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That's a really cool angle! Love how the Sears is in the background and how the "blue boxes" are angled and clustered.
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At the base of these i like them but in this pic, what a bunch of turds bowing down to Sears.
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very disappointing
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Very Hudson Yards vibes.
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I like this building, but it took me a second to pick it out from dropdeaded's image above. Chi-Sky really couldn't have put it better -- these boxes are nothing compared to Sears.
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I'm looking forward to when it's completely finished and this thread is closed so we can focus on the future instead of repeatedly bashing this lol :shrug:
I think its presence on the river will be excellent and the tiered lobby will be very impressive not even considering the 10/10 views. I'd rather have a functional and active building with subpar skyline appeal like this than a pretty one that fails at street level. |
Of these 5 newer Skyscrapers i actually like River Point visually the most. Of the 3 Wolf Point Towers i think Wolf Point East Tower turned out the best
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the reason the disappointment is so warranted for this building is that the site is arguably the most significant site in the city...you will not find another site that can compare in my opinion ... the whole wolf point development could of been a game changer with an iconic building
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I noticed today the kerning issue has been corrected. Big improvement.
In a way, the flatness of the building needed something to add interest. Looks fine now |
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Like I have always said, if you want to build something like that, go ahead - raise the funds and have at it. In the real world it is about making a buck in a reasonable return on investment time. Builders are not artists or charities. Sorry, that's the way it is. This is a handsome building and more than good enough. Now, I would probably be upset if it ended up like that brutalist junk to its north that its now helping hide ..... :) |
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As if designers and their clients are above all accountability for their poor decisions because "that's the way it is." Architecture and aesthetics matter, to everyone, on both a personal and societal level. This is exactly the type of project that should face repeated, public critical scrutiny. It's times like this I miss Blair Kamin. |
^100%. We all share this city and the general public bears the joy or burden of looking at these buildings on a daily basis. The public deserves to have architecture that is visually pleasing and inspirational. Buildings are privately owned but still can be a public good. This is why concepts like historical preservation exists.
People have the right to not like something, without having to have a billion dollars of financing ready to go. |
I get the gripes with the height given the prominence of the location but I think the overall quality is legit. Glass looks good from all angles and it is imposingly large in person. I don't quite get how WPE's design and finish gets love but this doesn't.
I too would have loved something 1000'+ but I think in person it turned out great. |
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I would love to be able to make Mart Center go away or to be able to somehow eliminate brutalist architecture (ala 55 W. Wacker), but I don't own the property, so I can't make someone do that. Having and expressing an opinion is just fine, but no, the public has no right to demand that private parties spend way more money on something than they willl make back in a reasonable time, nor impose an artistic direction on a private party. |
For me the taper at the base kills the verticality of it and makes it look shorter than 850 should. It looks tall from the east view, probably it’s best angle. If they had just carried the top office floor up like, two more stories and created some more mass at the top a la 30 rock, this could have been really great.
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Aside from the height and lack of top floor expression, the sheer glass wall looking down the river canyon leaves much to be desired.
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Uh oh somebody is citing our amendment rights! So glad we can all die at the hands of those. None the less, really though, how much does it really cost them to add maybe 2 floors of glass on the top of that, nothing even in it, just steel bracing and glass. Would have made a world of difference.
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