I would be fine with that. I am healthy. But my wife may lose her job so that's pretty freaking important to me. We need FACTS. That is all I am saying. I know this is fast-moving and we need to act immediately.

All I am saying is we need real data and to see how fast we can safely get back to normal or what segment of the population can continue as normal.

Individual counties here are starting to do that. Graham County, west of me, was the first.

I feel sorry for cities in red states

people who feel differently than their state govt should try to move

I agree with you on that.

But PM TexasPlyer on that and see what his response to your offer would be.


lol

north america is a good place to be, there is food growing everywhere. billionairs will keep making thigs, like tesla is making cars still. things will be probably very advanced still. welcome to the future and the past at the same time?

Boober Eats!

Source: https://www.oregonlive.com/coronavir...-delivery.html

You can have immediate "facts" that are wrong. Or you can accept actual facts that are correct.

Any projection of where COVID-19 is going is a guess--infection stats, treatments, cures, vaccine, etc. Much depends on how much the public follows the rules.

After ordering takeout for dinner and eating at home, my partner and I took an early-evening after-dinner walk in our town of South Pasadena. We both felt like we needed a walk/some exercise; he was working all day at home and felt cooped up, and I was at work, feeling a bit stressed, so after dinner, we took a stroll in a very sparsely trafficked South Pasadena. Yes, we practiced social distancing. It was very easy to, being that there were very few people out and about.

The lavender outside our back door. It's springtime and we've had a lot of rain, so the lavender has become bushy and full of flowers.
https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...96&oe=5EA1EFE3
Photo by me

Takeout and delivery only at the so-so Korean-owned Japanese restaurant in our town; there's a better Japanese restaurant in our town, and another Japanese place with really good sushi... but we noticed that the sushi place has been closed since dine-in eating at restaurants has been banned; we're hoping they don't go completely out of business.
https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...5a&oe=5EA1D504
Photo by me

No traffic during rush hour in South Pasadena's historic business district.
https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...22&oe=5EA0ED4B
Photo by me

https://scontent-lax3-2.xx.fbcdn.net...9b&oe=5E9FC1CE
Photo by me

A lightly trafficked Fair Oaks Avenue in South Pasadena. Next door to Gus's BBQ is a cigar lounge; thank goodness the stinky ass cigar lounge was deemed a non-essential business, because that shit was CLOSED. It didn't stink of cigar smoke when we walked by it.
https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...2b&oe=5E9F20CC
Photo by me

Stopped at Cookies & Cream for some ice cream. I'm very glad to be supporting South Pasadena small businesses during this COVID-19 pandemic.
https://scontent-lax3-2.xx.fbcdn.net...26&oe=5EA04FF9
Photo by me

I got a scoop of ube and a scoop of cookies and cream. The proprietor also included a cookie. It was all delicious.
https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...ee&oe=5E9E7B88
Photo by me

This is a pretty good place too, and we've also been supporting them during the pandemic, having ordered takeout 3 times from them already since dine-in eating at restaurants was banned.
https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...76&oe=5E9F3BB2
Photo by me

On the other hand, only 4 people 70 and older have it in your area.

So what's the deal with weed and all this COVID-19 shit?

Apparently, recreational flower has become extremely hard to come by at Chicago dispensaries (I did not stock up. Stupid, stupid, stupid)

I EXCLUSIVELY vape flower.

Some say it might be protective?

except we know what car wrecks are. we have 100yrs of data. we have very little idea about what this is. yr right, we have to get back to work at some point, but there is no way to say when as yet — slow yr roll!

i dk about en masse, but anecdotally all the young people in my building have gone home to their parents. its just the grownups and old timers.

its like the old days of ny now, all the rich are are gone to the hamptons or wherever and the young move ins were called home, so only the fixed income locals and crazies are around. i literally walked by a parked car full of hoodlums today getting high af and loudly casing all the meatpacking buildings they wanted to break into. ive seen a couple bashed in and taped up shop doors around already too. doesnt take long to go to hell. its very strange out there.

We should do way more to reduce car deaths. The only reason we haven't is that most voters drive, and we don't want to crack down on voters. Triple every ticket, take licenses and cars away as needed, jail for anyone driving without a license... Good point.

This is an important theme with logic: Suggesting something else is bad doesn't mean the first thing isn't also bad.

