Ok, so they're going with the open plaza. If they still need approvals, I'm guessing this plaza won't be in the required location. I hope they have shifted it to Park Avenue.

The open plaza is the 1566 foot version right?

1400 feet was the enclosed

Yeah, the open plaza is the as-of-right version. It's required to be in that location mid-block, but I'm guessing they're going to move it. Moving the retail branch was another issue.


https://a4.pbase.com/o10/06/102706/1...R4xZM2h.c9.JPG

3 1550+ foot towers? That's insane (in a good way)

So uh this could mean a 1,600 foot building potentially?

Holy f*ck

Yeah, and one of them needs to have something other than a flat roof. Maybe that's where the Grand Hyatt tower will come in.

I would prefer consolidating three 1550+ footers into a single 3000+ footer, beating Burj Khalifa! Just kidding, since that would never happen. But I do welcome the 1566' version.

As crazy as it sounds I'm not sure I'd actually *want* that in NYC :shrug:

I'd take a 2000 foot tower in heartbeat. I think when you get to 2,300 or so it would start to look kind of absurd. If something downtown could hit 1,775 to roof I'd be set for life.

I just hope it'll have a nice crown. Another flat roofed 1400 footer or 1556 footer with that kind of bulk/massing wouldn't shine as much than one with a nice crown. Besides, we have the rubbish called Tower 5th to fill that void which I hope goes through a redesign. But too soon to tell.

I believe its to the bulkhead too, the massing models, so potentially yes. :cheers:

This just piles more pressure on Barnett to add the spire back in, although I have a sinking feeling its too late for that...

Foster is very committed to “respecting” International Style for his work on the East Side, so I doubt that this will have a crown.

We should have an idea withing a coupe of weeks. Here's the City Planning schedule...


https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...dg.Feb2019.JPG

425 sorta has a “crown”

I think that this tower will be even simpler than 425.

I don't think that's a bad thing, I dig (some) simplicity more for really tall buildings.

I feel like it's overkill if a building is architecturally complicated as well as tall.

Yeah at least one of these big boys going up needs to do something. There needs to be something iconic go somewhere. Something you can recognize in a silhouette. Building a tower this high you got a responsibility to have a nice iconic impact on the skyine. I understand not all will, but it'd be great to get at least one of these.

Neither do I. I’d be very pleased with the 1,560’ massing model.

Brewer's victory tweet:

https://twitter.com/galeabrewer/stat...41085797253120


And Powers response as well...


https://www.crainsnewyork.com/real-e...k-avenue-tower


Hoping this is all resolved, so we can finally get on with the finalization of what will be built here, including height figures.