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ethereal_reality Jun 25, 2022 4:53 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9657644)
What in the sam hell is a "Spizzerinkum"? :shrug:

Are the origins Yiddish?


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/3...922/wKwPLR.jpg


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...922/sGRjTf.jpg
detail

Complete photograph Here


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fullpower Jun 25, 2022 6:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by unihikid (Post 9655488)
I'm pretty sure that's Baldwin Hills and the Heinz 57 logo helps. There's a guy on YouTube who i subscribe to that does then and now shots of "Our Gang". Most of the filming was done in Culver City (home of Hal Roach Studios) , and you can tell HR loved filming on certain streets (Woodbine, Motor and Mentone) for all of his films. It's great to see the area before the freeway and development.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYjdz6CUnoA
Chris Bungo Studios

Looks like that is the area of the Hal Roach Studios Backlot. I grew up not far from there near Helms Bakery. My aunt and uncle lived on the other side of the studio near the RKO Backlot. that view is etched into my memory. I remember the 57 and there was also some letters on the hill under Loyola Marymount near Jefferson and Centinela.

BillinGlendaleCA Jun 27, 2022 6:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mackerm (Post 9658676)
It's the Santa Barbara county courthouse. :bash:

Yup, I've shot there. The top of the tower has a great view of the entire city.

riichkay Jun 27, 2022 7:04 PM

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds
pixels.com

As per the website: "This photograph was taken on Tahunga Boulevard in Burbank, California in 1957".....I'm going to respectfully disagree, this looks like mid-Wilshire to me.



Another from the same site, also dated 1957.....

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds

.....a T-Bird approaching Sunset Bl. in Beverly Hills.

fullpower Jun 27, 2022 7:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by riichkay (Post 9661269)
https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds
pixels.com

As per the website: "This photograph was taken on Tahunga Boulevard in Burbank, California in 1957".....I'm going to respectfully disagree, this looks like mid-Wilshire to me.



Another from the same site, also dated 1957.....

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds

.....a T-Bird approaching Sunset Bl. in Beverly Hills.

my guess for the first one is Mariposa and 4th or 5th looking south at Wilshire in the distance

Snix Jun 27, 2022 8:14 PM

There is a great blacksmith shop functioning at Rancho Los Alamitos in Long Beach. In addition to supporting the barn, they repair and manufacture new iron work for the house.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...88b470bc_b.jpg
Photo: Facebook
https://www.facebook.com/RanchoLosAl...57051615548527

HossC Jun 27, 2022 9:20 PM

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Originally Posted by riichkay (Post 9661269)

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds
pixels.com

As per the website: "This photograph was taken on Tahunga Boulevard in Burbank, California in 1957".....I'm going to respectfully disagree, this looks like mid-Wilshire to me.

Quote:

Originally Posted by fullpower (Post 9661277)

my guess for the first one is Mariposa and 4th or 5th looking south at Wilshire in the distance

This is S Mariposa Avenue just south of W 3rd Street. The building on the left is the Monticello at 320 S Mariposa Avenue.

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...AMariposa1.jpg
GSV

sadykadie2 Jun 28, 2022 5:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lwize (Post 9659479)
Where have all the blacksmiths gone?

Gone to I.T everyone. when will they ever learn? When will they ever learn?:haha:

Mackerm Jun 28, 2022 5:33 AM

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When I saw Snix' post about Rancho Los Alamitos, I immediately thought about the race track. I assume they use some high tech incarnation of blacksmiths to fit shoes for thoroughbreds. Do they still have someone banging on an anvil with a sledgehammer?

OJC1927 Jun 28, 2022 7:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 9540291)
Maybe "K" is someone from "The Shadow." Wasn't that a radio series, or movie serial, at that time?

"D" is Ann Sheridan.

OJC1927 Jun 28, 2022 7:20 AM

"D" is Ann Sheridan.

HossC Jun 28, 2022 5:55 PM

:previous:

I believe the post above is a reference to e_r's picture posted back in February this year.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9533559)

Ann Sheridan was also riichkay's guess two posts below the original picture.

Quote:

Originally Posted by riichkay (Post 9533633)

"I" is William Bendix

"Q" is Richard Widmark

After that I'm not sure..."E" could be Cagney...."D" is maybe Ann Sheridan...

