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Obadno Dec 1, 2017 6:47 PM

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Originally Posted by gymratmanaz (Post 8004884)
How many stories???

All they say is "high Rise" so ~20+ floors most likely

gymratmanaz Dec 1, 2017 6:47 PM

Would be a great to have family spaces!!!

CrestedSaguaro Dec 1, 2017 7:46 PM

Article on Downtown Phoenix Journal on the current state of Downtown Growth.

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Downtown Phoenix Journal

Grappling With Growth in Downtown Phoenix

Harper Speagle-Price

As downtown Phoenix continues to develop, residents and local businesses point out that growth comes with challenges.

Development in the area has been increasing for over a decade now, and it doesn’t show any sign of stopping. With the addition of new apartment complexes, student housing and condominium projects, more and more people are flocking to Arizona’s urban center.

Within the downtown redevelopment area, 1,185 apartment units have been completed so far in 2017. This area is roughly bounded by McDowell Road and Lincoln Street and Seventh Avenue and Seventh Street. Another 1,636 units are under construction, while 2,529 are in pre-development, according Dan Klocke, executive director of the Downtown Phoenix Partnership.

Within a one-mile radius of First Avenue and Monroe Street, downtown Phoenix has a population of just over 18,000 people. Since 2000, the population has increased by 12 percent, and is expected to increase by approximately another 8 percent in the next five years, according to the Downtown Phoenix Partnership and CoStar Group.

Depending on the number of bedrooms, the price for the new units range from approximately $1,000 to $2,200 per month, according to Klocke.

Unintended Consequences

Among those moving downtown are young professionals and college students attending Arizona State University’s Downtown Phoenix Campus and University of Arizona’s Phoenix Biomedical Campus. Klocke said that it appears that young professionals are the driving force of the movement.

“At the same time, other people are getting pushed out of downtown because the pricing has gone up so much that it’s not as affordable as it once was,” said Kimber Lanning, founder and executive director of Local First Arizona.

Sarah Bingham, co-owner of the vintage clothing shop Antique Sugar, lived downtown for close to 10 years, and recently sold her condo because its value went up so much.

“Anybody who wasn’t fortunate enough to buy a place when it was cheap can’t really afford to live here anymore,” Bingham said. “Most people that have been here for this long probably won’t agree that this growth is a good thing.”

She said that preserving the authenticity of downtown has also raised concerns.

“There’s going to be a lot of battles over saving older buildings. Developers can’t find any dirt, so they’re going to want to tear down what’s already there,” Lanning said. “That’s going to be an environmental disaster and a cultural disaster because a lot of those older buildings provide the unique character and sense of place.”

Lanning said that newer buildings, especially along Roosevelt Street, lack this character. She said that though ASU has done a good job of preserving Phoenix’s historic buildings, the expansion of the nation’s largest university to downtown has also attracted the attention of developers who don’t care about the individuality of the area.

Bingham agreed that though the growth has been positive economically, it has not been as great for the arts surrounding Roosevelt, with some art venues turning into restaurants and bars.

“It’s definitely not as vibrant as it used to be,” Bingham said.

Art galleries and smaller retailers can’t pay rent, allowing the spaces to be taken over by bars and restaurants that are more likely to be able to afford the higher costs, Lanning said.

She said that the new apartments popping up are affecting the walkability of the district.

New buildings are required to have ground floor retail in order to maintain the pedestrian-friendly aspect of the area. However, developers have realized that putting a gym on the ground floor of an apartment building is a way to get around the system and meet the requirement, Lanning said.

“When you take an arts district like Roosevelt Row, and you put up five apartment complexes that have gymnasiums on the ground floor, it’s completely devastating,” Lanning said. “We need to have a very public conversation about not allowing huge leasing suites facing our most walkable district.”

Balancing Benefits

Steve Yozwiak has worked in the downtown area for over 35 years and moved to downtown eight years ago to shorten his commute.

Despite difficulties in finding parking and the noise from construction, he said that the growth in downtown has generally been good. He said that he welcomes more housing in the area.

Of the increasing amount of college students, Yozwiak said that they bring a “whole new level of energy” to downtown.

“It helps to diversify the social fabric of the downtown area,” said Yozwiak.

He said that in addition to the influx of students and young workers, older people are moving to the area as well, simply because it’s convenient.

“I can hop on one of five different freeways and go anywhere in the Valley within a half hour,” Yozwiak said.

