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Nexis4Jersey Feb 26, 2013 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alon (Post 6030303)
2-3 tph is not decent for an urban neighborhood. It's the kind of schedule that makes people continue to take the subway and ignore commuter rail.

The Upper Parts of the Bronx have Express buses same with Queens , so the commuter Rail which is out of the way for most is the least used. If you look at a map you'll notice that the subways are located within the dense parts and the commuter rail is located isolated areas , some are hard or a pain to reach. People have no issues with the schedules otherwise MNRR would have changed them....they have and are adding more trains on the Harlem and Hudson lines...so I guess people asked for more.

Alon Feb 27, 2013 12:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nexis4Jersey (Post 6030348)
The Upper Parts of the Bronx have Express buses same with Queens , so the commuter Rail which is out of the way for most is the least used. If you look at a map you'll notice that the subways are located within the dense parts and the commuter rail is located isolated areas , some are hard or a pain to reach. People have no issues with the schedules otherwise MNRR would have changed them....they have and are adding more trains on the Harlem and Hudson lines...so I guess people asked for more.

The subway and commuter rail stations for Wakefield and Far Rockaway are walking distance of each other. And yet, more than a full order of magnitude difference in ridership. For Forest Hills it's almost two full orders of magnitude, and there the commercial development is located right between the subway station and the LIRR station.

So yes, people do have issues with the schedules and the fares, and the LIRR and Metro-North are too suburban-focused nowadays to care. It's a cultural thing. They've never run more than about hourly off-peak service. The 110th, 86th, 72nd, and 59th Street stations on the New York Central in the steam era also had hourly service; the ridership was wiped out as soon as the els opened. The LIRR had stop spacing on the Atlantic Branch that's subway-comparable; it too closed stations and shifted farther east once the Jamaica el opened. The stop spacing on the Main Line and the Port Washington Branch in Queens was wider, but it was narrower than that of an express subway; those stations too were wiped by the subway. (The LIRR's ridership peaked in the 1920s and is close to recovering to its peak but hasn't done so yet.)

Where people can deal with hourly frequency is the suburbs, since the distances to Manhattan are longer, and the railroads can pretend that relying mainly on peak-hour commutes to Manhattan and a bit of reverse commuting is a modern way to run a railroad. Garden City, Stamford, Metropark, and similar edge cities are auto-friendly enough that commuters never wonder where the public transit serving them is and never demand better.

Nexis4Jersey Feb 27, 2013 2:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alon (Post 6030528)
The subway and commuter rail stations for Wakefield and Far Rockaway are walking distance of each other. And yet, more than a full order of magnitude difference in ridership. For Forest Hills it's almost two full orders of magnitude, and there the commercial development is located right between the subway station and the LIRR station.

So yes, people do have issues with the schedules and the fares, and the LIRR and Metro-North are too suburban-focused nowadays to care. It's a cultural thing. They've never run more than about hourly off-peak service. The 110th, 86th, 72nd, and 59th Street stations on the New York Central in the steam era also had hourly service; the ridership was wiped out as soon as the els opened. The LIRR had stop spacing on the Atlantic Branch that's subway-comparable; it too closed stations and shifted farther east once the Jamaica el opened. The stop spacing on the Main Line and the Port Washington Branch in Queens was wider, but it was narrower than that of an express subway; those stations too were wiped by the subway. (The LIRR's ridership peaked in the 1920s and is close to recovering to its peak but hasn't done so yet.)

Where people can deal with hourly frequency is the suburbs, since the distances to Manhattan are longer, and the railroads can pretend that relying mainly on peak-hour commutes to Manhattan and a bit of reverse commuting is a modern way to run a railroad. Garden City, Stamford, Metropark, and similar edge cities are auto-friendly enough that commuters never wonder where the public transit serving them is and never demand better.

MNRR is not as Suburban as it used to be and there committed to making it more accessible for Urban users frequency wise....like adding more trains by Spring and even more by 2016.... LIRR is very suburban and deals with a part of the region aka Long Island which isn't very progressive as opposed to North and West of the city. While they can't beef up and restore certain lines due to NIMBYs theres no excuse for the 1-2 TPH on the Long Beach , Far Rock , and Port Washington Branches and City Terminal....but thats the LIRR for you. MNRR and NJT have just started taping into the reverse commuter market , LIRR doesn't seem to want to even though it could boost levels to historic highs. They run 2 trains per hour at most stations , some like White Plains or Stamford even get 3-4 per hour.... When the plans for the Lower Manhattan Access came up they did propose reopening Woodheaven JCT , along with Beach line of course those plans are on hold...

