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Great Noirish tale. I guess this 721 N Alpine Dr in Beverly Hills can't be the one in front of which the acid attack took place...I've looked for any sort of image of the original with no luck. (Two blocks over to the east, another notorious crime took place at the Menedez house, 722 N Elm.) https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/MS...k=w924-h584-noGSV |
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Bernice appears to be trimmed in monkey fur (a topic previously discussed on NLA). Quote:
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A query from the Old Mill Foundation
I wandered off for a couple of days and returned to find such treasures! Thank you in particular FW for the post on Franklin lodgings and the church. Astounding. I've looked at photos of both for more time than I can count and never saw what was right in front of me. A lesson learned. Thanks also for answering odinthor (about the Hollenbeck) and e_r (about the Fort St cut).
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When the Law Building went in, it kept the lower slope, west of the retaining wall that was built, in place until the final, much more radical solution was applied. Compare the ca late 1870s/early 1880s image below with the ca 1891 image above: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/cZ...Y=w574-h480-no usc dl (detail) Today: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/xV...5=w577-h316-no gsv ....................................................... Anyway, like I said, I wrote to the Old Mill Foundation to ask about that spring/fountain/mystery structure on the grounds of the Kewen residence. I sent them your enlargement and the stereoscopic view: Quote:
Here's their reply: "The image is very interesting and we're trying to identify that it really is the Old Mill in the background. Where did you find the picture? Cathy Brown Executive Director, The Old Mill" oldmill@sbcglobal.net Help. Do you want to reply or tell me what to say? I seem to have gotten in over my head again. ....................................................................................... Thank you too PM for the tour instructions. Do you know what the item is on the right?: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/be...5=w602-h278-no google maps |
t2, sorry I didn't have the link up in my earlier post.
You can find the stereo-view with the mystery 'fountain' thingy HERE The stereo-view with the Kewen family can be found HERE both are from the california state library csl catalog the links worked yesterday. not sure why it now says you need a library card #number |
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so let's review: 810 S. Flower was built in 1902. The ad appeared in a 1907 periodical. the date (circled below) https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...922/zmjFI3.jpg california medical and surgical reporter I looked through the periodical and was unable to find a date on the actual document (it's missing the cover). so I don't know where they came up with 1907) but even if the 1907 date is incorrect, it doesn't explain the area where the Pierce Bros. building should be. (unless, of course, the periodically is pre-1902... right?) I didn't solve a damn thing! :brickwall: _________________ update: whoa, I just looked at the large photograph again and noticed the entire curb is also missing on the right side. I change my vote to "painted in". :runaway: |
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Crescent Heights Shopping Center
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The Huntington DL has some good pix of the mill too (by CC Pierce and GW Hazard, among others), including this other one of the mill pond: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pP...k=w796-h456-no hdl cc pierce There's also another family group taken on the balcony. |
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Morris Adobe, c. 1859-1903
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Gonzales might have built the place, but it was NOT Fremont's HQ, though it was widely advertised as such. At far left in the photo above is a Seventh-Day Adventist Church, which is missing from the 1888 Sanborn Map but present on the 1894 Sanborn. Also, the two-story house behind the adobe's left/south side is not on the 1894 Sanborn, so my guess is that photo was taken c. 1900. Carr Street is now 14th Place, perhaps LA's only numbered place that's north of the identically numbered street. Twelfth Street is north of Pico, which is the next street north of 14th Place; I guess when the city renamed Carr Street, no one wanted 13th Street. I think this undated photo (c. 1886?), with no phone line visible, was taken before the next photo: http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...o.png~original SCWHR-P-002.2-0400R @ Seaver Center Maybe 1888?: http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...z.png~original P-010-0117 @ Seaver Center On the 1888 Sanborn, the adobe is at lower right with the angled patio corner that matches the two photos above: http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...j.jpg~original ProQuest via LAPL This one might be c. 1903, after some trees were cut: http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...s.png~original SCWHR-P-005-N0393 @ Seaver Center The adobe is gone from the 1906 Sanborn, but we can see the apartments behind the adobe in the previous photo: http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...j.jpg~original ProQuest via LAPL I believe the flats on the Carr Street side, described in the last sentence below, are what we see at 109-119 Carr on the map above and in the photo immediately above the map. I have no explanation for why the building described below to be built facing Main Street is not on the 1906 Sanborn: http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...u.jpg~original January 15, 1903, Los Angeles Times: @ ProQuest via LAPL The myth that the adobe at Main and Carr was General Fremont's HQ during the Mexican War was dubunked in the obituary of Morritz Morris, who gave his name to the adobe: http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...d.jpg~original July 11, 1903, Los Angeles Times @ ProQuest via LAPL (This is the only source I found that connects Gonzales to the adobe) "Photograph of exterior view of adobe home of Esteban Gonzales, 1886. The structure was built in 1857 by Esteban Gonzales (or Rodriguez) who also made the brick for the house. About 1871 the land was subdivided and known as the Morris Vineyard tract.": http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...z.jpg~original CHS-67 @ USCDL The Morris Vineyard