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Scott Charles Jun 20, 2019 2:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8610318)
You can read about Hampton's history HERE

Been working my way through your linked website, ER, and found a number or restaurants I used to go to. Anybody else remember these places?

https://i.imgur.com/Z0nmZjA.jpg
The caption says this was the Ships on Overland in Culver City. The Ships I went to was the one on Olympic and La Cienega.

Then there was Damiano Mr. Pizza on Fairfax, across the street from Canter's. I spent many a (drunken) night there. One of my girlfriends was a waitress there, and one of my best friends was a waiter.

https://i.imgur.com/t7mo548.jpg

And then there was Victoria Station, up where Universal Studios is (and was). Didn't they have some kind of funicular railway there? I was just a little kid the only time I went there...

https://i.imgur.com/Rkr5Thi.jpg

Mstimc Jun 20, 2019 2:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8610389)
A group of friends enjoying a holiday weekend gathering in Laurel Canyon, October 1914.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/atTZrH.jpg
ebay I believe the pics were sold. I haven't been able to find an active link.



https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/921/VzwQF3.jpg
ebay

Shenanigans! ...They look like a fun group of friends.








I am especially intrigued by this last snapshot.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/GgHEbI.jpg
ebay

Was there a water tower on, or near, Lookout Mountain or Lookout Mountain Inn? :shrug: ... If there wasn't. . .then I'm stumped. (and this 'officially' becomes a mystery location ;))

Lorendoc might know. I believe he lives in this area.





Here is the seller's complete information.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...924/zxqaob.jpg

I might have saved the Halloween 'costume' photo somewhere in my files. I'll have to look for it.

It's a shame the seller decided to sell the photographs separately.

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The formality of peoples' attire up through the 1930's intrigues me. I have a photo of my grandmother and great-aunts from the 1920's at Venice Beach fully decked out in fox furs--and it wasn't winter.

BillinGlendaleCA Jun 20, 2019 3:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Charles (Post 8610703)
Been working my way through your linked website, ER, and found a number or restaurants I used to go to. Anybody else remember these places?

https://i.imgur.com/Z0nmZjA.jpg
The caption says this was the Ships on Overland in Culver City. The Ships I went to was the one on Olympic and La Cienega.

I remember the Ships in Westwood, a bunch of us from the dorm went there(there may have been drinking involved prior to our visit).

Otis Criblecoblis Jun 20, 2019 5:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Charles (Post 8610703)
Been working my way through your linked website, ER, and found a number or restaurants I used to go to. Anybody else remember these places?

https://i.imgur.com/Z0nmZjA.jpg
The caption says this was the Ships on Overland in Culver City. The Ships I went to was the one on Olympic and La Cienega.


And then there was Victoria Station, up where Universal Studios is (and was). Didn't they have some kind of funicular railway there? I was just a little kid the only time I went there...

https://i.imgur.com/Rkr5Thi.jpg

I ate at both the Westwood and Culver City Ships, the Culver City location a number of times in its last years. They featured toasters at every table. The food was not all that good.

I went to that Victoria Station a good deal. It had the virtue of being affordable as a special-occasion place. The food was good! But the "funicular railway" was nothing more than an elevator operating along an incline.

oldstuff Jun 20, 2019 2:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8610635)
Earlier today I came across this handcut, amateur stereoview.

327 So. Alvarado St. Los Angeles....Oct. 4, 1914.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/r7jA6y.jpg
Ebay


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The house was lived in at that time by a George Starr White and his family. He was born in Connecticut in 1867. He lived at the address with his second wife Ada and daughters Marian Estelle and Ann Jane. His wife Ada apparently had mental problems and tried to kill one of the daughters to "make her an angel". Ada died in 1921 and Dr. White remarried in 1922.

His first wife, Hattie, who he married in New York, apparently tried to kill him. They divorced while still in New York.

He was a "physician" although it is not clear whether or not he was actually an MD. He was a proponent of "medical devices" such as things that supposedly cured ailments with methods like electric light. Google him and there is a picture. He died in Los Angeles in 1956 after having lived in Banning for a period of time. Altogether a colorful character, with lots of drama in his life. Google his name and read some very strange stuff.

ethereal_reality Jun 20, 2019 10:11 PM

:previous: Two attempted murders in one generation of family! ...Good undercover work, oldstuff.

What have the rest of you minions been doing today? :superwhip...*wink*

BillinGlendaleCA Jun 20, 2019 11:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oldstuff (Post 8611127)
His first wife, Hattie, who he married in New York, apparently tried to kill him. They divorced while still in New York.

I'm sure we'll all agree, that's reasonable grounds for divorce.

Quote:

Originally Posted by oldstuff (Post 8611127)
He died in Los Angeles in 1956 after having lived in Banning for a period of time.

I'm sure the Banning thing took a few years off his life.

ethereal_reality Jun 21, 2019 12:23 AM

Mystery tanks.

"Original Kodak Transparency/Slide, E Olympic Blvd FOUR TRACKS 9th Hooper 1950s."