"G"...George Saunders?

There are other guesses/identifications in later posts, e.g.

Quote:

Originally Posted by riichkay (Post 9540449)

Scratch "J" off the unknown list, e_r's guess of Maureen O'Hara is spot-on....

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds


ethereal_reality Jun 28, 2022 9:19 PM

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:previous:...Thanks Hoss. You beat me to it.

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CaliNative Jun 28, 2022 9:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by riichkay (Post 9661269)

As per the website: "This photograph was taken on Tahunga Boulevard in Burbank, California in 1957".....I'm going to respectfully disagree, this looks like mid-Wilshire to me.

:previous:
Agree it is prob. not Burbank. Plus Tuhunga Blvd. is in NoHo, not Burbank. I lived near that area when I was a kid, so I know it well. Everything from Cahuenga to Colfax was my old 'hood. Went to Reed Jr. High and NoHo high back in the '60s.

At Walter Reed JH, I vividly remember the awful day that JFK died. They put out the news on the intercom in the classrooms right before lunch, and shortly therafter they lowered the flag to half staff & played "Taps" on the loudspeakers and then let all the students go home. When I got home on the bus, I remember seeing my mom on the sofa watching the news coverage. She had been crying. She was a JFK fan and worked in his 1960 campaign. I also remember watching on Sat. morning when Oswald was being transferred and was shockingly shot by Jack Ruby. Even then we thought it was a setup to quiet Oswald from ratting on his associates. Most people didn't think he acted alone.

Anybody remember Mr. Corbin the Physics teacher at NoHo high? Great teacher, as was Mr. Kennedy in biology, Mr. Doucette in English and Lyle T. Wolf, excellent History and Social Studies teacher. Reminded me of Jonathan Winters. Funny guy, great teach. After he retired he moved to Vermont with his wife and ran a B&B inn. Like Newhart in that TV show, but earlier. He died just a few years ago. RIP Lyle. I'll be up there soon enough. Buy you a drink if they serve them up there. Say "hello" to God and tell him to stop this stupid war in Ukraine :wiseman:

Flyingwedge Jun 29, 2022 4:58 AM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9659863)


Spizzerinctum, in one spelling or another, pops up in articles at Newspaper.com as far back as the late 1850s. This article says it's American slang, possibly
derived from the Latin specie rectum: https://www.rutlandherald.com/news/s...808c5ff65.html


There is something in Mr. Misemer's driveway (lower right) at 5347 Loma Linda Avenue (BP says 5345) in Hollywood -- maybe it's the Spizzerinkum car:

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag..._-_1024(1).jpg
https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag..._-_1024(1).jpg

March 27, 1914, Hollywood Citizen @ Newspapers.com


Mr. Misemer encountered some misfortune in late 1913:

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag..._-_Misemer.jpg

December 23, 1913, Los Angeles Evening Express @ Newspapers.com

ethereal_reality Jun 29, 2022 5:00 AM

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THANKS Flyingwedge!




Found on eBay


"1942 East LA Los Angeles California Rio Grande Market"

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/sn0O7r.jpg
eBay



I was able to locate the address in the 1956 directory

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...924/LSBBIs.jpg
LAPL





Believe it or not, the building (or what's left of it) is still standing at the north end of Bunker Hill Ave!

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/VniSef.jpg

You can check it out for yourself, Here




Lastly, here's an aerial view.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/p5mZnA.jpg
google-earth


As you can see, large apartments buildings are sprouting up all around it. I imagine this mostly empty lot will be a construction site in the near future.


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ethereal_reality Jun 29, 2022 5:31 AM

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Here's another interesting photograph that caught my eye.



"RPPC Los Angeles CA DeLuxe Transfer Co. Truck Figueroa Street 1910s"

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/4gWXSV.jpg
eBay


There's a slight chance that we may be able to figure out where the photograph was taken because if you look closely on the left there is a building that appears to have a name on the roof.


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...924/fHlJxv.jpg
detail


Of course the photograph may have been taken in front of the transfer company at 910-59(?) Figueroa Street.

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CaliNative Jun 29, 2022 7:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9662559)
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:previous:...Thanks Hoss. You beat me to it.

