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I see what happened, when you first click 'annual' and it says '2020' below, you get the lower number I quoted. But you can see, if you look, that its actually for 2021 (presumably YTD). When I found that I was able to shift to 2020, and I got your numbers! |
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So it appears to exclude renovations, additions, and non-residential construction. I can see how multi-unit buildings might just need 1 permit, but doesn't that mean NYC's count is understated, not overstated? --- Here's more detailed breakout of New Privately Owned Housing Units Authorized: https://www.census.gov/construction/bps/msaannual.html. |
For New York City, this report shows permits issued; and completions, but not Starts.
https://storymaps.arcgis.com/stories...42ff156345a719 According to the report there were 20,000 units completed in 2020 |
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Check out it's construction page: https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...80485&page=178 |
The us competed 375,000 multifamily units in 2020, the most in thirty years ; 55% of the units were buildings with more than 50 units . Assuming these averaged 100 units/building , that’s 2000 buildings . Are there comparable numbers for Canada ?
It’s harder to prove , but looking at for example Dallas , I believe that most of the build is concentrated in urban or new urbanism locations . Completions by metro area : https://reintelligent.com/apartment-...f-completions/ Interesting dc was #1 in terms of completions by submarket with 4000 units completed in navy yard / southwest in one year !. Astounding, that’s a game changer for the area. Downtown Chicago , Kansas City , and Houston — River oaks also did well |
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https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1...101%2C20211001 Looking at the 4 quarters of 2020: Number of apartment units started: 122,951 Row Houses and Semis are separate classifications. |
New York -- of course!
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I'm pretty sure there are more than 12 buildings in the Seaport / Southie alone over 12 stories currently u/c in Boston.
There's definitely more than 12 buildings at 12+ floors u/c in Cambridge. There might be in Somerville already too, but once all the Davis Square stuff starts, add it to the list. That Boston number is way off. I'll see if I can find the real number at ArchBoston. |
I count Seattle at 30 underway. Bellevue another 13.
Site prep is hard to gauge. Seattle allows earlier demo than it used to...made easier to avoid homeless fires etc. And a lot of projects are clearing sites and waiting for Covid or whatever. A few projects started then stopped and exist as holes in the ground. Several have been active in permitting like they might start soon. |
I'm seeing 32 u/c in Boston, 10 u/c in Cambridge, and 3 in Somerville.
This is from our own Diagrams plus some ArchBoston input. |
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83 for Houston seems like a lot. Educated guess to me would be like 15-20 buildings over 12 stories or more going up. 12 stories is taller than what our infill apartments tend to be here. Downtown has like 3 towers going up, there's 2-3 more in Midtown and Museum district, then 2 talls in the Medical Center + 5 or 6 in TMC3, then 2 or 3 towers in Uptown and 2 in Memorial City. Maybe there's some lesser known projects that are over 12 stories I'm forgotting, like mid-priced chain hotels or suburban hospital bed towers, but probably no more than 5-10.
Is there a way to see a list of what these buildings are? Also where they are? Wild guess: maybe industrial or maritime structures of some kind that somebody took the time to record in their database. Refinery towers, offshore equipment in drydock, shipyard cranes, or something weird like that. Maybe when this report was compiled a telecom company was deploying 5G with dozens of not really noticeable pole towers over 120' and for some reason those counted as U/C? Basically anything that's not a normal building, because if we had 83 high rise office or condo towers going up it would be obvious enough on this forum. |
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The Detroit total under construction is currently 24. That includes 17 low rises between 4-10 floors, 4 highrises, 1 skyscraper, 1 bridge and 1 parking garage. The buildings shown under construction for every other city has a similar composition. As I stated up thread, Emporis includes pretty much every kind of manmade structure, not just skyscrapers. |
Communist Party of China is probably building the most in North America.
62 currently listed in the SSP database as completed in 2020 in Toronto with 18 having 35 floors or more. A whooooole lot of ugly mullion caps and back painted spandrel glass. |
The change in Toronto skyline over the last decade has been phenomenal and the pace is not slowly down anytime soon either.
here is the Yonge axis from the lake to Yorkville https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...ea70842c_k.jpg Plenty of more under construction projects in the rest of the city as well https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...80485&page=178 |
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For the U.S., why aren't people just using the Census data? Seems pretty straightforward.
Pretty much every year, at least in recent history, Dallas-Forth Worth or Houston are building the most SFH, and NYC is building the most multifamily. The Census has monthly MSA data, through August 2021, and going back many years. https://www.census.gov/construction/bps/msamonthly.html |
I don't love looking at snapshot Census housing data bc construction can be highly variable over the years. That said, Austin has absolutely insane housing construction right now, and all the major TX cities are building like crazy. Nashville and smaller Florida metros are also going crazy.
Chicago is a definite laggard, at least relative to size. And it's amazing how little is u/c in Silicon Valley, ensuring a continuation of extreme housing pricing. The Rust Belt metros tend to have the least construction, which isn't surprising. |
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Then again there isn't much of anything getting built in South Florida these days. Fewer single family homes AND fewer multi-family then Provo, Utah for example. |
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Toronto is insane. Every time I visit it looks different.