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/S6Bl4f.jpg
Ebay



I pinpointed the location for you. (I'm 99.9% sure this is correct)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/s0dWYt.jpg
Google_Earth






Now let's do a lower altitude flyby.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/IH0A5y.jpg
DETAIL



re: The tanks

Unless I am mistaken, these two tanks are too far south to be the L.A. Gas tanks up by the old 102 Brewery.

The nearer one is definitely a gas-o-meter.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/wwQhje.jpg

but I am confused by tank number 2) in the distance.... Is this a gas-o-meter as well? I ask because I don't see the lattice frame work.



Have we seen these two, particular, tanks before? . . .or have I just forgotten about them.

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I can't let this go without pointing out the excellent looking corner Mobil Gas Station.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/259m4H.jpg
DETAIL

The taller buildings in the background still stand.

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FredH Jun 21, 2019 1:23 AM

:previous:

E.R. - Taking a stab at it:


Since we are pretty close to the produce market here, I am guessing that the gas-o-meter in the foreground is this one, which BillinGlendaleCA says was at 7th and Alameda.

https://i.postimg.cc/zvKdmNKD/Capture2.jpg
The Postman Always Rings Twice, MGM, 1946


https://i.postimg.cc/L41Qgtwd/postman.jpg
The Postman Always Rings Twice, MGM, 1946


I'm thinking then, that the gas-o-meter in the background would be over by the Brew 102.

BillinGlendaleCA Jun 21, 2019 5:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FredH (Post 8611922)
:previous:

E.R. - Taking a stab at it:


Since we are pretty close to the produce market here, I am guessing that the gas-o-meter in the foreground is this one, which BillinGlendaleCA says was at 7th and Alameda.


I'm thinking then, that the gas-o-meter in the background would be over by the Brew 102.

Looking at a 1952 aerial from Framefinder, the photo was taken at 8th and Alameda(you can even see the little building) looking northwest(Alameda runs north and south). The obvious gas-o-meter is at Alameda and 7th, but the far object is too far west to be the gas-o-meters by Brew 102(actually they were east of Brew 102). It's probably not a gas-o-meter but the Brunswich Drug Building in Little Tokyo.

I was mistaken, the presence of the gas station clearly shows up at Hooper/Long Beach and Olympic; I live in shame. I don't think the gas-o-meter is the Brunswick building either, but I still think it's not far east enough to be the gas-o-meters east of the Brew 102 complex.

ETA: I'm thinking it might be the LA Cold storage building. It's definitely a building, it's got stuff on top.

ETA2: Here's the relevant portion of the aerial(April 1960) from FrameFinder, the photo was taken just out of the frame at the left by the black mark at the left. There's a tall building just east of Alameda and north of 1st(currently LA Fire Engine 4) that might be a possibility...
https://i.postimg.cc/QdYtf3Dd/Annota...-21-113017.jpgvia FrameFinder

Martin Pal Jun 21, 2019 6:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Charles (Post 8610703)
Been working my way through your linked website, ER, and found a number or restaurants I used to go to. Anybody else remember these places?

https://i.imgur.com/Z0nmZjA.jpg
The caption says this was the Ships on Overland in Culver City. The Ships I went to was the one on Olympic and La Cienega.

Then there was Damiano Mr. Pizza on Fairfax, across the street from Canter's. I spent many a (drunken) night there. One of my girlfriends was a waitress there, and one of my best friends was a waiter.

https://i.imgur.com/t7mo548.jpg

And then there was Victoria Station, up where Universal Studios is (and was). Didn't they have some kind of funicular railway there? I was just a little kid the only time I went there...

https://i.imgur.com/Rkr5Thi.jpg


I've eaten at all three of these places! A couple of times each at Damiano's (but the last time I had food from there was a pizza delivery) and Victoria Station.

Over the years I ate several times at the Ship's on La Cienega (where a film titled Into the Night filmed scenes there) and less rarely at the Westwood location, where the L.A. Weekly always would spotlight "the worst waitress in Los Angeles" who worked there.

I worked in Culver City from 1977-83 and during all that time was a regular at that Ship's. (Diagonally across the street from M-G-M Studios.) I must've tried nearly everything on the menu. My favorite thing was the clam chowder they served on Friday's only...it wasn't New England or Manhattan, but some kind of mixture of the two with a Mexican tinge to it. I also loved the brisket of beef sandwich and the turkey burger. The toasters at all the tables and the counters were a noted feature of these locations. One of the waitresses told me they had a customer (they eventually discovered who it was) that would alter the toasters so the bread would pop out of them high into the air.

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Originally Posted by Otis Criblecoblis (Post 8610859)
I ate at both the Westwood and Culver City Ships, the Culver City location a number of times in its last years. They featured toasters at every table. The food was not all that good.

On your assertion that the "food was not all that good" I will say two things. 1.) The very first time I ate there I had something that I didn't like at all. So much so that I didn't care to go back, but one day did go with someone and really liked the food that time and we became regulars. I liked the food there. 2.) A friend and I went there in "it's last years" to have the clam chowder again and they didn't have it. We were told that the restaurants left were now managed individually using the name and so were only under the Ship's "umbrella" by name only, not necessarily what they served there. That happened with Hamburger Hamlet's that stayed on, too. They lost some of their signature foods they had previously served.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Otis Criblecoblis (Post 8610859)
I went to that Victoria Station a good deal. It had the virtue of being affordable as a special-occasion place. The food was good! But the "funicular railway" was nothing more than an elevator operating along an incline.

