Pretty insane all things considered. We're constantly told medicare for all and cancelling student debt are pie in the sky fantasies and how will we pay for it all? Yet here we are dumping a trillions of dollars just as an initial stimulus package and even deferring student loan payments untill September.

So it turns out we can actually do these things when we want to! very interesting.

I'm not even trying to be tinfoily (and I've got reams of tinfoil). There are conflicting views of when the first Chinese patient was identified and they found three with the virus at the beginning of November that didn't even have any connection with that market. That's true. And if 80 percent of the cases tend to be mild, it could have easily started passing through the nw by December. Wuhan is like the Chinese Detroit and Pittsburgh during their golden age so there is lots of technology firm business between there and the west coast
Not crazy logic. Anyway, I'm puzzled as to why this virus is getting so much special attn? You want tinfoil??? Boy I could talk your ear off at this juncture but I'll spare you. Its definitely being politicized like fffkn crazy tho...wash yer hands!!

I'm kinda of worried for NYC and NJ. Like how long this lock-down will occur with respect to the state/city. Its one thing to lock down Kansas, but to severely limit an Alpha++ metro, its a different ball game. One arguably more important to the nation.

This essential vs non-essential close down was what caused a lot of folks to get laid off or furloughed. I just question, if other parts of the country reopen (if...), how long it will drag on in the tri-state.

The virus has definitely been down here in New Orleans since at least Mardi Gras in late February. Lambeth House (retirement home) is the epicenter of our outbreak and site of the first death about two weeks ago. Most of the people that were in the group of initial infections and deaths were very active in the Carnival balls that occurred around Mardi Gras.

Millions of people from all over the world right next to each other for parades meant that community spread was probably going like gangbusters. I wouldn't be shocked if I have already had the virus given that I was at parades and packed into a bar with friends visiting from out of state over that weekend. Three of those friends were sick as a dog for several days upon returning home with what they thought was the flu (San Diego, Nashville, and Myrtle Beach were the cities they flew back to). My boss was in the same boat for several days after Mardi Gras. He had the classic symptoms of COVID-19. Dry cough, high fever, shortness of breath, and little to no energy. Several other co-workers then fell ill in my office over the next week or so. It took everyone a good 5 to 7 days to get over it. God knows how many I potentially transmitted it to over those two weeks after Mardi Gras.

That rampant community spread during Mardi Gras also explains why New Orleans has one of the highest rates of confirmed cases per capita (those who are sick enough to get approved for testing) in the country right now. I would not be shocked if over half the population has already been exposed to the virus and contracted it. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...ctors-n1167741

The lockdown in the city started March 14th, and it does appear to be paying off (with data that is likely 5 to 7 days old). The curve has started to flatten out. Hopefully, that trend will continue. https://ready.nola.gov/home/?utm_sou..._medium=banner

All of the layoffs and economic gut punches would probably happen anyway if you just left everything open and allowed the virus to spread like wildfire throughout the populace, so why not save a bunch of lives instead? :shrug:

So today I decided to microwave my newspaper.

https://regenexx.com/blog/coronaviru...l-coronavirus/

I gave it 15 seconds on a side--afraid to go much longer because it might catch on fire.

Having a routine Mardi Gras was definitely a bad idea and the politicans who decided to do that should be tossed out next election.

We can do it ONCE. We can't do it many times for many reasons.

I'd take Medicare for All out of this discussion because I personally think Bernie is correct--Under MFA total medical costs should be less than now which means it's just a matter of apportioning who pays them and how (a tax would be substituted for insurance premiums, for example, but your total outlay for health care could well be less).

But cancelling student debt could cost trillions, meaning then we might not have had the trillions for something like coronavirus, and if we then go on to make college free as the same people want it would cost more trillions year after year after year. We are already paying for college, of course, as we are already paying for medical care, but it transfers the cost of education from the people whose lifetime incomes would benefit from it to the government and thus the rest of us.

Then there's the green new deal and all the other trillions the left wants to spend. There are not endless trillions available without debassing the currency. We can pay for it with bonds, piling up the federal debt and having the Federal Reserve buy that debt with new printed dollars as they may do with the trillions being spent on coronavirus. The result of that, of course, would be Zimbabwe-level inflation.

Yes. The only drawback is total economic destruction.

There is action now because the Baby Boomers are affected. There are going to be many more things like this as they are dragged kicking and screaming into old age, unable to accept their own mortality.