As for Wakefield its off to the side , as opposed to the Subway which is right in the heart of the Neighborhood....and most people use Wakefield commute up to White Plains...or to nearby towns....same with other Northern Bronx neighborhoods.. Whenever I use the Harlem line to go to White Plains by the time we hit Mount Vernon West its standing room only....same with the New Haven line to Stamford and Hudson line to a lesser extent to Yonkers. The Far Rockaway line is used more then the Subway station.... The Forest Hills and Kew Gardens along with woodside stations also get a decent amount of ridership....it could be better like 8TPH....but they do get decent ridership which is a surprise to me... If it were up to me I would run most lines at least 4-6TPH even the Branches , the City Terminal Network would get 8-15 per hour.... But I think Metro North is aiming for at least 6-8TPH down the road between upgrades and expanding the fleet and stations , same with Electrified NJT lines and announcing that there adding 170 new train trips....

As for Garden City , Stamford and Metropark you need not have to worry. Garden City and Metropark are dying , along with most large office parks as companies with tax incentives and in general move back into the cities. Some are moving to Newark , White Plains , New Haven , Stamford , New Brunswick and those that can afford it NYC... Stamford is slowly turning into a city , it just needs to encourage more mixed use and improve its Pedestrian and Transportation network which is in crisis... I-287 Corridor is seeing a shift , businesses have moved from West Nyack , Elmsford and Purchase to White Plains , Metropark businesses are leaving for Newark , New Brunswick , and Elizabeth. Suburban North Jersey is seeing a shift to Hackensack , Paterson and NJ Gold Coast not all of these are huge companies some are small companies but this trend has been picking up steam since 2006. The good things coming out of these shifts are more investment in Urban areas and dead projects seem to be coming alive.

Doady Feb 27, 2013 2:30 AM

Is it just me or are there no transit system maps for New Jersey that includes bus and rail lines together?

Nexis4Jersey Feb 27, 2013 3:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doady (Post 6030678)
Is it just me or are there no transit system maps for New Jersey that includes bus and rail lines together?

There are none...sadly.... There are trip planners on the site...

Alon Feb 27, 2013 8:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nexis4Jersey (Post 6030658)
As for Wakefield its off to the side , as opposed to the Subway which is right in the heart of the Neighborhood....and most people use Wakefield commute up to White Plains...or to nearby towns....same with other Northern Bronx neighborhoods.. Whenever I use the Harlem line to go to White Plains by the time we hit Mount Vernon West its standing room only....same with the New Haven line to Stamford and Hudson line to a lesser extent to Yonkers. The Far Rockaway line is used more then the Subway station.... The Forest Hills and Kew Gardens along with woodside stations also get a decent amount of ridership....it could be better like 8TPH....but they do get decent ridership which is a surprise to me... If it were up to me I would run most lines at least 4-6TPH even the Branches , the City Terminal Network would get 8-15 per hour.... But I think Metro North is aiming for at least 6-8TPH down the road between upgrades and expanding the fleet and stations , same with Electrified NJT lines and announcing that there adding 170 new train trips....

Forest Hills has about a thousand boardings and alightings per weekday on the LIRR. It has 20,000 weekday boardings on the subway. Wakefield's subway station has a more central location, but that doesn't explain a factor-of-10 difference in inbound ridership.

http://www.mta.info/nyct/facts/rider...ership_sub.htm
http://pedestrianobservations.files...._ridership.pdf
http://pedestrianobservations.files...._ridership.pdf

Note: the Metro-North ridership numbers linked above are inbound only, but the LIRR numbers include everything.

nei Mar 5, 2013 12:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alon (Post 6030528)
The subway and commuter rail stations for Wakefield and Far Rockaway are walking distance of each other. And yet, more than a full order of magnitude difference in ridership. For Forest Hills it's almost two full orders of magnitude, and there the commercial development is located right between the subway station and the LIRR station.

For Forest Hills, it's not just the frequency and cost that makes the choice a no-brainer but the LIRR is only really faster if you're headed right to Penn Station. Otherwise, if you're headed to Midtown East, say 45th street and north the E or F is more convenient. If headed downtown the E is slow but at least is a one-seat ride, the transfer would lose part of the LIRR's time advantage. Ditto with Midtown South for the F.