“The only negative thing is that things get more expensive because it’s developing and becoming more popular,” Rawn said. “Some people can afford to stay and some people can’t. That’s pretty normal for a growing city.”

Maya Rawn, 26, moved from Tempe to downtown Phoenix about two years ago.

Rawn said that though it’s pricier, there are still many positives that come from the growth.

“It’s really beautiful. I’m really proud of Phoenix,” Rawn said of downtown Phoenix’s newfound sense of community. “It’s creating an environment where people are a lot happier.”

Yozwiak also said that the changes have largely been very positive for the area.

“Downtown has just blossomed,” Yozwiak said. “There’s a lot of smart people going to school here, and I think they all make for great neighbors.”
https://www.google.com/amp/downtownp...ng-growth/amp/

exit2lef Dec 1, 2017 8:14 PM

"Sarah Bingham, co-owner of the vintage clothing shop Antique Sugar, lived downtown for close to 10 years, and recently sold her condo because its value went up so much." -- That's the exact opposite of being "pushed out."

This article, like so much I've read from an anti-gentrification perspective, is long on nostalgia and emotion but short on facts and logic. While occupied ground floor retail is ideal, I'd rather have leasing offices and fitness centers than empty ground floor retail. Those leasing offices and fitness centers can always be converted to retail space if there is sufficient demand in the future.

CrestedSaguaro Dec 1, 2017 8:20 PM

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Originally Posted by exit2lef (Post 8005060)
"Sarah Bingham, co-owner of the vintage clothing shop Antique Sugar, lived downtown for close to 10 years, and recently sold her condo because its value went up so much." -- That's the exact opposite of being "pushed out."

This article, like so much I've read from an anti-gentrification perspective, is long on nostalgia and emotion but short on facts and logic. While occupied ground floor retail is ideal, I'd rather have leasing offices and fitness centers than empty ground floor retail. Those leasing offices and fitness centers can always be converted to retail space if there is sufficient demand in the future.

Yea, I was trying to hold off on critiquing the article because I just don't feel like it today. But I agree with your assessment of empty retail spaces.

biggus diggus Dec 1, 2017 8:28 PM

When people sell things because the value has risen, what do they do? Everything else costs more as well.

edit: what's with the statement that it isn't as vibrant as it used to be? The area is far more vibrant.

muertecaza Dec 1, 2017 8:33 PM

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Originally Posted by gymratmanaz (Post 8004884)
How many stories???

The preliminary documents filed with the city indicated 25 stories, 250'.

gymratmanaz Dec 1, 2017 8:47 PM

Thanks....decent height!

exit2lef Dec 1, 2017 8:56 PM

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Originally Posted by biggus diggus (Post 8005093)

edit: what's with the statement that it isn't as vibrant as it used to be? The area is far more vibrant.

I know. I read that to mean that vibrant = vibrant only in the way that I like and want it to be forever (instead of evolving to meet market demand)

Obadno Dec 1, 2017 9:21 PM

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Originally Posted by biggus diggus (Post 8005093)
When people sell things because the value has risen, what do they do? Everything else costs more as well.

edit: what's with the statement that it isn't as vibrant as it used to be? The area is far more vibrant.

Its not the weird art backwater that appeased her hipster sensibilities the way it was when she moved in.

biggus diggus Dec 1, 2017 10:44 PM

the good ol' days when 6 people used to walk the block on any given Friday night.

CrestedSaguaro Dec 1, 2017 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by muertecaza (Post 8005099)
The preliminary documents filed with the city indicated 25 stories, 250'.

What's with the 250' height? Seems like it should be taller with 25 floors. Stewart and Derby both are at 19 floors and are set to break into the 240 range. Even Block 23 at 17 floors will still be right around the 200' mark. :shrug:

muertecaza Dec 2, 2017 1:04 AM

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Originally Posted by RonnieFoos (Post 8005329)
What's with the 250' height? Seems like it should be taller with 25 floors. Stewart and Derby both are at 19 floors and are set to break into the 240 range. Even Block 23 at 17 floors will still be right around the 200' mark. :shrug:

Could have to do with the fact that I don't think they have to build much parking--they already have underground parking. But I don't know for sure.

FN2187 Dec 2, 2017 5:14 AM

So there's a small chance Phoenix can get a new tallest building if davis submits proposal again?

