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So yes, people do have issues with the schedules and the fares, and the LIRR and Metro-North are too suburban-focused nowadays to care. It's a cultural thing. They've never run more than about hourly off-peak service. The 110th, 86th, 72nd, and 59th Street stations on the New York Central in the steam era also had hourly service; the ridership was wiped out as soon as the els opened. The LIRR had stop spacing on the Atlantic Branch that's subway-comparable; it too closed stations and shifted farther east once the Jamaica el opened. The stop spacing on the Main Line and the Port Washington Branch in Queens was wider, but it was narrower than that of an express subway; those stations too were wiped by the subway. (The LIRR's ridership peaked in the 1920s and is close to recovering to its peak but hasn't done so yet.) Where people can deal with hourly frequency is the suburbs, since the distances to Manhattan are longer, and the railroads can pretend that relying mainly on peak-hour commutes to Manhattan and a bit of reverse commuting is a modern way to run a railroad. Garden City, Stamford, Metropark, and similar edge cities are auto-friendly enough that commuters never wonder where the public transit serving them is and never demand better. |
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As for Wakefield its off to the side , as opposed to the Subway which is right in the heart of the Neighborhood....and most people use Wakefield commute up to White Plains...or to nearby towns....same with other Northern Bronx neighborhoods.. Whenever I use the Harlem line to go to White Plains by the time we hit Mount Vernon West its standing room only....same with the New Haven line to Stamford and Hudson line to a lesser extent to Yonkers. The Far Rockaway line is used more then the Subway station.... The Forest Hills and Kew Gardens along with woodside stations also get a decent amount of ridership....it could be better like 8TPH....but they do get decent ridership which is a surprise to me... If it were up to me I would run most lines at least 4-6TPH even the Branches , the City Terminal Network would get 8-15 per hour.... But I think Metro North is aiming for at least 6-8TPH down the road between upgrades and expanding the fleet and stations , same with Electrified NJT lines and announcing that there adding 170 new train trips.... As for Garden City , Stamford and Metropark you need not have to worry. Garden City and Metropark are dying , along with most large office parks as companies with tax incentives and in general move back into the cities. Some are moving to Newark , White Plains , New Haven , Stamford , New Brunswick and those that can afford it NYC... Stamford is slowly turning into a city , it just needs to encourage more mixed use and improve its Pedestrian and Transportation network which is in crisis... I-287 Corridor is seeing a shift , businesses have moved from West Nyack , Elmsford and Purchase to White Plains , Metropark businesses are leaving for Newark , New Brunswick , and Elizabeth. Suburban North Jersey is seeing a shift to Hackensack , Paterson and NJ Gold Coast not all of these are huge companies some are small companies but this trend has been picking up steam since 2006. The good things coming out of these shifts are more investment in Urban areas and dead projects seem to be coming alive. |
Is it just me or are there no transit system maps for New Jersey that includes bus and rail lines together?
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For Wakefield and Far Rockaway, the extra fare and lower frequency is more of an issue. But for Far Rockaway, the LIRR is still rather slow, nearly an hour. One thing I've always wondered is why the LIRR can't shorten train lengths off-peak and run more trains since it uses EMUs (is quick decopuling possible?). Perhaps for the Port Washington Branch 4 tph is practical with shorter trains. |
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The LIRR actually is very useful if you're trying to get from Penn Station to Jamaica; the frequency is high enough because of interlining. In fact the way a lot of cities do commuter rail nowadays is to have a bunch of branches with 2-6 tph interline to have a rapid transit-like trunk segment; the difference with the LIRR is that those trunk lines have local stops so that they serve more than one origin-destination pair. For example, any system named RER or S-Bahn. (I suppose the same interlining business also holds for Tokyo, but the frequency is so high even on the branches that it doesn't matter.)
Ripping out the inner lines was bad, yeah, but that's the fault of car culture. The Whitestone Branch was doing fine for an LIRR line in the 1920s, but the city demanded that the LIRR grade-separate on its own dime in order to accommodate growing car traffic, and the LIRR preferred to shut the line down because it couldn't afford it. |
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I've noticed this a couple of times in various cities.
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interesting numbers from the census via amny:
3/5/13 NEWS By TIM HERRERA Manhattan has more commuting workers than anywhere in the country: Census Manhattan has the most commuters in the country, with about 1.6 million workers coming into the borough from somewhere else, according to census data released Tuesday. Of those 1.6 million people, about 391,008 travel in from Brooklyn, 370,243 are from Queens and 191,620 come from the Bronx, according to census figures. About 95,000 come in from Nassau County, with another 82,000 commuting from Westchester, the census reported. "It is well-known that Manhattan draws a lot of commuters to work," said Brian McKenzie, a Census Bureau statistician who studies commutes. "This information shapes our understanding of the boundaries of local and regional economies, as people and goods move across the nation's transportation networks." Meanwhile, about 131,000 Manhattan residents leave the borough for work, with about 27,000 going to the Bronx, about 24,000 going to Brooklyn and about 20,000 heading to Queens. |
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MTA Dusts Off Old South Ferry Station For Service By: NY1 News http://www.ny1.com/content/top_stori...on-for-service Quote:
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This is why its important to preserve redundant infrastructure-you never know when you might need it again.