For Wakefield and Far Rockaway, the extra fare and lower frequency is more of an issue. But for Far Rockaway, the LIRR is still rather slow, nearly an hour.

One thing I've always wondered is why the LIRR can't shorten train lengths off-peak and run more trains since it uses EMUs (is quick decopuling possible?). Perhaps for the Port Washington Branch 4 tph is practical with shorter trains.

Nexis4Jersey Mar 5, 2013 7:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nei (Post 6038146)
For Forest Hills, it's not just the frequency and cost that makes the choice a no-brainer but the LIRR is only really faster if you're headed right to Penn Station. Otherwise, if you're headed to Midtown East, say 45th street and north the E or F is more convenient. If headed downtown the E is slow but at least is a one-seat ride, the transfer would lose part of the LIRR's time advantage. Ditto with Midtown South for the F.

For Wakefield and Far Rockaway, the extra fare and lower frequency is more of an issue. But for Far Rockaway, the LIRR is still rather slow, nearly an hour.

One thing I've always wondered is why the LIRR can't shorten train lengths off-peak and run more trains since it uses EMUs (is quick decopuling possible?). Perhaps for the Port Washington Branch 4 tph is practical with shorter trains.

This is the LIRR your talking about common sense has never existed in its history... Otherwise they wouldn't have ripped up half their inner Island Network nor neglected their system to the point of collapse or severe speed restrictions. This isn't the MNRR or NJT were they do run 2-4TPH on some lines with 2-5 cars. The LIRR feels the need to run 8-12 cars all day at horrid intervals...

Alon Mar 5, 2013 7:39 AM

The LIRR actually is very useful if you're trying to get from Penn Station to Jamaica; the frequency is high enough because of interlining. In fact the way a lot of cities do commuter rail nowadays is to have a bunch of branches with 2-6 tph interline to have a rapid transit-like trunk segment; the difference with the LIRR is that those trunk lines have local stops so that they serve more than one origin-destination pair. For example, any system named RER or S-Bahn. (I suppose the same interlining business also holds for Tokyo, but the frequency is so high even on the branches that it doesn't matter.)

Ripping out the inner lines was bad, yeah, but that's the fault of car culture. The Whitestone Branch was doing fine for an LIRR line in the 1920s, but the city demanded that the LIRR grade-separate on its own dime in order to accommodate growing car traffic, and the LIRR preferred to shut the line down because it couldn't afford it.

NYC4Life Mar 5, 2013 6:08 PM

12:31 PM
FBI Investigates Possible Drone Sighting Near JFK
By: NY1 News

http://www.ny1.com/content/top_stori...hting-near-jfk

Quote:

The Federal Bureau of Investigation is asking for the public's help identifying an unmanned aircraft spotted Monday near John F. Kennedy Airport.

The FBI and the Federal Aviation Administration are looking into claims made by an Alitalia pilot that he saw a small unmanned craft around 1 p.m.

The FBI says the aircraft was black and no more than three feet wide with four propellers and came within two hundred feet of the Alitalia plane.

The pilot was able to land safely.

Officials are also exploring the possibility it could have been a remote controlled vehicle.

Under FAA rules, model planes are restricted to altitudes of 400 feet or less.

Anyone with information is asked to call the FBI at (212) 384-1000.



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mrnyc Mar 5, 2013 11:40 PM

i saw this and could not resist!

http://i1340.photobucket.com/albums/...ps985b77fe.jpg

ardecila Mar 6, 2013 3:54 AM

I've noticed this a couple of times in various cities.

mrnyc Mar 8, 2013 4:05 AM

interesting numbers from the census via amny:


3/5/13
NEWS
By TIM HERRERA

Manhattan has more commuting workers than anywhere in the country: Census


Manhattan has the most commuters in the country, with about 1.6 million workers coming into the borough from somewhere else, according to census data released Tuesday.

Of those 1.6 million people, about 391,008 travel in from Brooklyn, 370,243 are from Queens and 191,620 come from the Bronx, according to census figures. About 95,000 come in from Nassau County, with another 82,000 commuting from Westchester, the census reported.

"It is well-known that Manhattan draws a lot of commuters to work," said Brian McKenzie, a Census Bureau statistician who studies commutes. "This information shapes our understanding of the boundaries of local and regional economies, as people and goods move across the nation's transportation networks."