The US government could afford it, it's just that they don't want to afford it. They'd rather spend the tax revenue on other "things" and keep "donating" to certain countries year after year after year.

How's your mom doing?

That's the beautiful thing. Death is the ultimate equalizer. No such thing as money or race or class or color or you name it. The "delete" button treats everyone the same.

One day this will all be over, including the economy.

So lesson to be learned, is for one not to be an asshole in life, and really, enjoy it to the best of one's ability.

No one is better than one another. You are just a composition of organic molecules. In fact, your not even that special. You are 43% cells, the rest, you are bacteria, bacteria and microbe cultures that make your body. The rest is water. Without those bacteria, you would not be you. Symbiosis!

The human body is nothing but a macro sphere of cells, bacteria, and microbe cultures. A mini mobile world for life.


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So folks, let's treat people better. Let's not wish for folks demise just for the sake of some bull shit shareholder or some rich yuppie. Let's be better than that, and support our mothers or fathers or folks over 50.

Oh I definitely think we should save lives. I was just wondering how long the tri-state will remain in lock down. Due to our density, I feel like it will be quite a while. I know in the past I made some cold comments but that's because I was in the process of quitting nicotine (and still am), so the asshole in me came out.

Yeah I hope they find some sort of cure or drug combo that is truly effective.

They are saying this could potentially be seasonal. But let's hope the scientists can discover some combo or treatment ASAP.

I think once the vaccine is finished, we will be in a better position. Really the question is time at this moment.

It'll be interesting to see how crime numbers play out after the shutdown. gangs and the drug trade are no doubt affected by current conditions. There could be potential for a violent summer in some places if power dynamics change after 2+ months of disrupted activity.

Another scary thought that was brought up by a family friend who works for the Toronto police. They are anticipating a large increase in domestic violence as abusers and their victims are confined to their homes. Adding on additional strain to an already broken relationship is not a good recipe. I can't imagine being in the position of someone who's only respite is going to work or leaving the house, now under quarantine for who knows how long.

Chicago just closed the Lakefront after witnessing too many people congregating yesterday. The mayor warned she would do that--I guess with yesterday's beautiful weather some people couldn't help themselves. I don't understand what's so hard about keeping a few feet between ourselves when walking outside but here we are.

The trouble with rumors, more easily spread with social media I'm sure.

So...

From Los Angeles ABC7:

Coronavirus: LAPD ceases rumors of officers ticketing residents for exercising outside amid 'Safer at Home' order

LOS ANGELES (KABC) -- The Los Angeles Police Department said it is not ticketing people for exercising outside amid the "Safer at Home" restrictions aimed at helping contain the spread of novel coronavirus.

"We've heard the rumors, so let's put an end to them. No, the LAPD is not stopping or ticketing people for exercising outdoors. Spreading false rumors during this time does no good," the department said on Twitter Tuesday.

There were rumors the department was stopping people from outdoor activity.

The LAPD also said it isn't conducting DUI checkpoints or towing and impounding cars.

The goal is to encourage parking turnover for businesses and restaurants relying on takeout and deliveries while the restrictions are in effect.

The "Safer at Home" order called for nonessential businesses to cease operations that require workers to be present in person. It also asks residents to stay at home as much as possible when not participating in essential activities such as shopping for food and medication.

A map of coronavirus cases in Los Angeles County was created by the Homeland Security Advisory Council and shows the latest updates on the COVID-19 epidemic in Southern California.

Link: https://abc7.com/lapd-ceases-rumors-...GPc3QZCiBlR_OY

Unfortunately the genetic redundancies of society will help to keep this spreading. And its not even in Chicago, but I've noticed this in the past in NJ Parks (before they closed them).

I've in the past, and will say this now... folks have no discipline.

Unless its forced, we will always have folks that just make it harder for the rest of society.

Anecdotally I've already noticed an uptick in break-ins and burglaries where I live. (I am plugged into a few camera-chasers.)

There are mostly crimes of opportunity at this point due to fewer eyes on the street. It's a bit ominous when you consider that laid off people have not even started to run out of money yet.

I am not too concerned about gang violence in my own city though the scene in our sister city Ottawa (across the river and the Ontario-Quebec border) could potentially get rougher.

Via cams just now.


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She’s fine. Stays at home or goes for walks alone. Shops for groceries at 7am “senior hour”.

The answer to this should have been a mandatory quarantine of the elderly weeks ago. They don’t work and keeping them at home doesn’t really affect the broader economy. It’s not imperative for the old to interact with the young in person, phone calls are fine.