Originally Posted by phxSUNSfan (Post 6022058)

As for the sketchiness of downtown, that is mostly a suburban manifestation of what the region used to be. Garfield isn't bad, low-income, but it is mostly stereotyped by outsiders...they see Latinos and run. Areas of Garfield are home to the local artists and they do walk around and ride their bikes after dark...especially after hitting the local bars. Walk north of downtown and you're in Encanto, Willo, etc. Walking further south would be weird only because there is nothing. Downtown offers amenities you can't find in Surprise and Chandler: museums, closer to employment clusters (downtown, midtown, Camelback, Gateway, etc), transit, the universities, historic neighborhoods, etc. What is lacking downtown is the actual amenities that would make it livable like other cities without having to own a car.

Originally Posted by Leo the Dog (Post 6022914)

I used to live in the immediate area until 2010 when I moved to CA. I've been chased on foot in broad daylight. Just look at Google maps, its pretty sketchy. I know it pretty well. When I was at ASU I took a class that studied Garfield. It was the geography of Hispanic and Latinos. We studied the characteristics of the houses and yards and people, very cool class. We had groups of 3-4 that were assigned specific blocks within Garfield to walk, observe, record, photograph and interview residents and then present our results. I know it pretty well. It's a sketchy neighborhood.

Originally Posted by dtnphx (Post 6022466)

A Phoenix Olympics? That's hilarious! Let's look at the reasons why it will not happen in our lifetime.

-The fucking heat

Originally Posted by dtnphx (Post 6022466)

-Our crazy, right-wing state government and ambassadors of yikes! Sherriff Shmo, Brewer, McCain. Seriously, less crazy people in Pakistan.


-Our state's anti-immigration policy, English-only, gun-packin' mentality. We can barely get Super Bowls!

Originally Posted by dtnphx (Post 6022466)

-We're not a world-class city. Atlanta (which hosted before) barely qualifies.

Originally Posted by dtnphx (Post 6022466)

Neither was ATL. The Olympics may be looking to go to emerging Cities in the future as opposed to already established Cities, its hard to say.

Originally Posted by dtnphx (Post 6022466)

-The State of Arizona picking up costs to subsidize an Olympics filled with socialists, communists and people of color? (Call Mitt)

Originally Posted by dtnphx (Post 6022466)

-One rail line does not constitute a decent public transportation system

Originally Posted by dtnphx (Post 6022466)

-Did I mention the fucking heat?

Originally Posted by Leo the Dog (Post 6023258)

I know DT is safe. The lack of murders has to do with the lack of and dispersal of the population. Population dot density map shows this.

The term I used, sketchy, is somewhat vague I guess. I wasn't referring to violent crimes. Very few residents of Alta, Roosevelt Point, 44monroe, Portland Place are gonna take Fido and wife for a nice stroll through Garfield after dinner. This is what I was getting at. They're confined between the 7s and north of the tracks.

Originally Posted by HooverDam (Post 6023471)

Due it in October, problem solved



These are minor issues. You think China has a sterling human rights record?









If there's one thing the conservative State of Arizona is happy to fund with tax payer money, its sports.




It doesn't. But 10-12 years from now, especially if an Olympic bid were creating a deadline, the system could be wildly different.



Did I mention October? The Sydney games were shifted to the latter half of September for a variety of reasons, so the IOC is certainly open to that sort of thing.

Do I think PHX will actual get the Olympics? No. But were any of those reasons really great ones? No.

PHX (in a joint bid with Tempe especially, but all the Valley cities) ought to be pushing hard to get the Pan American Games though. Once the new Sun Devil Stadium is built, ASUs amateur athletics complex is filled out, and if USA basketball moves their HQ to Tempe like is rumored, this would be an ideal place for the Pan Am Games.

The real biggest issue is 2024 would probably be too soon for PHX to host the Olympics. I can imagine us being ready for the Pan Am Games by that time, but the Olympics would likely have to wait until 2032 or so. Which is fine, PHX ought to toss its hat into the ring this time, and get its name out there.