Meanwhile, about 131,000 Manhattan residents leave the borough for work, with about 27,000 going to the Bronx, about 24,000 going to Brooklyn and about 20,000 heading to Queens.

NYC4Life Mar 8, 2013 6:31 PM

9:46 AM
MTA Dusts Off Old South Ferry Station For Service
By: NY1 News

http://www.ny1.com/content/top_stori...on-for-service

Quote:

With the South Ferry subway station facing years of repairs after Hurricane Sandy, trains will return next month to the old South Ferry station in Lower Manhattan.

The MTA plans to spend $2 million to refurbish the century old subway station while it rebuilds the new complex.

Construction crews are installing electrical feeds at the old station, and fixing the moveable platform edge extenders.

The old station escaped severe damage and still functions as a turnaround loop for some lines.

The new $500 million South Ferry complex flooded with about 15 million gallons of water during Sandy, destroying all electrical and mechanical systems.


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scalziand Mar 9, 2013 4:59 AM

This is why its important to preserve redundant infrastructure-you never know when you might need it again.

Dac150 Mar 10, 2013 8:36 PM

An unfortunate circumstance, but what can you do . . .

At least some form of service will be restored for the time being.

ardecila Mar 10, 2013 11:29 PM

I don't really understand how it can cost $600 million to replace signal components, electrical systems, and architectural finishes at South Ferry. They probably also need to replace all escalators and elevators. That's, what, $100 million tops? Many of the finishes can probably be cleaned instead of replaced (tile, architectural metal, etc).

Granted, the MTA's estimate was heavily padded.

Still, with the old South Ferry coming online again, there will be no rush to get the new station up and running, so no overtime pay or night work (except materials deliveries, I guess). It can't possibly cost this much.

yankeesfan1000 Mar 11, 2013 9:06 PM

^ Who knows. Signal engineering is apparently much more expensive than people think, but still, that number is nuts. The city and MTA are going to have to eventually deal with how to rein in construction costs, or it'll become too expensive to build anything at all in this city.

NYC Subway Ridership At 62 Year High, Despite Sandy Disruptions
By Andrea Bernstein | 03/11/2013 – 12:22 pm

http://transportationnation.org/wp-c...in-300x300.jpg

"New York City’s subway ridership rose 0.8% in 2012, despite storm Sandy-related shut downs and service disruptions. According to figures released by the NY MTA Monday, some 1.654 billion riders rode the subways in 2012, 13.7 million more trips than in 2011.

Weekend ridership grew by 3 percent, matching the all-time historic high for weekend ridership set in 1946.

Word comes as the American Public Transit Association reports a record 10.5 billion trips on public transit.

The system was shut for two days around storm Sandy. Eight tunnels flooded, and many lines from Brooklyn to Manhattan were shut for a week. The system is still not completely restored..."

NYC4Life Mar 20, 2013 2:59 AM

A worker has been injured from an accident at the Second Avenue Line subway tunnel:

http://pix11.com/local-news/stories/...#axzz2O194TDwx

NYC4Life Mar 22, 2013 6:02 PM

CNET

New York subway to get massive navigation touch screens
Getting around the New York City subway system is about to get a lot more hands-on with the introduction of 47-inch touch screens to help folks find their way.

by Amanda Kooser March 22, 2013 10:28 AM PDT

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-...touch-screens/

http://asset2.cbsistatic.com/cnwk.1d...y1_610x305.jpg


Quote:

Some people are pros at navigating the New York City subway system. Blindfold them, spin them around, set them loose, and they'll still get to their destination on time.

Others need a little assistance, and those people are about to get a high-tech helping hand thanks to a collaboration between the New York City Metropolitan Transit Authority and the Control Group, a technology and design agency.

The Control Group is going big by unleashing a herd of 47-inch touch-screen kiosks across some of the busiest subway stations in the city. Millions of riders each day will have the chance to see and interact with the screens.

The interactive machines will replace the old-school maps currently in use.

The kiosks will feature interactive maps, alerts, and service announcements.

They are also expected to work with MTA-approved apps, though details on that end are sketchy. Besides offering navigational help and subway information, the touch screens will also be able to serve up advertising, opening up a potentially lucrative new revenue stream for the MTA

Up to 90 new touch screens are expected to be set up this year. Some people may be concerned about having half of New York swiping their hands all over the screen, but it's no worse than hanging onto the same hand grips inside the cars. If you're worried, then just carry some extra hand sanitizer.

