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Randomguy34 Nov 13, 2020 12:08 AM

Here's the Youtube livestream for folks to watch and ask questions: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3wBKFIM8j4

Ricochet48 Nov 13, 2020 1:25 AM

So who on here was asking about the height increases and landmark towers haha

BVictor1 Nov 13, 2020 1:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Ricochet48 (Post 9104964)
So who on here was asking about the height increases and landmark towers haha

Me...


Here are some notes:

North Union Community Meeting (11/12/20)


878 N. Wells - 21 story building (389 units) - 256’ - 200 parking

920 N. Wells - 15 story building (186 units) - 155’ - 90 parking

909 N. Franklin - 12 story building (100 units) - 161’ - 100 parking

205 W. Oak - 42 story building (340 units) - 509’ - 324 parking - rental/condo?

312 W. Walton - 30 story building (340 units) - 312’ - 212 parking

310 W. Oak - 47 story building (508 units) - 512’ - 583 parking

300 W. Oak - 55 story building (633 units) - 630’


- Repurposing older buildings

- DX-5 not changing the underlying zoning of expanded downtown area

- Goettsch Partners as a design partner

- Open space will be privately owned/maintained but open to the public

- Gonna used dead end Wendell Street for ingress/egress of taller towers

- $20,000,000 in annual taxes per year

- 400 permanent jobs

- LEED neighborhood development

- permeable paving for alleys

- $21,000,000 into affordable housing fund

- $21,000,000 neighborhood opportunity

- 236 affordable units on site and evenly distributed amongst unit types

- Approximately $1,300,000,000

rgarri4 Nov 13, 2020 2:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Ricochet48 (Post 9104964)
So who on here was asking about the height increases and landmark towers haha

Haha. When she read those I was like it's definitely someone from here.

Barrelfish Nov 13, 2020 8:24 PM

I loved pretty much everything about that presentation. Very thoughtful all around. It's a great sign when the toughest questions they didn't already have a plan for were "can you build a temporary dog park earlier" and "where will Walter Payton students play soccer".

Let's hope they get funded and it becomes real ASAP.

ChiTownWonder Nov 15, 2020 8:02 AM

Hope everyone has a great day :)

RedCorsair87 Nov 16, 2020 7:59 PM

Some improved photos:

https://chicagoyimby.com/2020/11/jdl...orth-side.html

IrishIllini Dec 10, 2020 6:09 PM

Surprised there's no mention of reestablishing the elusive Division brown and purple lines station. Definitely more justified than rebuilding the Halsted green and pink lines station.

Randomguy34 Dec 10, 2020 6:42 PM

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Originally Posted by IrishIllini (Post 9130037)
Surprised there's no mention of reestablishing the elusive Division brown and purple lines station. Definitely more justified than rebuilding the Halsted green and pink lines station.

Reestablishing the Division stop was mentioned at the meeting. The CTA's reasoning for not doing so is that the Brown/Purple lines are already overloaded by the time they get to Sedgewick. So until they can run at increased frequencies, likely not until the Belmont flyover is finished, the Division stop will not be reopened.

ardecila Dec 10, 2020 7:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Randomguy34 (Post 9130083)
Reestablishing the Division stop was mentioned at the meeting. The CTA's reasoning for not doing so is that the Brown/Purple lines are already overloaded by the time they get to Sedgewick. So until they can run at increased frequencies, likely not until the Belmont flyover is finished, the Division stop will not be reopened.

The Belmont flyover will be open next year (although the mainline rebuild will stretch out another few years) so if that truly is the constraining factor then CTA should feel free to start planning for a Division stop. These new stops take years to plan, design, and fund.

However, I believe the benefits of Belmont flyover will accrue mainly to Red Line trains. Brown and Purple are limited by the number of slots in the Loop, not necessarily by conflicts at Clark Junction. CTA has obscured this fact, because they have tried to build the strongest possible case for Federal support and because the Lakeview residents impacted by the project are more partial to Brown Line service than Red Line service (Becky: "ew, the Red Line?!") The only way I see to increase service on Brown Line is to disentangle it with the Purple Line and take over those slots in the Loop, which means eliminating the Purple stops at Wellington, Diversey and Armitage and sending the Purple Line into the subway.