I doubt a US City wins anyhow, as the IOC has been in the mood of spreading the wealth lately (i.e. going to places it hasn't been ever or in a very long time). I'd imagine the Olympics in 2020 will be somewhere in Africa or the Middle East as those areas have never hosted. South Africa could host as they did a fine job w/ the World Cup of Soccer. If Africa misses out on 2020, then they'd really be a strong contender for 2024.

Originally Posted by HooverDam (Post 6023471)

Due it in October, problem solved



These are minor issues. You think China has a sterling human rights record?









If there's one thing the conservative State of Arizona is happy to fund with tax payer money, its sports.




It doesn't. But 10-12 years from now, especially if an Olympic bid were creating a deadline, the system could be wildly different.



Did I mention October? The Sydney games were shifted to the latter half of September for a variety of reasons, so the IOC is certainly open to that sort of thing.

Do I think PHX will actual get the Olympics? No. But were any of those reasons really great ones? No.

PHX (in a joint bid with Tempe especially, but all the Valley cities) ought to be pushing hard to get the Pan American Games though. Once the new Sun Devil Stadium is built, ASUs amateur athletics complex is filled out, and if USA basketball moves their HQ to Tempe like is rumored, this would be an ideal place for the Pan Am Games.

The real biggest issue is 2024 would probably be too soon for PHX to host the Olympics. I can imagine us being ready for the Pan Am Games by that time, but the Olympics would likely have to wait until 2032 or so. Which is fine, PHX ought to toss its hat into the ring this time, and get its name out there.

I doubt a US City wins anyhow, as the IOC has been in the mood of spreading the wealth lately (i.e. going to places it hasn't been ever or in a very long time). I'd imagine the Olympics in 2020 will be somewhere in Africa or the Middle East as those areas have never hosted. South Africa could host as they did a fine job w/ the World Cup of Soccer. If Africa misses out on 2020, then they'd really be a strong contender for 2024.

Originally Posted by HooverDam (Post 6023471)

Due it in October, problem solved



These are minor issues. You think China has a sterling human rights record?









If there's one thing the conservative State of Arizona is happy to fund with tax payer money, its sports.




It doesn't. But 10-12 years from now, especially if an Olympic bid were creating a deadline, the system could be wildly different.



Did I mention October? The Sydney games were shifted to the latter half of September for a variety of reasons, so the IOC is certainly open to that sort of thing.

Do I think PHX will actual get the Olympics? No. But were any of those reasons really great ones? No.

PHX (in a joint bid with Tempe especially, but all the Valley cities) ought to be pushing hard to get the Pan American Games though. Once the new Sun Devil Stadium is built, ASUs amateur athletics complex is filled out, and if USA basketball moves their HQ to Tempe like is rumored, this would be an ideal place for the Pan Am Games.

The real biggest issue is 2024 would probably be too soon for PHX to host the Olympics. I can imagine us being ready for the Pan Am Games by that time, but the Olympics would likely have to wait until 2032 or so. Which is fine, PHX ought to toss its hat into the ring this time, and get its name out there.

I doubt a US City wins anyhow, as the IOC has been in the mood of spreading the wealth lately (i.e. going to places it hasn't been ever or in a very long time). I'd imagine the Olympics in 2020 will be somewhere in Africa or the Middle East as those areas have never hosted. South Africa could host as they did a fine job w/ the World Cup of Soccer. If Africa misses out on 2020, then they'd really be a strong contender for 2024.

Originally Posted by Classical in Phoenix (Post 6023738)

Oh, I think we can host the Olympics alright. But I think you guys have the wrong games, after yesterday we should be trying for the Winter Olympics.

Originally Posted by ASUSunDevil (Post 6023612)

I agree with all of those Olympic thoughts. Curious, where did you hear that U.S.A. Basketball could be moving it's headquarters to Tempe? I heard Glendale was a possibility until Van Tuyl bought the proposed land and they temporarily scrapped the idea. Tempe would be sooooo much better than stupid Glendale.