Tract, referenced above, can be seen on Stephenson's 1884 Los Angeles Map. Up by the M in Morris is the corner of Pico and Charity (Grand). Pine Street will become Venice Blvd. The two streets with dotted lines are Main (at right) and Washington (lower left). I don't know when Mr. J. Carr entered the picture, but that's where Carr Street came from: http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...c.jpg~original BigMapBlog Perhaps Carr bought the property from Mr. Morris, who is last at his Main Street adobe in the 1873 LACD: http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...t.jpg~original fold3.com Originally, Morris' property stretched from Main to Charity/Grand and from Pico to Washington. The adobe is in the lower right corner on this 1870 Morris Vineyard map: http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...c.jpg~original 314768 @ Huntington Digital Library Here's the NW corner of Main and 14th Place (ex-Carr Street) in June 2017. I'd seen photos of this adobe before, but I never knew it was the Morris Adobe, so thanks for asking about it ScottyB! |
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behind the 1st English Lutheran Church on the east, was built before the church and would have been seen to the right of the church in the advertisement if it had not been replaced with trees. I can understand, since Pierce Bros. was advertising an ambulance for the living, why it would be undesirable to have their mortuary in the photo. It must have been cheaper to doctor the photo than take another with a more pleasing background. |
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From my notes (L.A. stuff up to about 1870 or 1875): Gonzales, E. February 5, 1859, published (Los Angeles Star): from the Delinquent Tax List of properties threatened with being sold at public auction: “agent—35 acres of land in cultivation on the west side of road to San Pedro, joins on the south with Shaw, and on the north, Washington street." Gonzales, Estevan ca. 1827, born in Texas; 1860, present in L.A. as a farm laborer. Gonzalez, Estefan ca. 1826, born in Texas; 1870, present in L.A. as a farm worker with savings of $300. Rodriguez, Esteban 1853: father or custodian of an unnamed Rodriguez baptized at Mission San Gabriel. Rodriguez, Jose Esteban Trinidad December 26, 1855, born; December 27, 1855, baptized at Plaza church; father, Julian Rodriguez. ___ Estevan Gonzales and Estefan Gonzalez are undoubtedly the same person, and likely are also E. Gonzales. I have no further data on Esteban Rodriguez beyond the above fatherhood or custodianship. He of course can't be the same as Jose Esteban Trinidad Rodriguez, unless the latter was very forward indeed in his development, fathering or custodying children two years before his birth. Sigh, best I can do. :uhh: |
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_________________________________________________ The style of lettering in the Scotty Bowers photo also reminded me of the shops along the Crescent Heights curve. . I thought Scotty's group might have been parked behind one of those shops. (the shops are visible in CBD's photo....although they're a bit hard to see) The mystery G ;) https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/3...923/9sZPF3.jpg detail I checked a video to compare signs. starting at 1:39 https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...924/zQwWN7.jpg at 1:44 https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...922/QagFYn.jpg But this vid is probably a decade removed from the Bower's photo. ______________________________ If anyone feels like it, you can watch the short video here. (it's been on nla a few times before) |
Photobucket is at it again
In the last few days I've noticed that random photos in many of my posts are not displaying. Sometimes they're missing one
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https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/I0...l=w825-h632-noFine Art America/Bizarre Los Angeles
Before the muffdiving began...who's waiting up those stairs? It seems that the 700 blocks of the Beverly Hills flats hosted all sorts of interesting noirish goings-on--the acid attack at the Day house on Alpine, the Menendez mayhem on Elm...and now I've come across, courtesy of our friends at Bizarre Los Angeles, the story of an actress I can't say I remember ever hearing of... and I find no prior NLA posts. To quote BLA's caption of the picture above: "Movie star Lilyan Tashman inside her Beverly Hills home at 718 Linden Drive. Tashman and her star husband, Edmund Lowe, threw many wild parties here...and if Hollywood legend is correct, these parties occasionally became orgies for closeted film players. Although Tashman nor Lowe ever came out as being gay, numerous stars have outed them in later years. Tashman, in particular, was said to have been quite a womanizer. She died in 1934 from cancer and, sadly, the house no longer exists." Well, her press seems to allude only obliquely to her proclivities (and, I assume, innocently): https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pm...=w1093-h647-no The Boston Globe March 30, 1934 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/wZ...a=w518-h606-no The Jewish Advocate April 3, 1934 (next to an article titled "Halt the Nazi Invasion!") |
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I didn't find anything on the Beverly Hills house(s), although I did check out the S Manhattan Place addresses in the derangedlacrimes.com link which I posted. The first is from this sentence: Bernice regained consciousness, and because she was no longer welcome at the Beverly Hills home she stayed with her mother and sisters in their apartment at 529 South Manhattan.There doesn't seem to be a 529 South Manhattan when I looked on GSV. I also failed to find anybody listed at that address in the CDs or any building permits. The other address is here: Bernice and her sister Carlyn stopped in at the Baldridge Drug Store at Sixth and Western and asked a clerk, W.J. Bowman, for a chemical that would remove warts.There's a new construction building permit for that address issued on the day after Christmas Day in 1912, and very little since. There aren't even many listings in the CDs. The building facing S Manhattan place is 512, but there appears to be an older wooden building behind, although it's hard to see from the road. Of course, Mrs K Lane probably never existed, and the address may have made up on the spot. For the record, the Baldridge Drug Co is listed at 601 S Western Avenue in the 1923 CD. While USC has images which are very close to that location and date, I couldn't find a picture of the drug store. |
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