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:previous:
Maybe this has already been mentioned, but I believe "G" is William Demerast, not George Saunders. Demerast capped his career playing the gruff housekeeper in "My 3 Sons" after William "Bubb" Frawley died or retired.

CaliNative Jun 29, 2022 7:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9662936)

Of course the photograph may have been taken in front of the transfer company at 910-59(?) Figueroa Street.

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:previous:
Could the "59" actually be So. (910 South Figueroa)?

Look at the characters in the back of the truck! All interesting faces. Maybe people had more individual character back then, before mass communication made us tend to mimic our favorite celebrities knowingly or unknowingly. I also believe states and cities and regional accents were also more distinct back then. Now we are merging into a uniculture. I actually heard somebody in Maine say a Texas style "Y'all" to a group of people. Of course, maybe it was a tourist from Texas. But the point is valid. The "Down East" Maine accent is not as pronounced as it used to be. Southern regional accents are toned down. In 100 years, everybody will talk like midwesterners. Ohio will be the standard.

Noir_Noir Jun 29, 2022 3:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9662919)
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Found on eBay


"1942 East LA Los Angeles California Rio Grande Market"

https://i.imgur.com/4Ttw0Am.jpg


This place started off life as a 1½ story dwelling at 339 S. Wall Street.


It was moved to 628 New Depot Street in 1913.


https://i.imgur.com/kCSjRVV.jpg
ladbsdoc.lacity.org


In 1922 the house was jacked ten feet in the air and a store was built under it.


https://i.imgur.com/hlIK5BH.jpg
ladbsdoc.lacity.org


In 1964 the original dwelling part was loped off the top.


https://i.imgur.com/mICkkav.jpg
ladbsdoc.lacity.org

Martin Pal Jun 29, 2022 4:52 PM

HossC, thanks for locating where that photo was taken! I gave it a try for awhile.

Quote:

Originally Posted by riichkay (Post 9661269)
As per the website: "This photograph was taken on Tahunga Boulevard in Burbank, California in 1957".....I'm going to respectfully disagree, this looks like mid-Wilshire to me.
_________________________________________________________________

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaliNative (Post 9662567)
:previous:
Agree it is prob. not Burbank. Plus Tuhunga Blvd. is in NoHo, not Burbank.
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You say Tahunga, I say Tuhunga...

Actually the street in NoHo is Tujunga "Ave." (Original post in question has "Boulevard.) And while I was looking yesterday, there actually is a Tujunga Ave. in Burbank.

https://www.google.com/maps/vt/data=...Anrh1Y_khzNILJ

Or, more precisely, E. Tujunga Ave.

ethereal_reality Jun 29, 2022 4:55 PM

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I should have questioned why the market/house structure looked so odd. Your findings explain it all. Thanks Noir Noir.
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ethereal_reality Jun 29, 2022 5:13 PM

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Like the truck full of men, the following photograph involves Figueroa Street.


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...922/xlux97.jpg

As you can see it's listed on eBay backwards so let's flip it and take a closer look.


I tried to adjust the contrast to no avail. (but I was able to lighten it)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...923/IyInOs.jpg
eBay



The writing on the reverse is what makes this photograph especially interesting.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...924/Wr7gf0.jpg


For search purposes:...Ray McClain(?) - 1927 - 5927 Figueroa Street - Los Angeles, California

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ethereal_reality Jun 29, 2022 6:02 PM

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This next photograph should get the attention of our railway experts.

"Original California Southern Railroad train Circa 1890s"...$90.00

Repeat after me:...IGNORE THE COIN.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/pCb7Yg.jpg

All kinds of questions come to mind:..

Does the dirt road lead up to a house? - -was the photograph taken from the house? (which would be behind the photographer)

Are the wooden(?) things on the right for grape vines?

Does the area look familiar to anyone? :shrug:






If you look closely at the train it appears to be traveling at a pretty good clip!

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/fAoeBA.jpg

Would this type of train be considered an Interurban? (I remember reading that interurbans in Illinois traveled quite fast)


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Martin Pal Jun 29, 2022 6:36 PM

New video on youtube:
Los Angeles 1960s, Sunset Strip at Night
(4K 60fps, added sound w/ color remaster)

I posted some of the following in the comment section: Besides the last 40 seconds, this footage appears to have been filmed as three separate trips from east to west down the Sunset Strip from approximately La Cienega to Doheny--once centered straight on, the 2nd toward the right and the 3rd toward the left, each about 2 1/2 mins.; possibly filmed as background to be seen out of the interior of a car in a film or TV production.

