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It's south. It's a bank. Therefore it's Southbank because the marketing firm says so.
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the hip kids will truncate it to "SoBa". |
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This afternoon, Ald. Dowell announced that she wouldn't support a new Red Line station at 15th & Clark.
The Crain's story this evening, though, has this unexpected news: In response to Dowell's statement today, Related issued its own saying it will pivot and instead place the CTA station on the southwest corner of that intersection—which is in the 25th Ward, run by Ald. Daniel Solis—and on land Related owns. Unexpected because over weeks of study I haven't been able to figure out how they can put the platform west of Clark. There's just not enough room for a 500-foot platform plus the 750 feet of incline needed to get over 18th. Maybe shifting the entrance will be enough. |
This afternoon, Ald. Dowell announced that she wouldn't support a new Red Line station at 15th & Clark.
The Crain's story this evening, though, has this unexpected news: In response to Dowell's statement today, Related issued its own saying it will pivot and instead place the CTA station on the southwest corner of that intersection—which is in the 25th Ward, run by Ald. Daniel Solis—and on land Related owns. Unexpected because over weeks of study I haven't been able to figure out how they can put the platform west of Clark. There's just not enough room for a 500-foot platform plus the 750 feet of incline needed to get over 18th. Maybe shifting the entrance will be enough. |
^ Interesting. Solis won't be around by the time this thing needs to get approved, though. Whoever ultimately okays this thing will be one of four young Latinx Millennials, who may not have the heart to tell Dearborn Park mothers to kick rocks.
From an engineering standpoint, it's not impossible to build platforms on a slope or on a curve. I saw several stations in NYC recently with a noticeable slope to the platform. But I do agree that the station box will have to extend beneath Clark and onto the CTA's property at the southeast corner even if it doesn't cross the line of 15th. |
NYCTA, though, uses air brakes. Because CTA uses dynamic braking—and had a bad experience when a train rolled backwards from the Addison Blue Line station in the 1990s—I don't think they'll want to accept a platform with a noticeable slope.
It's not really clear that aldermanic approval is needed for a subterranean station, though Dowell's opposition could keep a station site east of Clark out of the TIF district. Dearborn Park II is entirely within the 3rd Ward, so whoever becomes 25th Ward alderman doesn't have to care about them at all. |
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Wow. God Damn I love Related. After seeing the Crain headline today about Dowell vetoing station I was put into a funk.
And now Related has the cahonas to just switch wards and go on with it. That's a city that works, and that's not making little plans. Related's ready to play hard ball with these mouth breathing NIMBYs and I LIKE IT! I know this is ALL massive speculation and nothing is set in stone, but it just feels good for once that developers one up the NIMBYs and with such haste. |
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There's not really great opposition, even within DPII, to any station. There was opposition to the stationhouse east of Clark, and there's (lesser) opposition to the extensive disturbance of Cottontail Park.
From the very beginning, Related wanted the station west of Clark. But they felt it was impractically expensive to put it there. Then they were pretty clumsy in their presentation to the neighborhood, and paid the price with Ald. Dowell. I don't know what has changed in their calculations, but nothing about this is a matter of "sticking it to the NIMBYs." |
they can have the station where they wanted but put the headhouse west of Clark, right? I have no idea where the station is at North/Clybourn, for example, since it's a bit of a walk to the headhouse.
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^That's an interesting question. Does an improvement to infrastructure require any sort of aldermanic approval? It wouldn't seem to require any amendment of the Dearborn Park II PD, since it's not a building with FAR. I'm not aware that a new subterranean station needs a special-use permit. But Cottontail Park will have to be within the TIF for TIF money to be spent there, and that question comes up tomorrow at Joint Review Board. Moreover, I just can't see how such a shallow station can be built without doing cut-and-cover. That will mean various aldermanic approvals.
I can only speculate that Related and Ald. Dowell came to an agreement today that led to both their announcements on the eve of getting the TIF district approved. |
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As for Danny Solis - virtually all the people running for his seat are Carlos Rosa wannabes, extremely progressive and idealistic young Latinx candidates. None of them have held public office before, and they will probably be uncomfortable with Chicago-style dealmaking, especially to benefit a big developer like Related. They share a Jane Jacobs belief that the community is always right, so they may support Dearborn Parkers in their quest to kill the station even though they are technically on the other side of the ward line. |
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