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combusean Oct 3, 2022 9:04 PM

Dutch Brothers creates LOTS of problems for anywhere nearby, I can't remember if it was them. If so, that'd be quite understandable.

I'm still of the opinion that Phoenix should be getting more urban and evolving away from drive-thrus, but the market doesn't seem to agree with more developer interest fueled by increasing populations and incomes.

Prestige Worldwide Oct 3, 2022 9:50 PM

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Originally Posted by combusean (Post 9750006)
Dutch Brothers creates LOTS of problems for anywhere nearby, I can't remember if it was them. If so, that'd be quite understandable.

I'm still of the opinion that Phoenix should be getting more urban and evolving away from drive-thrus, but the market doesn't seem to agree with more developer interest fueled by increasing populations and incomes.

It was a proposed Black Rock Coffee at that site. They wanted to remove the line of mature palm trees along Palm Lane for access. That plus the drive-thru adding traffic to a narrow Palm Lane just added to the neighborhood opposition. I am glad it failed.

MiEncanto Oct 4, 2022 4:09 PM

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Originally Posted by exit2lef (Post 9749808)
I'm not sure I understand. Are you saying that Cane's would have faced less opposition if it had been planned for the east side of the street? Why would that make a difference? I'd expect opposition to intensify closer to Central.



Sorry I wasn't clear.

I meant the historic neighborhood opposition to Cane's, which resulted in this new concept, has the messaging impact of: 'Serve the residents who live closer to Central, as opposed to a fast food place which will serve more of the residents to the west of 7th Ave.'

Again, this was probably a good result all things considered. I just don't like it when upper crust neighbors seemingly 'take' something from their lower income neighbors.

PHX31 Oct 4, 2022 4:48 PM

/\ I see what you're saying. I wouldn't call the west side of 7th Ave "lower income" though, until you get to parts of the area around 19th Ave or even the freeway. Willow is certainly upper crust.

What does anyone know about the building directly across 7th Ave from Duke's? Looks like it is doing something with the front. It has a decent mix of tenants which is kind of interesting. The hard corner with the check cashing place really kind of sucks though. And I can't believe Long Wong's has held on for so long... that is some bottom barrel googie architecture for those preservationists. :haha:

Obadno Oct 4, 2022 7:26 PM

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Originally Posted by PHX31 (Post 9750865)
/\ I see what you're saying. I wouldn't call the west side of 7th Ave "lower income" though, until you get to parts of the area around 19th Ave or even the freeway. Willow is certainly upper crust.

What does anyone know about the building directly across 7th Ave from Duke's? Looks like it is doing something with the front. It has a decent mix of tenants which is kind of interesting. The hard corner with the check cashing place really kind of sucks though. And I can't believe Long Wong's has held on for so long... that is some bottom barrel googie architecture for those preservationists. :haha:

I think its jsut new landscaping but its been taking months, I think the Payday loan place is not long for this world that corner is gentrifying fast

The chase Branch is also undergoing some kind of remodel and I have no idea if its going to stay a chase branch or be some new kind of office space.

Prestige Worldwide Oct 4, 2022 9:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Obadno (Post 9751083)
I think its jsut new landscaping but its been taking months, I think the Payday loan place is not long for this world that corner is gentrifying fast

The chase Branch is also undergoing some kind of remodel and I have no idea if its going to stay a chase branch or be some new kind of office space.

Dignity Health/St. Joe's owns the former Chase branch. Not sure what's happening to it. Demolition is my guess.

Obadno Oct 10, 2022 4:05 PM

Big Article in Bizz Journal today about the Moontower of all htings?

Thought it was dead can anyone pull it and post it?

CrestedSaguaro Oct 11, 2022 3:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Obadno (Post 9756377)
Big Article in Bizz Journal today about the Moontower of all htings?

Thought it was dead can anyone pull it and post it?