The footage was filmed in January of 1966. (The footage goes by The Trip where it shows Wilson Pickett appearing. His engagement there was from January 17-30, 1966.)
Later that year Ed Ruscha would be photographing "every building on the Sunset Strip."

The Battle of the Bulge billboard seen below is at Sunset and Holloway. The film premiered and opened at the Cinerama Dome on Dec. 16, 1965, which happened to be the 21st Anniversary of the titular battle. (21 years ago from now we experienced 9/11.)

Video Link

riichkay Jun 29, 2022 7:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9662919)
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THANKS Flyingwedge!




Found on eBay


"1942 East LA Los Angeles California Rio Grande Market"

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/sn0O7r.jpg
eBay



I was able to locate the address in the 1956 directory

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...924/LSBBIs.jpg
LAPL





Believe it or not, the building (or what's left of it) is still standing at the north end of Bunker Hill Ave!

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/VniSef.jpg

You can check it out for yourself, Here




Lastly, here's an aerial view.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/p5mZnA.jpg
google-earth


As you can see, large apartments buildings are sprouting up all around it. I imagine this mostly empty lot will be a construction site in the near future.


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Well, scratch another "mystery location" off the list....last year I posted this photo here....https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...73#post9414473


https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...720&fit=bounds

Martin Pal Jun 30, 2022 2:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by riichkay (Post 9661269)
https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds
pixels.com

As per the website: "This photograph was taken on Tahunga Boulevard in Burbank, California in 1957".....I'm going to respectfully disagree, this looks like mid-Wilshire to me.
_________________________________________________________________

As Fullpower and HossC indicated:

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 9661425)
This is S. Mariposa Avenue just south of W. 3rd Street. The building on the left is the Monticello at 320 S Mariposa Avenue.
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I wrote to Matt Oaks, the person who had the photo on the website riichkay found it on and told him where the location of the photo is/was.

He replied, "Thanks so much, I appreciate that. I was with my Dad when
he took the picture. I was 5 and my dad frequently drove around to take
pictures. I don't believe we knew anyone at that location. I thought it was
in Burbank because that's where my sister lived. I will correct the information.
Thanks again! Matt

riichkay Jun 30, 2022 6:05 AM

Great work, Martin Pal....how many of these misidentifications have been corrected due to you reaching out to the posters?.....Gary Winogrand's "Sailor in the Mist" walking over the bridge, Robby Muller's green building that turned out to be in Austin, where you got to his widow, and this one come to mind.....thanks for taking the time to contact these folks.

I knew the Oak's photo i.d. was off right away (well, to be fair we all knew), it could not have been Burbank.....it's a good picture, and the other one with the convertible T-Bird in Beverly Hills approaching Sunset is also nicely composed....these must be slides, the resolution is so good....

Matt Oaks says his father was an avid photographer, maybe he has some others of the city that were not posted on that site....we would love to see them!

Mackerm Jun 30, 2022 7:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9662936)
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There's a slight chance that we may be able to figure out where the photograph was taken because if you look closely on the left there is a building that appears to have a name on the roof.


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...924/fHlJxv.jpg
detail


Of course the photograph may have been taken in front of the transfer company at 910-59(?) Figueroa Street.

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https://i.postimg.cc/PqYFWCXz/Figueroa_and_9th.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/vZQ7mXDs/Deluxe_Transfer.png
USC Digital Library

Nope, most likely another satisfied customer of Deluxe Transfer. The paint store in the photo is now the Original Pantry.

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Originally Posted by riichkay (Post 9661269)
Another from the same site, also dated 1957.....

https://hosting.photobucket.com/imag...080&fit=bounds

.....a T-Bird approaching Sunset Bl. in Beverly Hills.



https://i.postimg.cc/3R7tQGVS/Doheny_and_Canon.png
Google Street View - Click Me!

Somebody posted a message which has since disappeared identifying the street as Beverly Dr., based on the mix of palms. So 90% of the credit goes to that NLA regular. This view is indeed on Beverly, looking south toward Canon. The most easily identifiable feature is the leaning tree at the corner on the left above the Thunderbird. The tree is gone after 2011. Columbo is parked by a path leading to Will Rogers Park. In the oldest GSV view, the pilasters on the left aren't hidden by a hedge. Lax Code enforcement, no doubt.