"This is an opportunity to tap into one of the greatest transportation networks in the world, laying a foundation for innovation in customer messaging, wayfinding and advertising. We're excited with our road map of features that will bring the innovations of Web and mobile to the 100-year-old New York City subway system," Colin O'Donnell, founding partner at Control Group, said today in a statement.


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NYC4Life Mar 22, 2013 6:29 PM

9:36 AM
MTA: Smith-9th Street Station Reopens Next Month
By: NY1 News

http://www.ny1.com/content/top_stori...ens-next-month

Quote:

Red Hook residents will soon be able to use the Smith-9th Street Station again.

The Metropolitan Transportation Authority says F and G trains will resume regular stops at the station during the week of April 22.

The 79-year-old station was closed for nearly two years of extensive renovations.

Among the upgrades are improved stairs and platforms, a new public address system, and new lighting.



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NYC4Life Mar 26, 2013 5:11 PM

Cool pic from the 145th station:

http://i.imgur.com/z9Fy2Zs.jpg
http://imgur.com/r/nyc/z9Fy2Zs

Busy Bee Mar 26, 2013 8:16 PM

About as reckless as...

http://www.allcityblog.fr/wp-content...bwayart511.jpg
*

ardecila Mar 27, 2013 4:59 AM

Nice burner!

mrnyc Mar 31, 2013 4:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NYC4Life (Post 6062840)
9:36 AM
MTA: Smith-9th Street Station Reopens Next Month
By: NY1 News

http://www.ny1.com/content/top_stori...ens-next-month




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i just went by a couple times yesterday and it doesnt look anywhere near ready to open. hmmm.

NYC4Life Apr 3, 2013 5:58 PM

WPIX-TV NEW YORK

No. 1 train service returns to South Ferry Thursday morning
6 mins ago
by PIX11 Web Desk

http://pix11.com/2013/04/03/no-1-tra...#axzz2PEVAGeGJ

http://tribwpix.files.wordpress.com/...4388367-sf.jpg
The South Ferry station as it looked right after Hurricane Sandy.

Quote:

More than five months after Hurricane Sandy took the South Ferry subway station off line, the MTA has announced that No. 1 train service will return to the water-logged station starting Thursday morning at 5 a.m.

MTA spokesman Kevin Ortiz tweeted that the No. 1 train will run through the Old South Ferry loop station. The main station was severely damaged by Sandy and is years away from reopening.

Since Sandy, the MTA has been running a “special” No. 1 train that terminates at the Rector Street station.

The MTA has announced earlier it was planning to reopen the old station to complete the link to the southern end of the No.1 train.


Copyright © 2013 Tribune Broadcasting Company

antinimby Apr 3, 2013 9:15 PM

Re: the Red Hook / Smith-9th St station

It takes two years to upgrade the platform, stairs, public address system and lighting?

I realize it is the MTA but still...:rolleyes:

If it wasn't so sad it would be quite funny actually.

amor de cosmos Apr 7, 2013 12:44 AM

2nd ave subway or bust :yes:

Video Link

ardecila Apr 7, 2013 2:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by antinimby (Post 6077392)
Re: the Red Hook / Smith-9th St station

It takes two years to upgrade the platform, stairs, public address system and lighting?

I realize it is the MTA but still...:rolleyes:

If it wasn't so sad it would be quite funny actually.

I don't know if you are familiar with this station, but it is an elevated station on top of an absolutely behemoth viaduct that needed major structural work.

This was not the minor renovation you imply.

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2481/4...a96ea64c_z.jpg
src

ardecila Apr 9, 2013 3:40 AM

CitiBike stations are starting to appear on streets.

I love how the extensive use of Helvetica ties the bike-sharing stations into the broader MTA system graphically. The advertising is also done tastefully although I will reserve judgment until I see the bikes themselves.

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/3999/img0498fp.jpg

NYC4Life Apr 11, 2013 7:18 PM

04/10/2013 10:56 PM
MTA: 7 Train Extension To New Jersey Not An Economically Viable Idea
By: NY1 News

http://www.ny1.com/content/transit/1...ly-viable-idea

Quote:

The Metropolitan Transportation Authority is once again putting the breaks on Mayor Bloomberg's push to extend the number 7 subway train all the way to New Jersey.

A new feasibility study commissioned by the city found that some 128,000 riders would use the number 7 daily between Secaucus and Grand Central.