As a kid, I spent a ton of family time between Detroit and Toronto in the late 80's/early 90's, as we have relatives in the GTA. The skyline has absolutely exploded since then, while the Detroit skyline has barely changed. The RenCen is so dominant in Detroit, and while the CN Tower and Bay Street office towers still loom large, basically everything else has changed. |
skyline-wise, toronto has certainly made the leap to "next level".
it's not so much that it's building so many highrise buildings (it's been doing that for a long time), it's more about the fact that it's now finally building so many truly tall buildings (700+ feet) that has it "rising" to a definitive 2nd/3rd place in north america (spilt the hairs with chicago as you will). NYC is obviously still out in front at #1, especially with the recent-ish super-tall frenzy that has taken hold of the city. Quote:
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I should have included this one as well, but here is all of Central Toronto
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...0dc3022f_k.jpg https://urbantoronto.ca/forum/thread....27943/page-15 |
Even during Covid, I was living at my parents place outside of the city for pretty much all of 2020/2021 until June of this year. Went back to my condo sporadically, but when I started walking around downtown again it was like jumping forward in a time machine where a building that was basically a stump when I left the city was now a 40-storey tower.
Four major office towers are nearing completion with The Well, Bay Adelaide North, CIBC Square Phase 1, and 160 Front continuing ahead during the lockdowns. Doubt we will see another major office development commence over the next few years as the long-term implications of Covid on office space requirements are sorted out. Condo market has rebounded quickly so no doubt we will continue to get our fill of tall, spandrel-filled crap. |
Toronto's growth is just wild. Nothing in North America comes close. It's exciting to have a city like that in the great lakes region. Give me that cyberpunk aesthetic!
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in the US/canada, since the start of the new millennium, there are 4 cities that have gobbled up the lion's share of new 500 footers (including U/C): NYC - 130 toronto - 80 miami - 55 chicago - 54 the rest - 199 so those 4 cities alone have combined for 62% of all the new 500 footers in the two nations. |
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toronto started from an extremely small base of 500 footers (miami would also be in that same category). in 1999, toronto only had 10 such towers. sure, there were a bazillion 20-story commie blocks sprinkled everywhere across the city, but the toronto skyline as a truly sky-piercing affair is mainly a 21st century phenomenon, quite unlike NYC and chicago, the two old school juggernauts (who have still kept pace admirably). |
It's sad to think how much more Toronto could have built if not for the NIMBYism that dominates the culture and the policy-making of the city. Looking at those pictures, one can only think of Toronto's unrealized potential due to the anti-high-rise attitudes of its populace. Toronto can be more than a low-rise city if the people and the politicians there were willing to open their minds. They need to allow Toronto to finally become a real city instead of just a glorified suburb.
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They can plan occupancy as much as they want but until they secure an anchor tenant it's smoke and mirrors. Likely they are marketing this as "If you sign a lease before the end of 2021 we can have you in your new landmark tower by 2025".
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However, ....... 11 Bay does........... And there are lots of interested parties buzzing around. There will likely be several major office towers rising. Nothing is ever certain, until after it has happened; but I feel confident in that projection. |
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Public confirmation should be out by year-end, I think. There are still some 'i' s to dot and 't' s to cross. **** They aren't the only big name shopping for space in Toronto either. |
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Yonge-Eglinton https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...ffc703bd_k.jpg Yonge-Eglinton, Yonge-Davisville and Yonge-St. Clair https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...8049a823_k.jpg North York City Centre https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...2ffbd767_k.jpg Golden Mile https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...fd836a89_k.jpg Humber Bay https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...fd9b3bc6_k.jpg Visual history of Toronto high-rise development https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...e8483560_k.jpg And finally here is his work of Downtown Toronto after all current construction and proposals are done https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...64fe765f_k.jpg https://urbantoronto.ca/forum/thread....27943/page-15 |
Any sense of how many units are being built every year in downtown Toronto? I'd guess around 10,000?
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I know that Commerce Court South proposal has an observation deck proposed (cool), but it would be really neat to have a public observatory in one of these very tall buildings going up in either College Park or Yorkville. Aside from douchey lounges in Yorkville, you can't really access views of Toronto that show the layers of the skyline as much, because the skyline is oriented along the Yonge corridor most strongly. So views from the lake, the most common angle, miss that. The CN Tower is great but misses the most iconic building in the city because you're inside of it (why Top of the Rock is better than ESB in NYC).
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It may be in another thread, but I remember NYC was at 30,000 and Toronto was at 22,000. That's probably numbers 1 and 2, respectively. Who would be #3? |
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If looking at just the urban core, I'd expect Seattle would be up there. |
Those Toronto diagrams are as awesome as they are dumbfounding... it is basically set to add the equivalent of Los Angeles skyline and the Philadelphia skyline (and probably more) to it's existing skyline in the coming years. Just astounding numbers.
While it pales in comparison to the Toronto numbers, Nashville has approximately 50 towers of 300 feet or more either U/C, approved, or proposed at the moment... I imagine that has got to be up there a ways, no? And before you ask, no, most of them are not hotels. |
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City...Housing Starts 2020...Per 100,000 people Jersey City...4,766...1,814.5 Toronto...22,000...750.9 Nashville...2,431...351.1 New York...30,000...340.9 Dallas...1,050...78.9 |
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