CaliNative Jun 30, 2022 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 9663243)
HossC, thanks for locating where that photo was taken! I gave it a try for awhile.






You say Tahunga, I say Tuhunga...

Actually the street in NoHo is Tujunga "Ave." (Original post in question has "Boulevard.) And while I was looking yesterday, there actually is a Tujunga Ave. in Burbank.

https://www.google.com/maps/vt/data=...Anrh1Y_khzNILJ

Or, more precisely, E. Tujunga Ave.

I didn't know Burbank had a Tujunga. I stand corrected.

WS1911 Jun 30, 2022 5:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9663332)
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This next photograph should get the attention of our railway experts.

"Original California Southern Railroad train Circa 1890s"...$90.00

Repeat after me:...IGNORE THE COIN.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/pCb7Yg.jpg

All kinds of questions come to mind:..

Does the dirt road lead up to a house? - -was the photograph taken from the house? (which would be behind the photographer)

Are the wooden(?) things on the right for grape vines?

Does the area look familiar to anyone? :shrug:






If you look closely at the train it appears to be traveling at a pretty good clip!

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/fAoeBA.jpg

Would this type of train be considered an Interurban? (I remember reading that interurbans in Illinois traveled quite fast)


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I think the locomotive and car belong to the Cahuenga Valley Railroad.

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HossC Jun 30, 2022 7:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by riichkay (Post 9663984)

Great work, Martin Pal....how many of these misidentifications have been corrected due to you reaching out to the posters?...

I've corrected or expanded descriptions of many USC images over the years, and they've always been very grateful. Sadly, I have to admit that I rarely visit their site since they "improved" it. I now find it harder to search and harder to get to the brilliant hi-res images they have. I know it says to email the admin to get access, but access just used to be there.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mackerm (Post 9664016)

Columbo is parked by a path leading to Will Rogers Park.

I thought the same thing when I saw this gray Peugeot 403 back in 2014. The original full image is now missing, and the link no longer works, but it was taken on Bunker Hill if my memory's correct.

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 6414476)

While going back to look at the original Corvette picture, I spotted a car I'd missed in one of FredH's other photos. At first I thought Lt. Columbo was parked up on the left, but closer inspection showed a roof rack, so it couldn't be his Peugeot 403 convertible :).

http://i809.photobucket.com/albums/z...Peugeot403.jpg
Detail of picture above.


Martin Pal Jun 30, 2022 7:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by riichkay (Post 9663984)
Great work, Martin Pal....how many of these misidentifications have been corrected due to you reaching out to the posters?.....Gary Winogrand's "Sailor in the Mist" walking over the bridge, Robby Muller's green building that turned out to be in Austin, where you got to his widow, and this one come to mind.....thanks for taking the time to contact these folks.

I knew the Oak's photo i.d. was off right away (well, to be fair we all knew), it could not have been Burbank.....it's a good picture, and the other one with the convertible T-Bird in Beverly Hills approaching Sunset is also nicely composed....these must be slides, the resolution is so good....

Matt Oaks says his father was an avid photographer, maybe he has some others of the city that were not posted on that site....we would love to see them!
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Thanks, riichkay! If the eBay links are still active on photos that NLA-ers have found the locations to, or corrected mis-identified photos (like the recent Santa Barbara courthouse photo) I have often sent them an email with the info, corrected or established. As HossC mentioned, I also have found that people who have these photos, or are trying to sell them, appreciate the correct information.

I guess it wouldn't hurt to ask Mr. Oaks if he has any other photos like those two that he might be willing to share with us. See what he says...!

rick m Jun 30, 2022 11:12 PM

How about this being Lucky Baldwins rancho? -- he had similar railcars on his line too---and those mountains certainly could be due north of his fields and orchards...

CaliNative Jul 3, 2022 9:15 AM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9663277)
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Like the truck full of men, the following photograph involves Figueroa Street.


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...923/IyInOs.jpg
eBay

:previous:
Did early Coca Cola actually have cocaine in it, or is that an urban myth? Apparently cocaine was legal before the 1900s-1920s, as were other drugs.The Pure Food and Drug Act in the 1900s regulated and prohibited some additives, including addictive opiates. Not sure about cocaine though.