You may be thinking about a different project. Moontower is nearly completed and we have a full thread dedicated to it.

http://https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=246516

pbenjamin Oct 17, 2022 9:32 PM

FWIW, prior to the payday loan store on the SE corner of Thomas and 7th Ave -- it's not a check cashing store, couldn't be because of the bank across the street -- there was a proposal to put a Dunkin Donuts in at that site, with a drive through lane. The neighborhood was all for it, I chaired the Willo zoning committee at the time and we supported it. The developer got the necessary zoning adjustments, but the project fell through when the developer and the out of state owner couldn't agree on who would pay for stuff like the archaeological study. So we got the hideous payday loan store.

CrestedSaguaro Oct 18, 2022 9:12 PM

Small update. Received my records request for Vela (701 N. Central) and the height has been increased from 250' to 291' at 26 floors.

Don't have any renderings except lot markups. But it looks like it will take up the length of the block from Pierce to McKinley. Going to be stumpy. :(

Obadno Oct 19, 2022 4:11 PM

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Originally Posted by CrestedSaguaro (Post 9764372)
Small update. Received my records request for Vela (701 N. Central) and the height has been increased from 250' to 291' at 26 floors.

Don't have any renderings except lot markups. But it looks like it will take up the length of the block from Pierce to McKinley. Going to be stumpy. :(

the Gap between Freeport and BMO is shrinking rapildy:cheers:

Cant wait for the next round of office construction, downtown will finally have the popularity and cache to really entice some nice office developments.

combusean Oct 19, 2022 5:49 PM

I would call Vela more wide than stumpy, it at least takes only half the block. Isn't there something going up across the alley that will have some height?

Mr.RE Oct 19, 2022 6:15 PM

31-story high-rise planned for the old Peterson site at Thomas & Central! :cheers:

https://azbex.com/planning-developme...ajor-overhaul/

ASU Diablo Oct 19, 2022 7:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.RE (Post 9765523)
31-story high-rise planned for the old Peterson site at Thomas & Central! :cheers:

https://azbex.com/planning-developme...ajor-overhaul/

Nice!!! This should be pushing at least 350+ feet. Also, nice win that will be designed by DAVIS so should be a good looking tower.

gymratmanaz Oct 19, 2022 7:31 PM

WOW....great news!!!!!!

pbenjamin Oct 19, 2022 7:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.RE (Post 9765523)
31-story high-rise planned for the old Peterson site at Thomas & Central! :cheers:

https://azbex.com/planning-developme...ajor-overhaul/

The 2019 plan was unanimously approved by the Encanto VPC with support from the Willo neighborhood. It will be interesting to see what reaction the doubling of the height will bring.

gymratmanaz Oct 19, 2022 7:55 PM

Double the excitement? LOL

combusean Oct 19, 2022 9:31 PM

Willo was OK with the 375 foot BMO tower as the maximum height in that area judging by the old three-tower project where the Muse sits now so 31 stories should be fine.

It's ALWAYS nice to see an experienced Chicago developer come into town, and my guess is this will happen. I had no faith that the old proposal would have ever gotten built.

MMDelon Oct 19, 2022 11:11 PM

There are quite a few projects planned on that block or close to the 701 N. Central Ave project. The 601 N Central Ave is planned at 326’, 1st Ave and Pierce project is planned for 402’, and the 901 N Central Ave is planned for 340’. This is excluding the lot that city bought back ASU too. That whole section is going to be developed within the next five. Very exciting time.

FireMedic Oct 19, 2022 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MMDelon (Post 9765961)
There are quite a few projects planned on that block or close to the 701 N. Central Ave project. The 601 N Central Ave is planned at 326’, 1st Ave and Pierce project is planned for 402’, and the 901 N Central Ave is planned for 340’. This is excluding the lot that city bought back ASU too. That whole section is going to be developed within the next five. Very exciting time.

What developer is building the
402ft @1st Ave & Pierce and any images of it ?


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