But we're NEVER going to get anywhere near 10% non-compliance with covid and 0-12 aren't even factored in. I suspect there will be a bigger pushback at least in the near term with parents hesitant to give a vaccine that is not fully approved to their young child. Measles is largely a non-issue due to the trust and high compliance among children. I suspect it will more like the flu vaccines which there is a high degree of non-compliance. I didn't even get vaccinated until last year.

You don't have to go to New Zealand:

https://khn.org/news/why-measles-hit...ish-community/

Measles is considered about the most transmissible respiratory virus and yet, in spite of 10% non-compliance which is "below the 95 percent threshold considered necessary to maintain immunity" outbreaks usually make the news as these did and also a recent one in the Northwest US.

I want to see COVID outbreaks treated similarly and I think we can get there.

Since COVID is less contagious, we don't need to. 70% was the figure Tony Fauci guessed last year. I think the SF Bay Area can reach 85% when a vaccine is approved for all ages and for this virus that'll probably do it.

If Texas can't get to that figure, Californians traveling there will just have to be sure they've had their shots and perhaps there will be economic consequences.

What about the reverse; California and the Bay Area are major destinations from visitors all over the place including places with low compliance rates.

I'd like to see legislation explicitly allowing employers to require vaccination for at least new employees/promotions. I've heard anecdotally that a lot of places are scared to require that of employees for legal reasons, real or imagined. UChicago is requiring vaccination of students, but not of staff or faculty, for example (though I suspect vaccination rates among at least the academic staff are near 100%.). It seems like they're likely figuring it out with the lawyers...
They're finally lifting the campus outdoor mask mandate though:

I suspect by the time I'm back from Greenland in late July, I may even be allowed to use my office even when my officemate is around :-p.

All the more reason for the vaccines to be fully approved by the FDA, not merely authorized for emergency use and I would imagine there would be legal hurdles mandating then vaccine until then.

The Canadians are more like the Brits than Americans. They will take whatever their government gives them and say thank you.

There will be enough Californians who don’t give a shit. Trust me.

I cannot believe that a supposed medical professional would attempt to use measles or chicken pox as examples here. The more appropriate precedent is influenza, where easy access to vaccination has clearly not eliminated the disease.

Not only do flu and Covid supposedly spread more easily (measles is also airborne, but as I understand it not totally aerosol - i.e., it spreads through coughs and sneezes or mucus, but not just breathing in the same indoor space), but with very few exceptions, a person can only be infected once.

That creates a massively different potential for universal vaccination. Inoculate every kid before they start kindergarten, and they have lifelong immunity to these viruses. That’s a pretty easy path to herd immunity.

Something that isn’t a serious disease for most and requires annual booster shots for adults, possibly against various different strains (like flu or Covid) will never allow for “universal” vaccination.

But keep dreaming.

Traffic has been atrocious lately. That's the one thing I miss from Mother Covid... the lack of traffic.

The reopening plan for Ontario is getting a pretty rough ride right now, people generally aren’t too happy about it.

I can tell you that most people are already ignoring it, especially those with first shots.

Certain things like retail and restaurants can’t be ignored though. But gathering limits? Basically nobody is paying attention to the government regulation at this point.

I suspect it’s timeline will shift up. Canada will be done first shots in the next few weeks and will be done most second shots by the end of July.

And people are whining about restrictions in the U.S., lol.

Why is it so extreme in Ontario? Were cases surging there? Seems we're pretty much at the end of this pandemic and Ontario is going full lock-down like it's still march 2020.

It's only going to hurt them in the long run. Add to the time that it will take for a full economic recovery. Which sucks for those folks...

We're just really trying to hit that "longest lockdown in the world" record.

We've basically been in one form or another of shutdown since like October or November of 2020. I can't even remember anymore.

A friend who stayed with me in Tahoe in the summer of 2019 ended up having the mumps. Even though he had been vaccinated his medication made him immuno compromised. I figured I was okay because I was vaccinated but my Dr. told me to get the MMR vaccine again since I had it over 45 years ago and felt it may not protect me anymore from mumps measles or rubella. He told me the vaccine is not good for a lifetime so I am glad I got it again. Especially because we can thank anti vaxxers for making it a potential issue for all again.

The only Californians traveling to TX are probably moving there. I do not think there will be economic consequences.

They are right to. Canada seems to be on another level, and one which could never be attempted in a country with widespread private ownership of firearms.

A rebellion. Yeah, sure. lol.

and widespread stupidity about a magnitude of things that seems to be rewarded elevated and celebrated.