HossC Jul 3, 2022 12:40 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CaliNative (Post 9666270)

Did early Coca Cola actually have cocaine in it, or is that an urban myth?

I thought I'd read that it was an urban myth (possibly Coca-Cola trying play it down), but a little googling suggests that it's true in that it contained an extract from the coca leaf. In 1903, this extract was removed from the recipe, and by 1929, all coca additives were removed. When they took out the coca, we got extra caffeine and sugar!

Some references:

Coca - museum.dea.gov
The History of Coca-Cola
Was/Is there cocaine in Coca-Cola?

As an aside, €50m worth of cocaine was discovered in a French Coca-Cola plant back in 2016, but this was not destined for the beverage.

odinthor Jul 3, 2022 4:02 PM

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https://i.postimg.cc/BQVXF32V/Coca-C...-1902-2-25.jpg
LA Times, 2/25/1902. (I believe that, in the last paragraph, "cocoa leaf" is a typo for "coca leaf.")

:cheers:

The Women's Christian Temperance Union was alarmed:

https://i.postimg.cc/bw2N2F00/Coca-C...-1904-7-13.jpg
LA Herald, 7/13/1904.

ovens Jul 3, 2022 11:51 PM

Willacre Park in Studio City
 
took a little hike today up into Willacre Park in Studio City --

I wandered a bit off the trail and found this little stack-stone foundation, with some stairs. There was a tree growing behind it -- I assume the tree grew well after the stones were set up. Any thoughts / ideas? Happy 4th ya'll.

Was curious if anyone was aware of a home tract up there?

https://i.imgur.com/QxZwbtu.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/lBPifHg.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/8xz1yJR.jpg


EXACT LOCATION: 34.13323° N, 118.39315° W

CaliNative Jul 4, 2022 4:57 AM

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Originally Posted by odinthor (Post 9666350)
https://i.postimg.cc/BQVXF32V/Coca-C...-1902-2-25.jpg
LA Times, 2/25/1902. (I believe that, in the last paragraph, "cocoa leaf" is a typo for "coca leaf.")
:cheers:

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Who wants the "real thing", "classic" Coca Cola, pre-1929?

Thanks Hoss & Odinthor for the answers to my query. Cocaine was villified and taken out, but they left the other stimulant caffeine in, or added it when they took out the "coca leaf extract". Odd how some drugs are judged OK but others are banned. I have never tried cocaine (and won't as long as it is illegal) but now that I am older and often tired, I think to myself "I wonder if a bit of cocaine (if it was legal) would give me some energy?" Caffeine doesn't work all that well for me. A cup or two of coffee helps me wake up, but often it leaves me nervous but still tired. Wired and tired. It seems to me that adults should be able to choose their energy source as long as they can do so safely and not harm other people.

I would love to sample some really "classic" coca cola from the old days of noir to see what I am missing if it was re-legalized, perhaps by prescription. Somebody should start a movement to bring back the original (pre 1929) Coca Cola. People were so depressed by the end of "classic Coke" in 1929 that the Great Depression started. Did "classic" coke gave the 1920s its energetic roar? The formulation apparently gave people an energy boost safely. It must have been good, since few stocks did better than Coca Cola from 1910-1929 as sales boomed. Investing in it made baseball player Ty Cobb a millionaire many times over :wiseman:

fullpower Jul 4, 2022 5:07 PM

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Originally Posted by CaliNative (Post 9666765)
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Who wants the "real thing", "classic" Coca Cola, pre-1929?

Thanks Hoss & Odinthor for the answers to my query. Cocaine was villified and taken out, but they left the other stimulant caffeine in, or added it when they took out the "coca leaf extract". Odd how some drugs are judged OK but others are banned. I have never tried cocaine (and won't as long as it is illegal) but now that I am older and often tired, I think to myself "I wonder if a bit of cocaine (if it was legal) would give me some energy?" Caffeine doesn't work all that well for me. A cup or two of coffee helps me wake up, but often it leaves me nervous but still tired. Wired and tired. It seems to me that adults should be able to choose their energy source as long as they can do so safely and not harm other people.