A short discussion of that incline from last September:
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...on#post8318445

Martin Pal Jun 21, 2019 6:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 8612548)
Over the years I ate several times at the Ship's on La Cienega (where a film titled Into the Night filmed scenes there) ...

Link: Into the Night Los Angeles Filming Locations
https://www.itsfilmedthere.com/2011/03/into-night.html

This still of SHIP'S from the movie INTO THE NIGHT from the above link, isn't that interesting, but I thought a comment on the blog was interesting enough to post it.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-C85LIrppX...Restaurant.JPG

Comment: I was in this film, in the photo you have of Ships Restaurant. That's me, the blond haired guy on the left, with the blond haired girl seen through the door. This crane shot was the last scene filmed after a full evening of scenes with Jeff (Goldblum) & Michelle (Pfeiffer). Almost 6am.
cheers... Guy Guden
( guyguden.blogspot.com )
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P.S.: It seems Photobucket is screwing around again. A lot of missing photos once more.
EXAMPLE:
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=29964

ethereal_reality Jun 22, 2019 5:07 AM

Thanks for your help FredH & BillinGlendale.


Quote:

Originally Posted by BillinGlendaleCA (Post 8612083)
Looking at a 1952 aerial from Framefinder, the photo was taken at 8th and Alameda(you can even see the little building) looking northwest(Alameda runs north and south). The obvious gas-o-meter is at Alameda and 7th, but the far object is too far west to be the gas-o-meters by Brew 102(actually they were east of Brew 102). It's probably not a gas-o-meter but the Brunswich Drug Building in Little Tokyo.

I was mistaken, the presence of the gas station clearly shows up at Hooper/Long Beach and Olympic; I live in shame. I don't think the gas-o-meter is the Brunswick building either, but I still think it's not far east enough to be the gas-o-meters east of the Brew 102 complex.

ETA: I'm thinking it might be the LA Cold storage building. It's definitely a building, it's got stuff on top.

ETA2: Here's the relevant portion of the aerial(April 1960) from FrameFinder, the photo was taken just out of the frame at the left by the black mark at the left. There's a tall building just east of Alameda and north of 1st(currently LA Fire Engine 4) that might be a possibility...
__________________________________________________________________________

you wrote:..."The photo was taken just out of the frame at the left by the black mark at the left." ...huh? I'm confused. :eeekk:




You're saying gas-o-meter #1 is this one, correct? [see below]

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/6CbaMf.jpg;)...ha ha
DETAIL / full photo HERE

But I don't see the gas station at Hooper/Long Beach and Olympic. Is it out-of-frame on the left? (is that what you were trying to say earlier?)


...and you think tank #2 isn't a tank at all, right?

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...921/wwQhje.jpg
DETAIL/ Complete photo HERE

hmmmm.....I thought it was round. .... Does it appear round to anyone else?

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ethereal_reality Jun 22, 2019 5:41 AM

I ran across this nifty image of the 'space-age' Thrifty sign.... (the one visible in the flood pics from a few days ago)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/923/wupQqP.jpg
BALDWIN HILLS / found in one of my old files


Do any of you an-gel-leen-ohs who grew up in the area, remember the little bridge at the sign's legs.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/1nBoRQ.jpg
DETAIL


just wonderin'
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ethereal_reality Jun 22, 2019 6:04 AM

I saw this photograph and was intrigued by the wooden crenellations lining the 'balcony' above the front porch.


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/whpAIp.jpg
LAPL

Apparently, there is no longer a Joy St. in Vernon.




...but I found a JOY KNITS on E. 30th St.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/4Vr3y3.jpg
GSV

Do you think E. 30th Street might have been Joy Street at one point in time? :shrug:



(this is, what one would call, a Shot in the Dark)

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Otis Criblecoblis Jun 22, 2019 8:57 AM

This discussion is making me hungry
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 8612548)
On your assertion that the "food was not all that good" I will say two things. 1.) The very first time I ate there I had something that I didn't like at all. So much so that I didn't care to go back, but one day did go with someone and really liked the food that time and we became regulars. I liked the food there. 2.) A friend and I went there in "it's last years" to have the clam chowder again and they didn't have it. We were told that the restaurants left were now managed individually using the name and so were only under the Ship's "umbrella" by name only, not necessarily what they served there. That happened with Hamburger Hamlet's that stayed on, too. They lost some of their signature foods they had previously served.

I greatly respect your defense of Ships! That's why I specified that I ate there in its last years: I naturally assumed that it was not representative of its historical quality.

Your mention of Hamburger Hamlet here is especially pertinent, because yes, HH's quality plummeted precipitously in its last few years. I still grieve over the loss of that excellent chain. Boy, do I miss their Tin Roof Sundae!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 8612548)
A short discussion of that incline from last September:
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...on#post8318445

This is entirely congruent with my recollection. It was never really a funicular railway, which has two cars acting as counterweights to each other.

HossC Jun 22, 2019 4:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8611872)

Mystery tanks.