It also concluded it would be feasible to add a new 60-bay bus terminal at Secaucus and construct a 10th Avenue subway station.

Work is already underway to connect the 7 train from Times Square to 11th Avenue and 34th Street.

However, as it has in the past, the MTA said they don't see an extension to New Jersey as an "economically viable idea."

If the project were to move forward, the study said the next step would be to identify financing opportunities and review engineering and other operational aspects of the project.



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NYC4Life Apr 11, 2013 7:24 PM

2:33 PM
Quinn Proposes City Takeover Of MTA
By: NY1 News

http://www.ny1.com/content/transit/1...akeover-of-mta

Quote:

City Council Speaker and mayoral candidate Christine Quinn said this morning in a speech at LaGuardia Community College that the city should be in charge of its own mass transit system.

Speaking in the Long Island City section of Queens, Quinn said she wants mayoral control of the Metropolitan Transportation Authority board and a board member that represents the riding public.

The speaker said mass transit should be the engine for economic growth and having the city in charge of the MTA will ensure that riders will get the most for their money.

"The MTA chair is appointed by the governor. The mayor has a minority of the appointments on the MTA board. The majority of the new members are appointed by the governor and county leaders outside of our city," Quinn said.

"This has resulted in an MTA that doesn't respond quickly enough to the needs of New Yorkers and the changing face of our city."

The speaker also proposed extending Metro-North Railroad and ferry service in the city, as well as increased Select Bus Service in the boroughs outside of Manhattan.

The MTA, which is currently run by the state, is not commenting on Quinn’s suggestions.



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Busy Bee Apr 11, 2013 7:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NYC4Life (Post 6087177)
04/10/2013 10:56 PM
MTA: 7 Train Extension To New Jersey Not An Economically Viable Idea
By: NY1 News

http://www.ny1.com/content/transit/1...ly-viable-idea






© 2013 Time Warner Cable Enterprises LLC. All Rights Reserved.


IMO, the MTA's incessant opposition to this still has more to do with potential government jurisdictional convolution and how such a bi-state operation would work on a political basis than it is an admission that the concept is a good idea. To them the subway's never left the city line, let alone the state line.

Nexis4Jersey Apr 11, 2013 8:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Busy Bee (Post 6087221)
IMO, the MTA's incessant opposition to this still has more to do with potential government jurisdictional convolution and how such a bi-state operation would work on a political basis than it is an admission that the concept is a good idea. To them the subway's never left the city line, let alone the state line.

It was a stupid idea anyway , it benefits developers then commuters...and is a band-aid solution.

k1052 Apr 11, 2013 8:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Busy Bee (Post 6087221)
IMO, the MTA's incessant opposition to this still has more to do with potential government jurisdictional convolution and how such a bi-state operation would work on a political basis than it is an admission that the concept is a good idea. To them the subway's never left the city line, let alone the state line.

The MTA is incessantly opposed to almost everything. Only one of the three current large capital projects were actually something they wanted to do (ESA).

If the politicians get behind it (NJ and NY) and cobble together the money they'll do it. They just don't want the cash coming out of their capital budget.

k1052 Apr 11, 2013 8:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nexis4Jersey (Post 6087263)
It was a stupid idea anyway , it benefits developers then commuters...and is a band-aid solution.

Specifically you're upset that it would benefit NY developers instead of NJ developers. If you want to stimulate the urban areas in NJ near NYC then you should be begging for multiple NYCT line extensions into NJ as far as Newark.

Nexis4Jersey Apr 11, 2013 9:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by k1052 (Post 6087331)
Specifically you're upset that it would benefit NY developers instead of NJ developers. If you want to stimulate the urban areas in NJ near NYC then you should be begging for multiple NYCT line extensions into NJ as far as Newark.

Invest in the Gateway , that will stimulate Newark which is already starting to do well.... The 7 line would take longer then the Regional Rail and PATH.... And yes it benefits mainly NY developers , instead of NJ developers. Why to Secaucus , why not Hoboken Terminal which is where all the lines feed into and have excess capacity? Ever time we have a NJ-NY Project , NJ Projects like the Newark LRT Expansion and Hudson Bergen LRT Expansions get placed on hold...those expansions would benefit New Jersey more then another connection to New York which is needed in the form of Regional/Intercity Rail then Subway.

ardecila Apr 11, 2013 9:22 PM

Link to the study, with lots of nerdy details
http://www.nycedc.com/resource/no-7-...s-final-report

As usual, the project is over-designed. The Secaucus Terminal has a flyover to prevent conflicts and allow for 30 tph.