I would love to sample some really "classic" coca cola from the old days of noir to see what I am missing if it was re-legalized, perhaps by prescription. Somebody should start a movement to bring back the original (pre 1929) Coca Cola. People were so depressed by the end of "classic Coke" in 1929 that the Great Depression started. Did "classic" coke gave the 1920s its energetic roar? The formulation apparently gave people an energy boost safely. It must have been good, since few stocks did better than Coca Cola from 1910-1929 as sales boomed. Investing in it made baseball player Ty Cobb a millionaire many times over :wiseman:

Don't get me started about the "pep" in Pepsi.

ethereal_reality Jul 4, 2022 6:29 PM

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Remember this?

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...924/4gWXSV.jpg
Original post HERE



Here's another De Luxe Transfer truck.

"Antique Photo Framed 1914 Los Angeles Moving Transfer Truck Wichita Texas"" 8 x 10

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/924/XzcOj2.jpg

That's a load!

"This item is from a local estate and is an original one of a kind photo. The photo is of a Deluxe Transfer Co. Moving truck loaded up and ready to go. Side panel of the truck has the company located at 910 So. Figures [sic] St. Los Angeles. The front of the truck has "Wichita" across it and the back of the photo says this truck was made in Wichita Falls Texas with the photo being taken in 1914."


The seller's description seems to imply that the photograph was taken in Wichita, Texas. . .but it could have just as easily been taken in Los Angeles. Does anyone recognize the building?



https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/ojywgR.jpg

Hey! He looks like the Coca Cola delivery man.





Here's the word Wichita on the front of the truck.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/3...924/CT2nR5.jpg

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HossC Jul 4, 2022 6:46 PM

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Originally Posted by CaliNative (Post 9666765)

Somebody should start a movement to bring back the original (pre 1929) Coca Cola.

After successfully bidding for Twitter recently, Elon Musk tweeted, “Next I’m buying Coca-Cola to put the cocaine back in”, so maybe your payers will be answered. ;)

BTW. Happy Birthday, e_r. :cheers: :happybirthday:

CaliNative Jul 4, 2022 9:40 PM

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Originally Posted by HossC (Post 9667076)
After successfully bidding for Twitter recently, Elon Musk tweeted, “Next I’m buying Coca-Cola to put the cocaine back in”, so maybe your payers will be answered. ;)

BTW. Happy Birthday, e_r. :cheers: :happybirthday:

Yes, I read that too. Musk certainly has the money. I did a bit of research today. Apparently cocaine and opiates were banned for non medical use in 1914 by the Harrison Act. Maybe one of the articles you linked above mentioned that. I read one, will read the others soon. I found a good article also which I will try to link later. So I guess Coca Cola started removing the "Coca leaf extract" no later than 1914, although one of your articles stated that small traces of cocaine may have remained in Coca Cola until 1929 when purification methods improved. Presumably caffeine was added to replace the coca leaf extract as an energy boost.

The article I found stated that the 1914 Harrison Act had a racist basis, not based on medical evidence. It was asserted by the politicians of the time pushing the ban that blacks and Asians were abusing cocaine and opiates. So they banned them. Pure racism, not based on medical facts. All the evidence that I have seen was that the early Coca Cola with small amounts of cocaine ("coca leaf extract") usually dispensed in drug store soda fountains was harmless, and gave people an energy boost without addicting them. Opiates addict, but apparently cocaine doesn't. Maybe Elon Musk can bring back the "real thing", pre 1914 "classic" Coca Cola :wiseman:

Earl Boebert Jul 5, 2022 3:29 AM

In the 1920s my mother worked as a waitress at a Russian River resort called Lane's Redwood Flat. Coca-Cola used to send "secret shoppers" around to make sure the vendors dispensed a full shot of syrup each order. She said that since the place was way out in the forest and a residence resort, the secret shoppers were not hard to spot. Everybody else got a short squirt -- old man Lane was a notorious skinflint :-)

CaliNative Jul 5, 2022 7:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Earl Boebert (Post 9667550)
In the 1920s my mother worked as a waitress at a Russian River resort called Lane's Redwood Flat. Coca-Cola used to send "secret shoppers" around to make sure the vendors dispensed a full shot of syrup each order. She said that since the place was way out in the forest and a residence resort, the secret shoppers were not hard to spot. Everybody else got a short squirt -- old man Lane was a notorious skinflint :-)