ASU Diablo Dec 4, 2017 4:26 PM

Knipe House development incorporates historic preservation
 
Some new updates on the Knipe House RFP...looks great.

https://downtowndevil.com/2017/12/04...-preservation/
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A development of the Knipe House and its surrounding area approved by City Council, designed by historic preservation experts in conjunction with a Scottsdale-based developer, received praise upon its passage last week.

The new developments, which will be a mix of commercial and residential property, include a 50-year preservation of the Knipe House.

Growhouse owner Kenny Barrett will continue the garden’s operations as a tenant of the Knipe House, according to the developer, True North LLC.

The architectural plans were created with help from architect Mike Davis, of DAVIS Architecture, working in collaboration with Bob Graham, an architect who specializes in historic preservation. The intent was to create a space constructed in harmony with the Knipe House’s renovations.

Dorina Bustamante, the director of community engagement at Downtown Phoenix Partnership, described the new space on the east side of the development as an artist’s space, which will include the Knipe House and cap at five stories tall.

“All of the new buildings that are built there will look like they’ve always been there. They will be inspired, from a design standpoint, by the aesthetic of Knipe House and Monorchid,” she said. The housing will be lower density and encourage pedestrian traffic.

The west side will include a more modern, eight-story office space with at least 250 public parking spaces.

Wayne Rainey, the owner of downtown’s Monorchid, is the cultural curator of the project. He will work with Truth North developer Jonathon Vento to create the layout.

Artspace will be the consultant in creating at least 32 units of housing for community artists in the residential buildings.

Council members praised True North’s efforts to honor the community’s requests in regards to these issues.

“We should be doing more projects of this kind,” District 2 Councilman Jim Waring said. “We don’t really have to spend anything. Let’s try and emulate this a little bit more.”

He especially praised the fact there was no Government Property Lease Excise Tax (GPLET) agreement involved and that the city would not have to spend money from the General Fund for this deal.

A majority of the $3.56 million the City will gain from the sale of the properties will be allocated to the Downtown Community Reinvestment Fund.

District 7 Councilman Michael Nowakowski said he was proud the development was in his district.

“I really want to thank the staff and the developer for really sitting down with the community and working things out,” he said.

The Council agenda item said four other buildings are proposed for construction, including two five-story commercial office buildings and 1,200 more parking spaces.

The project is expected to generate about $151 million in new capital investment, $2.8 million in construction tax revenues, and 2,300 jobs during construction.

Classical in Phoenix Dec 4, 2017 4:52 PM

New #development coming to Roosevelt Row in #Phoenix. @phxculture has the scoop: https://t.co/6wGXqRhQsm

This article mentions a 19 story building on the west side of the street for the Knipe development, but says plans could be modified.

ASU Diablo Dec 4, 2017 5:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Classical in Phoenix (Post 8007598)
New #development coming to Roosevelt Row in #Phoenix. @phxculture has the scoop: https://t.co/6wGXqRhQsm

This article mentions a 19 story building on the west side of the street for the Knipe development, but says plans could be modified.

Much more informative article on New Times, thanks for sharing!

Sounds even better and like the emphasis on getting affordable housing for artists and wanting them to "return" back to Roosevelt Row. I'm a little confused on the following...not sure if it's saying that Growhouse will remain AFTER renovations are done or simply that they're the first tenant until they're kicked out for renovations and then will be a retail space?? :shrug:
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Now, Roosevelt Growhouse will remain at Knipe House, becoming the first tenant for the Ro2 development. Once Knipe House is renovated, it will be used for retail space, education programs, and community events.


ASU Diablo Dec 4, 2017 5:29 PM

Southern restaurant The Larder + The Delta to reopen in Phoenix in March
 
https://www.azcentral.com/story/ente...ing/910165001/

This has to be the first retail space being occupied at Portland on the Park right? :tup:

ASUSunDevil Dec 4, 2017 5:34 PM

"The architectural plans were created with help from architect Mike Davis, of DAVIS Architecture, working in collaboration with Bob Graham, an architect who specializes in historic preservation. The intent was to create a space constructed in harmony with the Knipe House’s renovations."

Hopefully Davis' (successful) involvement in this project has an impact on the Central Station RFP decision:

https://thedavisexperience.com/proje...entral-station

exit2lef Dec 4, 2017 6:14 PM

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Originally Posted by airomero83 (Post 8007663)
https://www.azcentral.com/story/ente...ing/910165001/

This has to be the first retail space being occupied at Portland on the Park right? :tup:

As far as I know, yes. Glad to have this restaurant resurfacing just a few blocks from its prior home at the DeSoto Central Market.


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