"Original Kodak Transparency/Slide, E Olympic Blvd FOUR TRACKS 9th Hooper 1950s."

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/S6Bl4f.jpg
Ebay

The same seller has this slightly different angle on the same intersection.

Kodak Transparency MTA PACIFIC ELECTRIC No. 1804 WATTS LINE OLYMPIC BLVD 1950s

https://i809.photobucket.com/albums/...icAlameda1.jpg
Ebay

I think the original location of "E Olympic Blvd FOUR TRACKS 9th Hooper 1950s" (circled below) is correct (as e_r and BillinGlendaleCA said), which means that it probably is the gasometer near Brew 102 in the background. The aerial below is from 1956.

https://i809.photobucket.com/albums/...icAlameda2.jpg
mil.library.ucsb.edu

FredH Jun 22, 2019 4:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8613098)
Thanks for your help FredH & BillinGlendale.



you wrote:..."The photo was taken just out of the frame at the left by the black mark at the left." ...huh? I'm confused. :eeekk:




You're saying gas-o-meter #1 is this one, correct? [see below]

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/6CbaMf.jpg;)...ha ha
DETAIL / full photo HERE

But I don't see the gas station at Hooper/Long Beach and Olympic. Is it out-of-frame on the left? (is that what you were trying to say earlier?)


...and you think tank #2 isn't a tank at all, right?

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...921/wwQhje.jpg
DETAIL/ Complete photo HERE

hmmmm.....I thought it was round. .... Does it appear round to anyone else?

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I'm going to stick with my original guess that #2 is a gas-o-meter near the 102 brewery. I don't think there was anything else that tall in the area.

https://i.postimg.cc/7hCLxKGw/Capture1.png

Flyingwedge Jun 22, 2019 5:23 PM

Joy Street in Vernon
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8613118)
I saw this photograph and was intrigued by the wooden crenellations lining the 'balcony' above the front porch.


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/whpAIp.jpg
LAPL

Apparently, there is no longer a Joy St. in Vernon.


...but I found a JOY KNITS on E. 30th St.


Do you think E. 30th Street might have been Joy Street at one point in time? :shrug:


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It's hard to tell if E. 30th was once Joy St., but I think you're pretty close to that interesting old home's location, e_r.

On the 1909 map below, A = Alameda Street, S = Santa Fe Avenue (where Vernon Avenue still jogs), and R = the Los Angeles River.

https://i1165.photobucket.com/albums...pshykudskz.jpg

2006-0252b @ CA State Library

BillinGlendaleCA Jun 22, 2019 7:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8613098)
Thanks for your help FredH & BillinGlendale.



you wrote:..."The photo was taken just out of the frame at the left by the black mark at the left." ...huh? I'm confused. :eeekk:

Yup. I'll include the aerial for that section when I can access it(it's on a disk that's not on-line now).



Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8613098)
You're saying gas-o-meter #1 is this one, correct? [see below]

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...921/6CbaMf.jpg;)...ha ha
DETAIL / full photo HERE

But I don't see the gas station at Hooper/Long Beach and Olympic. Is it out-of-frame on the left? (is that what you were trying to say earlier?)


...and you think tank #2 isn't a tank at all, right?

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...921/wwQhje.jpg
DETAIL/ Complete photo HERE

hmmmm.....I thought it was round. .... Does it appear round to anyone else?

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Yes, that is the first tank. The second "tank" is too far to the west to be one of the one's near the river by Brew 102. The other reason I think it might be a building is that it seems to have a bunch of stuff on top(tanks usually only had one thing sticking out in the center).

BillinGlendaleCA Jun 22, 2019 7:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FredH (Post 8613271)
I'm going to stick with my original guess that #2 is a gas-o-meter near the 102 brewery. I don't think there was anything else that tall in the area.

https://i.postimg.cc/7hCLxKGw/Capture1.png

There were gas-o-meters on both sides of the 101, they're not the ones that were south of the freeway(east of Brew 102), they're too far east. If it is a gas-o-meter, it could be on the north side of 101.

Martin Pal Jun 22, 2019 8:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Otis Criblecoblis (Post 8613139)
Your mention of Hamburger Hamlet here is especially pertinent, because yes, HH's quality plummeted precipitously in its last few years. I still grieve over the loss of that excellent chain. Boy, do I miss their Tin Roof Sundae!
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I miss the Cinnamon Chip Ice Cream.

riichkay Jun 22, 2019 11:41 PM

Last add re: photographer Peter Stackpole (pg. 2584)....he was a minor character in one of the most notorious tales of the noir city, that of Errol Flynn, his yacht "Sirocco", and the allegation of rape on the part of 15 year-old actress Peggy Satterlee....Stackpole was on board that fateful August 1941 weekend, photographing Flynn for a Life Magazine feature...


https://i1381.photobucket.com/albums...ps5rws6rpz.jpg



Satterlee goes for a ride on Flynn's dinghy....

https://i1381.photobucket.com/albums...psbshnerxv.jpg




https://i1381.photobucket.com/albums...pslboefcws.jpg



In Oct. 1942, Stackpole's pictures were subpoenaed by the D.A. as evidence that Satterlee had been on board (a fact that Flynn was not contesting)...Sid James, the magazine's L.A. bureau chief, expressed concern about Life's involvement in the case potentially damaging their relationship with the industry in this internal memo....

