

Good for business.

Tech shuttles are back! It's been a minute but definitely a clear sign the pandemic is effectively over.

Case counts are rising again (albeit from a low base) meaning the R value must be above 1. Of course, that doesn't mean that the Missouri outbreak could actually happen in Vermont or what have you - just that overall COVID is rising rather than falling.

Lots of countries are keeping the R value below 1.0

https://i.postimg.cc/T1FVwLK6/corona...xplorer-34.png

Exactly, I'm saying the only time I would be interesting in tracking case counts anymore is if some country got to like 90% vaccination and we could actually see if they could sustain an R value of below 1. Otherwise, we pretty much just need to accept that case counts are going to rise until it burns through the unvaccinated population (and potentially vaccinated population but we won't really know since they probably won't feel that sick or get tested).

The vast majority of the current cases are in those that are unvaccinated.

In other words, get vaccinated! It actually works!

"In a fully reopened scenario" being the key operative there. We're keeping the R value below 1 because we can't sit inside a restaurant at even 10% capacity. Some countries on that map probably have very questionable data, and some have let Covid burn through massive amounts of the population already.

^ Once again, you might as well just be tracking the common cold at this point.

I'm not sure what Canada is "beating" the US in any more. An infection that largely isn't killing very many people any more? Yay for Canada, I guess, but look at the price you Arctic goofballs are paying to stop the "common cold" from spreading. Locking down--still, in 2021, putting people out of business and bankrupting them?

Get the vaccine out, and move on. Some people won't get the vaccine and let those knuckleheads roll the dice with their lives.

I just hope that a vaccine is approved for under 12s before we see a widespread red state outbreak. Otherwise a lot of blue state school districts might flip out and make elementary school remote again in the fall.

as the parent of 5 and 6 year olds, that is literally the only thing i still care about with this stupid fucking virus.

the CTU has been so completely over-reactive about this whole thing.

"look, somebody in Sri Lanka just stubbed their toe really bad. we better close the schools again and do remote, you know, for the children, just to be safe."



just let my kids get vaxxed already so that i never have to hear the goddamn phrase "remote learning" ever again!

what's taking so long?

Last I heard the Pfizer vaccine is on track to be approved for kids ages 5-11 as early as September. Younger children may take a bit longer. But the FDA approval process is a slow as molasses under normal conditions, and even though they are expediting things, it will take time to figure out the proper dosage.

Trials are underway in children as young as 6 months old. Early results should be available this month and full results in September, but vaccinations probably won't take place until early 2022. Hopefully the timeline gets moved up though because that is a long time for the delta variant, and inevitable future ones to spread.

You can always contact your local academic medical centers to see if they are participating in the trials and see if you can enroll your children in the study.

Also important to note they may receive placebo but you'll find out six months later. If the subject received placebo they will have the chance to receive the actual vaccine after that 6 month period.

Ain't this the truth.

But if the teachers have been vaccinated, they are perfectly safe teaching unvaccinated students, especially if masking is required.

But I'm sure that stupidity will prevail, as it always does

Just wait, guys, just wait till the THETA Q variant arises.

We're FUCKED, I tell ya! We're all going to die!!!!

Buahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!

I'm waiting on you, Theta Q!!

Most Canadian aren't hurting and the average Canadian has become richer due to government spending and savings since covid started