We're not talking about 30,000 people a year though. This could easily kill a million in the span of a week or two at the peak of the pandemic in the US alone if the spreading of the virus is allowed to go unchecked.

The data from South Korea seems to be pointing towards a death rate of about 2% among their population which is honestly pretty high, considering a lot of the people infected there were pretty young, their healthcare system was not over-extended, and they are probably healthier than Americans.

Anyways, so far it seems like young healthy people are at relatively low risk. It's important to remember that there are a lot of things that could cause one to be classified as unhealthy though, it's certainly more than people on life support. Cancer, diabetes, heart disease, lung disease/smoking, and being immunocompromised are all major risk factors. I suspect a rather big chunk of the working age population has at least one of those conditions.

It also seems like the risk for young healthy people to need enriched oxygen support or even ventilators due to pneumonia is not that low, it's just that if they are provided with that treatment, they have a much better chance of recovery than those in weaker health. So we still want to make sure our health system is not overwhelmed to make sure that they can be provided with those kinds of treatments, which is a very real concern.

The virus has the ability to spread very fast from the looks of it, so fast that it seems possible for over 50% of the population to be infected at the same time. If you have 5 million Americans needing critical care at the same time, and about 120,000 ICUs currently, with maybe around 40,000 unoccupied, and the ability to expand that to 150,000 ICUs dedicated to COVID patients thanks emergency mobilization measures , that's still far below what would be needed. So you'd still need significant measures to limit the spread.

And think what will be needed in most countries is a lockdown first, lasting maybe 6-8 weeks, to give the chance for the testing infrastructure to catch up and for our healthcare system to restock supplies and expand capacity. Then allow people - at least the lower risk people - to get back to work in greater numbers, while still taking significantly greater precautions to limit spread than under regular flu season, and also testing and contact tracing aggressively like South Korea is doing to make sure anyone that's infected is placed in full isolation until they recover. If we do that, I think we should be able to suppress the spreading down the levels our healthcare system can manage until a vaccine is found.

However, right now, I suspect the number of people walking around spreading the virus, not knowing they have it, is probably dangerously high and above what our current testing and contact tracing infrastructure can manage.

United States currently has about 55,000 confirmed cases.
I wouldn't be surprised if there's another 25,000 or so that are pending - they've been approved to be tested/tested, but we're still waiting for the analysis to come back.
Maybe another 100,000 have mild symptoms, and either haven't called the doctor, or aren't eligible for testing because their symptoms aren't severe enough.
Then there might be another 250,000 who are infected and will develop symptoms later, but haven't developed symptoms yet because they're still in the incubation phase.
And there might be another 250,000 who have it but will never develop symptoms.
So there could be half a million infected in the US that we don't even know about.

I think it's still possible to catch a lot of those asymptomatic people. If they gave the virus or got it from someone who has symptoms, then testing everyone that someone with symptoms has been in contact with could catch a lot of asymptomatic cases. And then you test all the contacts of the known asymptomatic cases... I'm also hoping that asymptomatic people are less infectious.

We are doing way more to reduce car deaths. My car has something like 7 or 8 airbags and driver assist technology. Plus all the crash testing; I have a much higher chance of walking away from a major accident than in a car from 15-20 years ago.

yes isn’t it interesting where 100yrs of living with cars gets us? just imagine where we will be after living with the corona for that long. right now we have a week or so of knowledge. and a little longer from drips of information china gives.

This made me smile (and I needed to smile):

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...-second-homes/

So, when do we decide what facts are correct? Do we need a 6-month trend? Can we look at South Korean data, or does it need to be from the US?

I get that, but a hell of a lot of people won't be going back to work. We have to weigh our options as we do in a million other things all the time.

Yes, most voters are drivers. Most voters are also eaters...and have homes...and have jobs. So they will do what they have to do to survive.

How many people on this website have cushy office jobs that are now working from home? Government?

How many of yall are either out of work because of this or sitting at home not getting paid or sitting at home getting paid but not knowing how long that will last?

I personally know two people that have lost their jobs and one person who is sitting at home wondering when their savings are gonna run out. I know zero people with Corona.

Early for me to make a statement on Corona? Sure. But if its early to state I know no one with Corona, then imagine what those numbers will look like in 2 months with people I know and jobs.