https://i1381.photobucket.com/albums...smzlpg5v7.jpeg



As the trial approached Stackpole became increasingly concerned that Flynn's attorney (legendary Hollywood fixer Jerry Giesler), would drag him into the case, as Stackpole had driven the girl home from the docks at the end of the weekend....

https://i1381.photobucket.com/albums...smxlknqqy.jpeg




Satterlee displaying the subject photos at trial....

https://i1381.photobucket.com/albums...psuppqace0.jpg



https://i1381.photobucket.com/albums...psvzz0gs2e.jpg

Giesler to the left of Flynn.



https://i1381.photobucket.com/albums...psioym8zfw.jpg

As it turned out, Giesler never employed the Stackpole gambit, winning acquittal based on Flynn's celebrity appeal to the predominantly female jury, and Satterlee's sketchy background (she'd already had an abortion)....here Flynn thanks the jurors...(Flynn was also acquitted of raping another young woman, Betty Hansen, at the same trial)....



In addition to the acquittal, the trial benefited Flynn in that he made the acquaintance of 19 year-old Nora Eddington, who was working at the courthouse's snack bar....she was soon pregnant and the couple married in Mexico in 1944.



https://i1381.photobucket.com/albums...pszrhang35.jpg

Flynn, Eddington, Rita Hayworth and husband Orson Welles celebrating Hayworth's 28th birthday aboard Flynn's yacht "Zaca" in a Mexican port, 10/17/46....Hayworth and Welles were filming the classic film noir "The Lady from Shanghai", they both starred in the pic and Welles also directed....Flynn was contracted for 2 months use of the boat, which he piloted up the coast to San Francisco, where the film reaches it's climax.


Flynn and Eddington were divorced in early '49, within months she was remarried, to the crooner Dick Haymes.


Eddington and Haymes split up in '53, and Haymes was quickly married again, this time to....wait for it....Rita Hayworth.


As for Peggy Satterlee, there is no mention of her whatsoever in the press after 1945...IMDB reports that she died in Reno NV. on 11/5/2005, age 79.


Source for the Stackpole/Flynn saga is here.... http://blog.nyhistory.org/peter-stac...lynn-and-life/

Godzilla Jun 23, 2019 3:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hollywood Graham (Post 8589208)
I remeber the comercials for Earl's car painting. The price was $19.95 then, my Aunt had her 49 Chev. painted there. One real bad thing Earl did was not cover th rubber on the tires when spraying the rims. Earl just used tire paint to cover up the color that got on the tires. I remebered that when I took a Sunbeam Alpine to them many years later and told them to not spray the wheels for that reason. They ignored my request and sprayed them the same old way anyway. I was mad to say the least. I was looking for a cheap paint job to sell the car and it was cheap but not very good quality.



1951, Muller Bros Polish for $7 or for 5x that get the spray and infrared treatment.


http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/ee75287d1ff2df09_largehttp://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/ee75287d1ff2df09_large



JUne 1951, Muller Bros. $35.00

http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/3f74609638bfb52f_large http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/3f74609638bfb52f_large

ethereal_reality Jun 23, 2019 5:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge (Post 8613290)
It's hard to tell if E. 30th was once Joy St., but I think you're pretty close to that interesting old home's location, e_r.

On the 1909 map below, A = Alameda Street, S = Santa Fe Avenue (where Vernon Avenue still jogs), and R = the Los Angeles River.

https://i1165.photobucket.com/albums...pshykudskz.jpg

2006-0252b @ CA State Library

This map is great. :previous: I don't believe I have seen it before. Thanks for your help, FW.



"In 1905, Vernon was incorporated by ranchers James J. and Thomas J. Furlong and John B. Leonis, a merchant.
They named the new city after a dirt road, Vernon Avenue, crossing its center."
...........from WIKI

Speaking of Vernon Avenue....

"Mrs. Mark Cook at the Vernon Avenue entrance to Carl's Viewpark restaurant, charmed to be America's finest combination drive-in and restaurant."

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/4p7m8y.jpg
LAPL / Photo dated: February 26, 1938.

The photograph of Mrs. Mark Cook seemed vaguely familar to me.. so I went googling.


I could have been thinking of this photograph of Scott's lovely mom at Viewpark Chapel. (same name, Viewpark....same architectural style...& both have one woman in dark clothing)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Los Angeles Past
Mom at UMM's flagship Viewpark chapel at 3719 West Slauson, in 1941.

https://otters.net/img/lanoir/momutt...070641_lap.jpg

I still have the Winton wristwatch Mother is wearing there. It was a gift to her from Mr. McKinley.

-Scott

Read Scott's entire post HERE



To read more about Carl's Viewpark Restaurant (top photo) you can visit Tourmaline's post HERE

I'm sorry that I blew up at you, Tourmaline. :( I sincerely apologize.
I wish you would return to NLA.


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sadykadie2 Jun 23, 2019 6:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8601519)
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img924/2985/UF3xc0.gif

Thanks for a great 10 years, noirisher!