Also, there's no proposal for intermediate stops in Jersey, even though there's a golden opportunity to add one at Lincoln Harbor. If you think about the big picture, a subway stop in Weehawken could free up a huge amount of capacity in the Lincoln Tunnel and at Port Authority, and it would have a direct transfer to Hudson-Bergen Light Rail. It all makes way too much sense for Parsons Brinckerhoff.

Nexis4Jersey Apr 11, 2013 9:31 PM

That alignment is what Amtrak is proposing at least for the Jersey Side....so there trying to cancel out the Amtrak project? The Maintenance facticity is on a wetland....which will drive up costs...

k1052 Apr 11, 2013 9:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nexis4Jersey (Post 6087383)
Invest in the Gateway , that will stimulate Newark which is already starting to do well.... The 7 line would take longer then the Regional Rail and PATH.... And yes it benefits mainly NY developers , instead of NJ developers. Why to Secaucus , why not Hoboken Terminal which is where all the lines feed into and have excess capacity? Ever time we have a NJ-NY Project , NJ Projects like the Newark LRT Expansion and Hudson Bergen LRT Expansions get placed on hold...those expansions would benefit New Jersey more then another connection to New York which is needed in the form of Regional/Intercity Rail then Subway.

Because it was massively overbuilt as a transfer station and most of the NJT traffic comes through there. It also has room/access for a bus terminal to relive some of the stress on the PA Bus Terminal in midtown.

There should be at least one stop on any 7 extension that connects directly with the HBLR, which in itself would be FAR more valuable to NJ than simply extending HBLR.

Nexis4Jersey Apr 11, 2013 9:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by k1052 (Post 6087424)
Because it was massively overbuilt as a transfer station and all the NJT comes through there. It also has room for a bus terminal to relive some of the stress on the PA Bus Terminal in midtown.

There should be at least one stop on any 7 extension that connects directly with the HBLR, which in itself would be FAR more valuable to NJ than simply extending HBLR.

So we should not expand our LRT lines becuz they have no benefit to the NJ Economy , but we should continue to invest into NY? I have no problem with the Gateway Project , but does the 7 Project come with the replacement the NEC from Newark to Sunnyside , it does not....that will fix just about all the issues between the states... As it stands now not building the Gateway , and building the 7 train instead means the Regional , High Speed & Intercity Networks cannot be expanded. The Section of track from Newark to Sunnyside is endanger of collapse , there have already been a few derailments and numerous issues like broken catenary , falling concrete , and bad tracks why post pone replacement of that critical section of the NEC?

k1052 Apr 11, 2013 9:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Nexis4Jersey (Post 6087450)
So we should not expand our LRT lines becuz they have no benefit to the NJ Economy , but we should continue to invest into NY? I have no problem with the Gateway Project , but does the 7 Project come with the replacement the NEC from Newark to Sunnyside , it does not....that will fix just about all the issues between the states... As it stands now not building the Gateway , and building the 7 train instead means the Regional , High Speed & Intercity Networks cannot be expanded. The Section of track from Newark to Sunnyside is endanger of collapse , there have already been a few derailments and numerous issues like broken catenary , falling concrete , and bad tracks why post pone replacement of that critical section of the NEC?

I support most of Gateway but it's going to be on a signifigantly longer timescale than a 7 extension would be, particularly considering the Penn station morass and the involvement of even more agencies with a stake. Basically they're are too many moving pieces to that to pin all your hopes on it for near term relief.

Connecting with NYCT would realize the full capability of HBLR along with creating massive development all along it's route.

Nexis4Jersey Apr 11, 2013 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by k1052 (Post 6087476)
I support most of Gateway but it's going to be on a signifigantly longer timescale than a 7 extension would be, particularly considering the Penn station morass and the involvement of even more agencies with a stake. Basically they're are too many moving pieces to that to pin all your hopes on it for near term relief.

Connecting with NYCT would realize the full capability of HBLR along with creating massive development all along it's route.