I could see that happening. The crooked merchant who orders his employees to put less expensive coca cola syrup in a serving makes more profits. The only other ingredient would be the soda water and maybe ice. Was sugar added as well by the soda "jerk"? But in the long run customers would realize that they were being cheated, and not patronize the places that served watered down shots of coca cola. Thanks for the interesting story! That is the pleasure of this blog. All these stories from the past from our mothers and fathers, aunts and uncles, grandmothers and grandfathers.. My mother is 101 and still is full of stories from the deep past. She remembers the late 1920s! She saw the Graf Zeppelin pass over L.A. in 1929! Sometime soon I may share some of her stories from the late 1920s, 1930s and forward.

My mother told me a similar story as yours Earl. In 1939 she worked in a Kress drugstore in downtown L.A. as a clerk, and she told me how the soda jerks watered down the Coke, Dr. Pepper, etc. with less syrup per serving. One of the soda jerks was friendly with my mom and he told her about how he was told to use less syrup by his boss. Maybe it was a store by store thing. The companies who made the syrup got back at the drugstores by bottling their drinks with standard syrup amounts. The soda fountains were mostly gone by the 1960s. Cheating customers never works in the long run. In the same Kress, my mom's boss expected her to cut her hair for free. 1939 was still the depression, and employees were still exploited. My mom told me how she found a much better job at Title Insurance, and how she shocked her Kress boss by quitting. War would end the Depression, and the power balance shifted back to the employees now in short supply.

What I find amazing is that apparently nobody has figured out the exact ingredients and proportions in the Coca Cola syrup. In these days of chemical analysis, you think it would have been discovered. I think most people still prefer the taste of Coca Cola to other cola drinks. Put a blindfold on me and I can immediately distinguish Coke from Pepsi. Sorry Joan Crawford, Pepsi owner for a while...Coke tastes better to me. Don't hit me with a coat hanger. I only buy Pepsi when Coke is not an alternative. Now if it only had some "coca leaf extract". Energetic bliss. Elon Musk, do us a favor and buy Coke and get us the "real thing" back :wiseman:

Martin Pal Jul 5, 2022 7:24 PM

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Originally Posted by HossC (Post 9667076)
BTW. Happy Birthday, e_r. :cheers: :happybirthday:
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I concur, Happy Birthday E_R!

ethereal_reality Jul 5, 2022 10:30 PM

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Thanks for the birthday wishes! :)






Here's a mystery location from eBay

"Vtg 1965 Wilshire Blvd Street Los Angeles CA W/ City Bus Old Cars Photo"

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/922/rSthEp.jpg
eBay

So what's going on with that old lamp post?


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ethereal_reality Jul 5, 2022 10:48 PM

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Here's another mystery snapshot; this one taken down in San Pedro.

"1940 Photo San Pedro Mobil Gas Marine Hardware Fishery Supply Warehouse District"

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/eLffBw.jpg
eBay

Do we have any San Pedros (Pedroites?) on the thread who might recognize this area?

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ethereal_reality Jul 5, 2022 11:26 PM

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From a family album.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...923/pvLPlM.jpg
eBay

Mt. Lowe Incline.



When I enlarged the snapshot in order to read the sign I noticed a second sign a bit farther up and tacked to a tree.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/xMLsUp.jpg

The tree sign appears to have a lot of writing on it. I can't imagine what it says.






The tree sign is also visible in this hand-colored slide.... but I don't see the bigger sign.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/xq90/922/a06yto.jpg
eBay

I see the bigger sign!...It appears to have white lettering on a dark background. (opposite of how it looks in the album photo)


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odinthor Jul 6, 2022 4:07 AM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9668396)
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Here's another mystery snapshot; this one taken down in San Pedro.

"1940 Photo San Pedro Mobil Gas Marine Hardware Fishery Supply Warehouse District"

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/eLffBw.jpg
eBay

Do we have any San Pedros (Pedroites?) on the thread who might recognize this area?

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e_r:

https://i.postimg.cc/FRHtkP39/Marine-Hardware-CD46.jpg
San Pedro CD, 1946

Note two addresses, one on Beacon (downtown San Pedro), one on Sardine (could be considered the warehouse district).


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