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When I was a single mom, this site was my escape at night after a hard day at work. I would look forward all day to being here. Thanks for being a place that was just so much happiness during a hard time in my life

sadykadie2 Jun 23, 2019 6:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 8608691)
They've all changed the ''meat'' they're allowed to use. Now, more of what used to be discarded meat [dog food] is used....such as connective tissue.

Back in the day, you could get a high quality meal at Hamburger Hamlet where prime cuts were ground into ''hamburger". It appears that those days are long gone. Generally food in the USA is some of the worst in the world. Kids today don't know what it was like 60 years ago.

https://metvcdn.metv.com/0UK6C-14942...rgerhamlet.jpg
metv

We had a great Hamburger Hamlet here in Costa Mesa that closed in the 90's. Still miss it. I think those were the only 2 locations

Godzilla Jun 23, 2019 6:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by riichkay (Post 8613466)
Last add re: photographer Peter Stackpole (pg. 2584)....he was a minor character in one of the most notorious tales of the noir city, that of Errol Flynn, his yacht "Sirocco", and the allegation of rape on the part of 15 year-old actress Peggy Satterlee....Stackpole was on board that fateful August 1941 weekend, photographing Flynn for a Life Magazine feature...


https://i1381.photobucket.com/albums...ps5rws6rpz.jpg



Satterlee goes for a ride on Flynn's dinghy....

https://i1381.photobucket.com/albums...psbshnerxv.jpg


Errol's son, Sean left a noirish LA imprint too (a la LIFE, circa 1961).



He maintained his swashbuckling skills in the AM
http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/a043abc4e10f8f39_largehttp://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/a043abc4e10f8f39_large







Entertained in the afternoon.
http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/a077034b454b89bd_largehttp://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/a077034b454b89bd_large







Hung out at the Pink Pussycat (presumably when it was located at 7969 Santa Monica Blvd.)
http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/f24e82fe5e6587ea_large




And prowled the strip while Kookie was nearby parking cars.


Here he is in his XK, across from what was then called The Renaissance Club (8428 Sunset Blvd.) circa 1961. **


http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/706cfef688a7d8a7_largehttp://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/706cfef688a7d8a7_large




http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/8a5be0d8792cca11_largehttp://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/8a5be0d8792cca11_large



http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/11d217b741a40218_largehttp://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/11d217b741a40218_large




** JHGraham offers an interesting glimpse of this address' colorful history:


Quote:

A nightspot existed in a former private residence at 8428 Sunset Blvd. as of 1930 at least, when it was the Cortez Club, managed by bootlegger-gambler (and future murder victim) Les Bruneman at the time of his involvement in the notorious Zeke Caress kidnapping in December of that year. By 1933 it was operating as the Club Seville, run by Alfred B. Freitas and raided by federal Prohibition officers for violation of the not-quite-yet-repealed Volstead Act (1). 8428 meanwhile, became one of the many Hollywood locations of the Russian Eagle supper club.
By the late 1930s it appears to have reverted to use as a private residence again, but as of 1943 it was operating as The Left Bank Theater. https://jhgraham.com/2016/06/14/8428-sunset-blvd/

CityBoyDoug Jun 23, 2019 10:57 AM

https://victualling.files.wordpress....3/wwii1945.jpg
JW

During WWII, restaurants in LA were packed to the ceiling with hungry customers. It was good manners to eat your meal and quickly leave. People were always waiting for a seat.

Martin Pal Jun 23, 2019 8:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 8612565)
P.S.: It seems Photobucket is screwing around again. A lot of missing photos once more.
EXAMPLE:
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=29964
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Working again right now. :shrug:



Quote:

Originally Posted by riichkay (Post 8613466)
Last add re: photographer Peter Stackpole (pg. 2584)....he was a minor character in one of the most notorious tales of the noir city, that of Errol Flynn, his yacht "Sirocco", and the allegation of rape on the part of 15 year-old actress Peggy Satterlee....Stackpole was on board that fateful August 1941 weekend, photographing Flynn for a Life Magazine feature...
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#NoirMeToo

Not assigning guilt or blame to anyone, but Errol was lucky he wasn't around nowadays. Maybe the girls weren't so lucky. I don't know.

At a 4k restoration screening of The Adventures of Robin Hood at the Arclight, more than a decade ago I believe, some of Flynn's relatives were there and one of them who they said was his grandson (maybe great grandson?) well, he seemed the spittin' image of Errol in looks and personality. I could definitely see him getting into trouble, too.

Martin Pal Jun 23, 2019 8:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Godzilla (Post 8613645)
** JHGraham offers an interesting glimpse of this address' colorful history:
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NoirCityDame, who used to post on NLA, often used Decobelle on her photobucket photo links and looking up her photobucket account it is under the name Jill Graham. Do you suppose the J.H. Graham of the website is NoirCityDame? :shrug:

ethereal_reality Jun 24, 2019 1:00 AM

I've always wanted my very own, pocket-size (so to speak), hovercraft!

Has anyone heard of the Dobson Air Dart?