The 7 Extension is at least 15 years out while the Gateway could be started within a few years.... How would the Gateway be longer then the 7? That really makes no sense....the NJ side is all cleared and bought up , the Tunnels are being prepped , the Portal Bridge is in the design and Engineering stage along with Kearny JCT upgrade , Penn Station is a mess....but the other more critical upgrades are easy and some just need funding.... NJT , Amtrak , Metro North all back to the Gateway Project.... You can't run a subway along the HBLR it runs at grade for most of its route or next to Freight tracks that will be expanded.....your that guy who keeps pushing those wacky ideas on SAS....

k1052 Apr 11, 2013 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Nexis4Jersey (Post 6087509)
The 7 Extension is at least 15 years out while the Gateway could be started within a few years.... How would the Gateway be longer then the 7? That really makes no sense....the NJ side is all cleared and bought up , the Tunnels are being prepped , the Portal Bridge is in the design and Engineering stage along with Kearny JCT upgrade , Penn Station is a mess....but the other more critical upgrades are easy and some just need funding.... NJT , Amtrak , Metro North all back to the Gateway Project.... You can't run a subway along the HBLR it runs at grade for most of its route or next to Freight tracks that will be expanded.....your that guy who keeps pushing those wacky ideas on SAS....

The guy who repeatedly posts huge elaborate fantasy schemes for rail expansion is calling me "wacky". Yea, Gateway is totally in the bag except for the minor considerations of design, funding, and property acquisition for the ludicrous Penn South part of the project. More likely it will be broken up into several pieces over decades with the quickest being those which can have a positive impact on current NEC service (like the Portal Bridge) and other sundry projects west of the palisades.

I'm not talking about running a subway along the HBLR. I'm talking about a transfer station that will connect HBLR to the 7 extension.

mrnyc Apr 14, 2013 8:39 AM

i was up at the renovated e180th st station the other day. unfortunately it was a freezing rainy day so i could not poke around as much as i would have liked to, but $ well spent on the renovations it looks great!



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Busy Bee Apr 14, 2013 3:05 PM

Awesome indeed!

NYC4Life Apr 14, 2013 10:27 PM

The best looking subway station in the Bronx, by far.

NYC4Life Apr 14, 2013 10:30 PM

WNBC-TV NEW YORK

Midtown Water Main Break Sends Water into East Side Access Project
Sunday, Apr 14, 2013 | Updated 6:13 PM EDT

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A water main break in Midtown Manhattan caused a torrent of water to rush down city streets and spill into the MTA's East Side Access construction project.

The FDNY says the break occurred when a Con Edison contractor struck a three inch pipe at Madison Avenue and 50th Street.

Water flooded a several basements and knocked out power to one building. It also rushed into a vent that's part of the East Side Access, an MTA construction project that will connect the Long Island Railroad to Grand Central Terminal.

Fire officials said they were determining the extent of the flooding.

No train service was effected. Crews had to temporarily shut off water to repair the break.



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NYC4Life Apr 20, 2013 6:49 PM

UPDATED 11:32 AM
Transit Between Boston, NYC Returning To Normal Saturday After Capture Of Second Boston Marathon Suspect
By: NY1 News

http://www.ny1.com/content/top_stori...rathon-suspect

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Transit in Amtrak's Northeast Corridor was expected to return to normal Saturday after being shut down for hours Friday following a manhunt for the second alleged suspect in the Boston Marathon bombings.

Amtrak said Friday night that it expected regular service between New York and Boston Saturday.

Limited service resumed Saturday night after almost a full day of suspensions during the manhunt in Boston.

Penn Station was crowded all day with stranded passengers when the Acela Express and Northeast Regional service were suspended.

Amtrak said that travelers should still check online before heading to their trains.

Anyone who already paid but can't travel now can get a refund or voucher for future travel.

There will also be additional security in place for races being held in the city this weekend.

The National Guard is sending an additional 150 guardsmen to the city, and sources tell NY1 that the State Police will also provide extra hands.



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ardecila Apr 20, 2013 7:12 PM

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Transit in Amtrak's Northeast Corridor was expected to return to normal Saturday after being shut down for hours Friday following a manhunt for the second alleged suspect in the Boston Marathon bombings.

Amtrak said Friday night that it expected regular service between New York and Boston Saturday.

Limited service resumed Saturday night after almost a full day of suspensions during the manhunt in Boston.
Isn't this a double standard? Logan Airport remained open the whole damn time.

Maybe not, though. Air travel already made its own deal with the devil to ensure security. I'm glad rail travelers don't have to suffer the TSA even if they do get stranded by events like the Marathon bombing.


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