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An unfortunate circumstance, but what can you do . . .
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I don't really understand how it can cost $600 million to replace signal components, electrical systems, and architectural finishes at South Ferry. They probably also need to replace all escalators and elevators. That's, what, $100 million tops? Many of the finishes can probably be cleaned instead of replaced (tile, architectural metal, etc).
Granted, the MTA's estimate was heavily padded. Still, with the old South Ferry coming online again, there will be no rush to get the new station up and running, so no overtime pay or night work (except materials deliveries, I guess). It can't possibly cost this much. |
^ Who knows. Signal engineering is apparently much more expensive than people think, but still, that number is nuts. The city and MTA are going to have to eventually deal with how to rein in construction costs, or it'll become too expensive to build anything at all in this city.
NYC Subway Ridership At 62 Year High, Despite Sandy Disruptions By Andrea Bernstein | 03/11/2013 – 12:22 pm http://transportationnation.org/wp-c...in-300x300.jpg "New York City’s subway ridership rose 0.8% in 2012, despite storm Sandy-related shut downs and service disruptions. According to figures released by the NY MTA Monday, some 1.654 billion riders rode the subways in 2012, 13.7 million more trips than in 2011. Weekend ridership grew by 3 percent, matching the all-time historic high for weekend ridership set in 1946. Word comes as the American Public Transit Association reports a record 10.5 billion trips on public transit. The system was shut for two days around storm Sandy. Eight tunnels flooded, and many lines from Brooklyn to Manhattan were shut for a week. The system is still not completely restored..." |
A worker has been injured from an accident at the Second Avenue Line subway tunnel:
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New York subway to get massive navigation touch screens Getting around the New York City subway system is about to get a lot more hands-on with the introduction of 47-inch touch screens to help folks find their way. by Amanda Kooser March 22, 2013 10:28 AM PDT http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-...touch-screens/ http://asset2.cbsistatic.com/cnwk.1d...y1_610x305.jpg Quote:
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Re: the Red Hook / Smith-9th St station
It takes two years to upgrade the platform, stairs, public address system and lighting? I realize it is the MTA but still...:rolleyes: If it wasn't so sad it would be quite funny actually. |
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CitiBike stations are starting to appear on streets.
I love how the extensive use of Helvetica ties the bike-sharing stations into the broader MTA system graphically. The advertising is also done tastefully although I will reserve judgment until I see the bikes themselves. http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/3999/img0498fp.jpg |
04/10/2013 10:56 PM
MTA: 7 Train Extension To New Jersey Not An Economically Viable Idea By: NY1 News http://www.ny1.com/content/transit/1...ly-viable-idea Quote:
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IMO, the MTA's incessant opposition to this still has more to do with potential government jurisdictional convolution and how such a bi-state operation would work on a political basis than it is an admission that the concept is a good idea. To them the subway's never left the city line, let alone the state line. |
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If the politicians get behind it (NJ and NY) and cobble together the money they'll do it. They just don't want the cash coming out of their capital budget. |
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http://www.nycedc.com/resource/no-7-...s-final-report As usual, the project is over-designed. The Secaucus Terminal has a flyover to prevent conflicts and allow for 30 tph. Also, there's no proposal for intermediate stops in Jersey, even though there's a golden opportunity to add one at Lincoln Harbor. If you think about the big picture, a subway stop in Weehawken could free up a huge amount of capacity in the Lincoln Tunnel and at Port Authority, and it would have a direct transfer to Hudson-Bergen Light Rail. It all makes way too much sense for Parsons Brinckerhoff. |
That alignment is what Amtrak is proposing at least for the Jersey Side....so there trying to cancel out the Amtrak project? The Maintenance facticity is on a wetland....which will drive up costs...
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There should be at least one stop on any 7 extension that connects directly with the HBLR, which in itself would be FAR more valuable to NJ than simply extending HBLR. |
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Connecting with NYCT would realize the full capability of HBLR along with creating massive development all along it's route. |
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I'm not talking about running a subway along the HBLR. I'm talking about a transfer station that will connect HBLR to the 7 extension. |
i was up at the renovated e180th st station the other day. unfortunately it was a freezing rainy day so i could not poke around as much as i would have liked to, but $ well spent on the renovations it looks great!
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_...ains_Road_Line) http://i1340.photobucket.com/albums/...ps43468dac.jpg http://i1340.photobucket.com/albums/...psdf6c1199.jpg http://i1340.photobucket.com/albums/...ps2c4caff4.jpg http://i1340.photobucket.com/albums/...psb5665064.jpg http://i1340.photobucket.com/albums/...ps1e0b81cc.jpg http://i1340.photobucket.com/albums/...ps44dccc74.jpg http://i1340.photobucket.com/albums/...ps1da59688.jpg http://i1340.photobucket.com/albums/...ps21d6fab0.jpg more: http://gothamist.com/2013/03/15/mta_...18.php#photo-1 |
Awesome indeed!
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The best looking subway station in the Bronx, by far.
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Maybe not, though. Air travel already made its own deal with the devil to ensure security. I'm glad rail travelers don't have to suffer the TSA even if they do get stranded by events like the Marathon bombing. |
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