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The KO bridge proposal looks better in my mind because it comes together in the middle. It's a nice effect.

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Originally Posted by Onn (Post 6105387)

Sure, are you going to put up the extra $500 million to make that happen?

My spidey senses tell me that's an arbitrary number.

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Originally Posted by NYC4Life (Post 6105624)

The single tower cable-stayed bridge that'll replace the old City Island Bridge

http://marcodepot.com/blog/wp-conten...-Rendering.jpg
http://www.marcodepot.com/blog/infra...d-road-bridge/

Forgot about that one. So many bridges in the area, but we're in an era of building again.

There is a clear difference when it builds bridges in the United States and in Europe. In Europé they build in 9 out of 10 times collective traffic traces of any kind. I think it's time that America takes after and build into even public transport tracks under the bridge as it is done in most of those bridges in Europe. Sure, it costs a lot but in the long run it is money well invested.

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Originally Posted by kpdrummer82 (Post 6103929)

What the hell?! It's the same thing....

Well the current Goethals and Tappan Zee have similar looking designs - it's a matter of what's popular / current in terms of design of the time.

**Glad steps are finally being taken to replace the Goethals. No question that such steps are long overdue.

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Originally Posted by Dac150 (Post 6107235)

I use the Goathals once a week to get cheap gas and cigarettes. It's somewhat unnerving because the lanes are so damn thin. I actually like the old truss bridge and wish they could make it three lanes one way and build a new one to compliment it, but I realize that's probably impractical.

The thing is, these old truss bridges are very maintenance intensive. Although the trusses have very efficient use of material, they have so much surface area that requires painting and are vulnerable to rust. Not to mention the current trend in civil engineering (spurred by the I65W collapse) to remove truss bridges that don't have redundant load paths.

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Originally Posted by scalziand (Post 6107610)

I figured there was some engineering reason behind it. Old/New twin bridges look great though!

Contra Costa Times

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Left Coast Lifter set to leave Bay Area after Bay Bridge work

OAKLAND -- Say adios to the celebrated Left Coast Lifter, the gigantic red-white-and-blue crane barge that hoisted some of the new Bay Bridge's heaviest pieces into place.

It will leave its Oakland Pier 7 berth under tow in the summer and head to New York where it will help build the 3.1-mile replacement Tappan Zee Bridge over the Hudson River.

http://bangphotos.smugmug.com/photos...-tTmQ3ML-L.jpg

That is one heck of a crane that will be floating around the Hudson soon!

That's going to be one hell of a trip! Do they plan to sail through the Panama Canal, or is it going to be dismantled and hauled cross-country?

Huge, like another Statue of Liberty, lol.

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Originally Posted by CalibratedZeus (Post 6146140)

That is one heck of a crane that will be floating around the Hudson soon!

So cool, but I'm worried about this thing breaking up on the high seas!

New Tappan Zee Bridge Secures Largest TIFIA Loan Ever
Posted on Dec 20th, 2013

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Governor Andrew M. Cuomo today announced that the New York State Thruway Authority and the U.S. Department of Transportation (USDOT) have closed on a $1.6 billion low interest loan from USDOT’s Transportation Infrastructure Finance and Innovation Act (TIFIA) program to support the New NY Bridge project.

The TIFIA loan is the largest in the history of the program and nearly $700 million more than any other loan made under the program. The New NY Bridge is the largest highway and bridge project in North America, one of the largest construction contracts in New York State history, and one of the most ambitious infrastructure projects the state has undertaken in decades.

The TIFIA program allows for flexibility in how loan proceeds are to be paid. Under the terms of the closing today, the Thruway Authority will not begin to draw on the proceeds until early 2019, and will not make any repayments until five years later. The interest rate on the TIFIA loan is 3.89 percent.

The closing of the TIFIA loan comes one day after the closing on the sale of $1.6 billion in five-year bonds to support the New NY Bridge. The Thruway Authority developed an innovative new credit structure to use the TIFIA loan proceeds to pay off the $1.6 billion in General Revenue Junior Indebtedness Obligations sold yesterday. There was strong demand in the market for the five-year bonds, and the final interest cost is 2.277 percent, much lower than the 3.89 percent interest on the TIFIA loan.

Construction on the New NY Bridge began in October, and test pilings and other pre-construction activities have been underway since earlier this year.

The bridge also has a website.
http://www.newnybridge.com/

Meanwhile, the Donald weighs in too:

Donald Trump: State can't afford Tappan Zee Bridge replacement
Dec. 23, 2013
Written by Jon Campbell

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Donald Trump’s public flirtations with a potential gubernatorial campaign continued Monday, with the celebrity real-estate developer repeatedly criticizing one of Gov. Andrew Cuomo’s administration’s biggest undertakings -- replacing the Tappan Zee Bridge.

In a radio interview, Trump said he’s convinced the cost of the massive bridge will balloon to $10 billion, a cost he said the state can’t afford. The current projected price tag for the new bridge is as much as $4.8 billion, which includes both construction and financing costs.

The state Thruway Authority, which owns the bridge, closed on a $1.6 billion loan from the federal government for the bridge replacement project earlier this month. The better option, Trump said, is reinforcing the current span, which connects Westchester and Rockland counties across the Hudson River.

“The bridge is a totally fine structure, but it needs renewal,” Trump told host Fred Dicker on Albany’s WGDJ-AM. “And the renewal can be done for a tiny fraction of the -- in my opinion -- $10 billion bridge that they’re going to build.”

Trump offered no basis for his $10 billion estimate, aside from detailing his expertise in real-estate development.

Why can't they replace old and crumbing bridges in NYC? Those bridges are used by many people.

^^^
Too complicated/expensive for now, but when we live in a city of 9 or 10 million people instead of 8, something will have to be done to address the congestion.

It would be truly awe inspiring if they could get a megabridge built on the Hudson in addition to the GWB, like the one that was planned for 57th street called North River Bridge.

The New York City that Never Was: Part II Bridges

by benjamin waldman
06/13/11

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Gustav Lindenthal, the engineer who designed the Manhattan, Williamsburg, and Hell Gate Bridges, died without seeing his opus magnum realized. Lindenthal proposed building a bridge that would have spanned the Hudson River from 57th Street in New York City to Hoboken in New Jersey. The bridge was to be 6,000 feet long (nearly twice the length of the George Washington Bridge), 200 feet wide, and 200 feet above the river. It was designed to carry 12 railroads, 24 lanes of traffic, and 2 pedestrian promenades. The corner stone, part of an 8-foot tall block of concrete, was laid in 1895 in Hoboken and was the only part of the bridge to be built.

http://untappedcities.wpengine.com/w...-bridge-II.jpg

http://untappedcities.wpengine.com/w...lsbridgesm.jpg

Glad that bridge was never built.

So are they calling it the "New NY bridge" because they don't want to give it the Tappan Zee name and are probably mulling over ways to sell naming rights in a way that won't erupt the public with outrage?

Rest assured, it'll be referred to as the Tappan Zee for many years to come. These name experiments hardly ever hold up.

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Originally Posted by drumz0rz (Post 6389394)

no, they're calling it the new NY bridge to hype up the project because it's likely the most important bridge which will be built in NY State this century.

what day/time can we expect the lift to come up the hudson? id like to watch it go by. last i heard it was in or near mexico. thx if you know or have a guess.

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