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/iMJ3vj.jpg
old file / possibly found on ebay

Unless I'm reading the ad wrong, all you get for your two dollars are the plans!

This might explain why the 1539 N. Laurel Avenue address is an apartment building. (behind the Laugh Factory on Sunset Blvd)






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CityBoyDoug Jun 24, 2019 12:35 PM

http://www.weirduniverse.net/images/...37_.09_PM_.png ...[img]
weird Uhttp://www.weirduniverse.net/images/uploads/Screen_Shot_2017-02-01_at_1.28_.37_PM_.png[/img]

Always there has been fun things coming out of L.A.

Gee, why didn't these catch on?

ethereal_reality Jun 24, 2019 3:41 PM

:previous: Can you imagine a thousand of these things on the 101.

Martin Pal Jun 24, 2019 5:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 8614216)
3518 W. Cahuenga Blvd.
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Just a short swing from Monkey Island at 3300 Cahuenga Blvd.

FredH Jun 24, 2019 8:09 PM

OK Guys - I'll see your Dobson Air Darts and raise you a Polaris Nuclear Sub

https://i.postimg.cc/2SGVhXQz/sub.png



Note: Mine comes with nuclear missiles and torpedoes

CityBoyDoug Jun 24, 2019 9:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FredH (Post 8614683)
OK Guys - I'll see your Dobson Air Darts and raise you a Polaris Nuclear Sub

https://i.postimg.cc/2SGVhXQz/sub.png



Note: Mine comes with nuclear missiles and torpedoes

It requires assembly....looked kind of difficult.

ethereal_reality Jun 24, 2019 10:22 PM

'MYSTERY' SALOON

Since the Fourth of July is coming soon...it's time to post these two amazing cabinet cards I came across recently on ebay.

"2 Original Antique Photos, Los Angeles Saloon Interior/Exterior, 4th of July Bunting, 1907."

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/924/4GznUe.jpg
Ebay

The exterior is of the bar. It is on the corner. The awning reads "Wine & Liquor." It's address if 507 (though, what street it is on eludes me). The bar is decorated with Independence Day bunting and flags (it is a 45 star flag, which means that this photo almost certainly dates from 1896 to 1908, when the flag would have been current). There are several ads and signs for booze around the entrance (including Los Angeles Beer and Ye Olde [Something] Exported Whiskey). On the left we can see a laundry, the "Model Hand Laundry," which has a sign for a boxing match (or possibly a reel of a match), featuring "Battling Nelson" on the 25 of May at the Pacific Athletic [Something]. Amongst the crowd of men gathered at the entrance we can see a tall man with a waist-apron, a mustache, and a chain of some sort. Him and the man to his right can be seen inside of the saloon. On this side there is writing (in two hands) that reads "LA Calif 1907." It appears to be in pencil.
Ebay







The interior.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/923/ek2lqS.jpg
Ebay


The interior shows a fairly nice bar. It proclaims "Positively No Credit." There are several ads and signs for drinks. They include: Export Pony Rye and Dr. Pepper (of all things).
Also, several men from the other photograph are included in this one. Overall, it's a rich little scene, well-developed and packed to the gills with details.

Presumably these photos were taken very close together. They also both feature the same man with a mustache, which definitely connects these two photos.



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ethereal_reality Jun 24, 2019 10:25 PM

:previous:

SUPER SIZED

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/922/9hhHEh.jpg

There appears to be residences on the next block behind the saloon. (right edge of photo) - - - >




And here's the poster you can see in the window of the laundry business, far left.

I believe it is advertising a play, titled....ummm... Battling... something. (?)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/7JAra8.jpg
DETAIL / 1907

I've stared at this thing long enough. Can anyone else figure out what it says?





SUPER SIZED INTERIOR

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/924/pFaRkk.jpg

spittoons and tobacco spit...spread around by shoes. :yuck:

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HossC Jun 24, 2019 10:52 PM

:previous:

The 1902 CD lists the Model Hand Laundry at 509 Ceres Avenue, which means that 507 was Ravera & Viotto's saloon/wine & liquor wholesale business at 507 Ceres Avenue.

Noir_Noir Jun 25, 2019 12:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 8614830)
:previous:

The 1902 CD lists the Model Hand Laundry at 509 Ceres Avenue, which means that 507 was Ravera & Viotto's saloon/wine & liquor wholesale business at 507 Ceres Avenue.



By 1907 it was John M. Miller's Saloon.


https://i.imgur.com/KnBjbMZ.jpg
rescarta.lapl.org


If the picture is from 1908/09, which is a possibility, the bar's proprietor was Herman M. Claussen.



The poster appears to be promoting a boxing match of lightweight "Battling Nelson" (Oscar Mattheus Nielsen)

https://i.imgur.com/R02ObYI.jpg
boxrec.com


He boxed three times in Los Angeles according to his fight record. All three bouts were at the Pacific Athletic Club Pavilion (Naud Junction Pavilion).

February 4th 1908 - lost to Rudy Unholz.

March 3rd 1908 - drew with Jimmy Britt.

July 13th 1909 - lost to Ad Wolgast.

Mstimc Jun 25, 2019 1:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 8614753)
It requires assembly....looked kind of difficult.