Long story short, if CTA is looking for additional capacity on Brown in order to build the Division stop then we might be waiting a very long time.

gebs Dec 10, 2020 7:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ardecila (Post 9130116)
The only way I see to increase service on Brown Line is to disentangle it with the Purple Line and take over those slots in the Loop, which means eliminating the Purple stops at Wellington, Diversey and Armitage and sending the Purple Line into the subway.

This will forever fix one big problem with the movie High Fidelity.

ChiPlanner Dec 10, 2020 8:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ardecila (Post 9130116)
The only way I see to increase service on Brown Line is to disentangle it with the Purple Line and take over those slots in the Loop, which means eliminating the Purple stops at Wellington, Diversey and Armitage and sending the Purple Line into the subway.


Long story short, if CTA is looking for additional capacity on Brown in order to build the Division stop then we might be waiting a very long time.

Aka whenever they get serious about a circle line again, which likely won't happen till after:
  • Red Line Extension
  • Loop Station rebuilds
  • Maybe even brown line extension to Jeff Park
  • BRT of any kind (Ashland/Western still looking at you)
  • Silver/Grey Line (Metra Electric)

Not to mention the completion of the flyover/RPM in Edgewater/Uptown

Randomguy34 Dec 10, 2020 8:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ardecila (Post 9130116)
However, I believe the benefits of Belmont flyover will accrue mainly to Red Line trains. Brown and Purple are limited by the number of slots in the Loop, not necessarily by conflicts at Clark Junction. CTA has obscured this fact, because they have tried to build the strongest possible case for Federal support and because the Lakeview residents impacted by the project are more partial to Brown Line service than Red Line service (Becky: "ew, the Red Line?!") The only way I see to increase service on Brown Line is to disentangle it with the Purple Line and take over those slots in the Loop, which means eliminating the Purple stops at Wellington, Diversey and Armitage and sending the Purple Line into the subway.

Another cost effective option is to make the "Brownage" trains, which travel from Kimball to Midway through the Loop during rush hour, an official CTA line. The Brown Line is already capacity constrained at Kimball Yards, so running additional trains would require either a new multi-million dollar yard and several building demolitions in the vicinity or using the Orange Line's extra capacity at Midway. The NYC subway does something similar with the 5, B, & W train during rush hour

GreatLakesPrintShop Dec 10, 2020 8:53 PM

[QUOTE=ChiPlanner;9130187]Aka whenever they get serious about a circle line again, which likely won't happen till after:

New here...

What is the Circle Line exactly? :help:

IrishIllini Dec 10, 2020 9:09 PM

[QUOTE=GreatLakesPrintShop;9130233]
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Originally Posted by ChiPlanner (Post 9130187)
Aka whenever they get serious about a circle line again, which likely won't happen till after:

New here...

What is the Circle Line exactly? :help:

An unnecessary outer loop of CTA rail service.

https://www.chicago-l.org/plans/imag...outingPlan.jpg

Bonsai Tree Dec 10, 2020 10:04 PM

[QUOTE=IrishIllini;9130251]
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Originally Posted by GreatLakesPrintShop (Post 9130233)

An unnecessary outer loop of CTA rail service.

https://www.chicago-l.org/plans/imag...outingPlan.jpg

^^Is that a joke? It's completely necessary and will elevate our transit system to the next level. Even if a circle line is never built a loop connector would work just as well.

IrishIllini Dec 10, 2020 10:32 PM

[QUOTE=Bonsai Tree;9130330]
Quote:

Originally Posted by IrishIllini (Post 9130251)

^^Is that a joke? It's completely necessary and will elevate our transit system to the next level. Even if a circle line is never built a loop connector would work just as well.

The connector would be miles better coupled with BRT on Ashland or rail service on Western.

scruffytraveller Jan 12, 2021 5:49 AM

nice infrastructure built all over the place

Randomguy34 Mar 6, 2021 8:26 PM

Another meeting is planned for March 24th at 6pm. Here's the registration link: https://cityofchicago-org.zoom.us/we...SxeDnx9EjUMrBw

Randomguy34 Mar 19, 2021 8:03 PM

Zoning app is online and there are a bunch of interesting tidbits: https://chicago.legistar.com/Legisla...vanced&Search=

- Unit increase to 2,656 units, parking ratio will be about 50%

- Another 1,372 units will be reserved for future development on the rest of Moody's campus. So, the zoning app is requesting a total of 4,028 units.

- Max building height increased to 695 ft (BVictor1, you got your wish)

- A combination of 491 on/off-site affordable units


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