Weren't these things made of cardboard? Note the reference to "sturdy 200lb. test material".

odinthor Jun 25, 2019 5:36 AM

Speaking of 507 Ceres Avenue . . .


https://i.postimg.cc/rydtS6NV/507-Ceres11-28-99.jpg
LA Times of 11/28/1899, via ProQuest via CSULB Library

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https://i.postimg.cc/zXKbcnQ4/507-Ceres-Her7-26-03.jpg
LA Herald of 7/26/1903 via UCR Center for Bibliographical Studies and Research

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https://i.postimg.cc/52JYdXdy/507-Ceres-Her2-2-18.jpg
LA Herald of 2/2/1918 via UCR Center for Bibliographical Studies and Research

ethereal_reality Jun 25, 2019 6:21 PM

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/9hhHEh.jpg
Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 8614830)
The 1902 CD lists the Model Hand Laundry at 509 Ceres Avenue, which means that 507 was Ravera & Viotto's saloon/wine & liquor wholesale business at 507 Ceres Avenue.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noir_Noir (Post 8614903)
By 1907 it was John M. Miller's Saloon.

https://i.imgur.com/KnBjbMZ.jpg
rescarta.lapl.org

If the picture is from 1908/09, which is a possibility, the bar's proprietor was Herman M. Claussen.

Excellent! Thanks Hoss & Noir Noir.






I asked if anyone could decipher this poster.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...922/7715pO.jpg
DETAIL / from the above photo.

Sure enough! Noir Noir comes to the rescue.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Noir Noir
The poster appears to be promoting a boxing match of lightweight "Battling Nelson" (Oscar Mattheus Nielsen)

https://i.imgur.com/R02ObYI.jpg
boxrec.com


He boxed three times in Los Angeles according to his fight record.
All three bouts were at the Pacific Athletic Club Pavilion (Naud Junction Pavilion).

February 4th 1908 - lost to Rudy Unholz.

March 3rd 1908 - drew with Jimmy Britt.


Battling Nelson
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...923/Xi6Wc1.jpg
josports

History: On February 4, 1908 at Naud Junction Pavilion in Los Angeles lightweights Battling Nelson and Rudy Unholz fought in the main event.
Unholz prevailed winning a ten round decision. Under the city ordinance, no decision could be given. <- - -Huh? :shrug:

Price: $235.00





I found an interesting tidbit in his book, Battling Nelson, in his own words.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/yUTGLi.jpg
google_books


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...921/HpWiZS.jpg

I searched everywhere for more information on Barney Bloom's Turkish Baths [on Third st] but kept running into dead ends.






That is, UNTIL....I searched under "baths" and found Bloom spelled Blum.

Aha!
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...924/myifoy.jpg
lapl / 1906 city directory.



but I can't figure out the address because of the weird way the 1906 directory is laid out.


Here is the complete page.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/dIDpPg.jpg
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/zLyL8b.jpg

Is this the Third st. address (as mentioned in Nelson's book)...or a different address? (note: it's listed under SOUTH SIDE)


Fnarf Jun 25, 2019 6:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8614808)
:previous:

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/924/pFaRkk.jpg

spittoons and tobacco spit...spread around by shoes. :yuck:

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Unless this is one of those pissoir troughs previously mentioned here.

A few very divey, men-only pulquerias in Mexico City had open urine troughs along the base of the bar until very recently, possibly even still. So convenient! So gross!

ethereal_reality Jun 25, 2019 6:31 PM

. . .so how was the fountain pen going to help?
Quote:

Originally Posted by odinthor
https://i.postimg.cc/52JYdXdy/507-Ceres-Her2-2-18.jpg
LA Herald of 2/2/1918 via UCR Center for Bibliographical Studies and Research

Tony Mussel is the perfect name for a bartender.

Thanks for the info. odinthor. I appreciate it.


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CityBoyDoug Jun 25, 2019 9:38 PM

Mystery corner.... 54100 W. Sunset. Cross street?

https://66.media.tumblr.com/4887368d...xa0o1_1280.jpg
MSF

HossC Jun 25, 2019 10:35 PM

:previous:

It's N Western Avenue at Sunset, so the sign actually says "Sunset Blvd 5400 W". Here's a later (1979) shot from a different angle. It looks like the Village Cafe is still on the corner.

https://i809.photobucket.com/albums/...etWestern1.jpg
LAPL

CityBoyDoug Jun 25, 2019 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 8615968)
:previous:
It's N Western Avenue at Sunset, so the sign actually says "Sunset Blvd 5400 W". Here's a later (1979) shot from a different angle. It looks like the Village Cafe is still on the corner.

Hey cool Hoss.....that's about the time I lived on Santa Monica Blvd. in Hollywood.
Thank you. and for the correction of the number... :D:cheers::tup:

Godzilla Jun 26, 2019 1:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 8615974)
Hey cool Hoss.....that's about the time I lived on Santa Monica Blvd. in Hollywood.

Thank you. and for the correction of the number... :D:cheers::tup:


Back in 2012, when dinosaurs were still traversing the area, :banaride:

that photo provoked some other images of the immediate vicinity. ;) See, e.g., http://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5681159&postcount=7527


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