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I also hope mask wearing has been better accepted. As of May, there still were too many people refusing--mostly as a political statement--to wear them such that I felt uncomfortable going out where there were signficant numbers of other people. I did my grocery shopping in the evening an hour before store closing when they were mostly empty (in SF, I have almost everything delivered but that didn't work too well in Tucson--Instacart had hired a bunch of kids who had probably never shopped for groceries before in their lives). I put off having my second car's oil change because when I did the first one the two other people in the waiting area were unmasked and it was 105 degrees F outdoors so I didn't want to wait outside. Also putting off the dentist and the optometrist annual visits. |
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A ways back I posted an article about many tech companies reducing salaries for WFH employees and those working in places other than the SF headquarters by about 15%. Then there's the likely fact that if the boss never sees you, he isn't going to think of you when it comes time to replace your boss or otherwise promote. And finally, I would think these 20-something workers would just like the socialization that happens with peers in the office, especially when there's foosball, free food and dog grooming and all the other goodies the tech industry became known for pre-COVID. |
As if nightlife is the only source of entertainment or fun.
Expand the horizons! :wiseman: Too many weak minded folks out there. If people are bored during the lockdowns, might be a good time to expand the horizons and discover some new sources of fun or entertainment. Expand the minds entertainment preference portfolio. There is more to life than bars and getting f'd up on alcohol. This will all be over in time. Until than, might be a good time to discover a new hobbies or outlook on something new... as some folks did during the 1st wave. |
^ If anyone is truly bored during all of this covid bullshit, just make some kids.
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Supposedly former retail store spaces in NYC and other US cities are being converted into senior housing. I’m not against the idea but wouldn’t former commercial areas be too loud and invasive for senior housing?
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There are obviously other things to do, but life is about balance. Most people's personalities aren't conducive to getting fucked up every single night for eight months, and on the flip side, neither do they want to stay inside or in groups of four for eight months straight. I'm fine accepting what we need to do to manage caseloads, but there isnt really a Covid equivalent to taking some MDMA and partying with hundreds of people until 4 am. My plan is just to work my ass off for this winter, and take a leave of absence to South America or thr Pacific party islands when the vaccine is out and life gets back to normal. |
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And they're talking about dead retail in sprawl being demolished for new construction replacement, including senior housing, which is a trend that long predates the pandemic. The U.S. has too much big box retail space, and not enough senior housing, so, yeah, the trend makes sense. |
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But I agree this totally sucks, and work is now endless and 24/7, and neither my wife or I have the type of jobs that formerly require such herculean dedication. My wife was working till 1 AM last night, which is typical 2-3 days a week lately. Cannot wait till vaccine and semi-normalcy ensues. |
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Its a short term sacrifice to help save potentially millions of lives globally, and people are just botching it up. The vaccine will be here in time, soon in the grand scheme of things, and than life will return to normal. What this pandemic has shown us is that when real shit hits the fan, some places are not ready AT ALL. Quote:
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I like to have a clear separation between both. On friday afternnon it wasn't so unusual for me to walk from my office to my home, a healthy two hours walk (it could be faster but I often took some detours). I find working from home is quite unbearable (hyperbole :D), I'm doing work related thing much later than I usually do because the separation between work and home isn't there anymore. |
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yes, this has not been the easiest, most comfortable season of life for many, many people, but when has whining ever made a situation better? i'm still jobless going on 7 months now, and i do worry about if/when i might ever find permanent employment in my field again, but i'm still ever so grateful for all of the many blessings in my life. It's about perspective; try to acquire some. |
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Never in my life would I have justified working these kinds of hours but like I said, most of us don't really have a choice. Whatever we have to do to keep health insurance and a paycheck right now...I only have $1500 in savings (after paying off credit card debt for years...luckily free of it now). My goal is to save $1500 for the next 6 months so I can finally have some peace of mind. |
The St. Louis metro area is completely trifurcated in terms what restrictions, if any, are in place.
The city and St. Louis County are some of the only places in the entire State of Missouri even attempting to somewhat take things seriously. Bars and restaurants are currently capped at 50% capacity with a 11 pm curfew for them in the city and 10 pm in the county. Some places have closed for the winter, but others are trying to make the most out of their patios while they still can. It feels somewhat normal. The rest of the Missouri counties in metro St. Louis are a free for all. Over in the Illinois, the Metro East just slipped back a phase for the second time, so indoor dining is banned by order of the governor. This time, however, many bars and restaurants aren't following the orders, and some of the State's Attorney's Offices are dismissing the citations issued by the State Police. Whether Illinois goes to the next level and starts pulling liquor licenses remains to be seen. Finally our area hospitals are reaching capacity again because when people get sick in rural Missouri they come here since we have the "good" hospitals, so that's great. The medical community is currently in full panic mode because of the increases. So in short, things are open but it's starting to feel like we're on a rollercoaster nearing the top right before the drop. |
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Even if a vaccine is approved early next year, there will be a very cautious approach taken given unclear effectiveness. This social distancing bullshit is going to ruin 2021 as well. |
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I’m with most of the others here that 10023 is complaining way too much, but there is one distinct matter where I think his concerns may have merit: Our Governors have been doing a lot of goal post moving over the past 7 months. It is frustrating, and they are playing with people’s livelihoods and mental well being. I think it is very unfortunate. For example, in Illinois the final phase is “Illinois restored” defined by a vaccine being available, and hence an end to the pandemic (and these emergency powers that Governors have so readily taken unto themselves). Mark my words that even after the FDA approves a vaccine, Governor Pritzker is going to be out with “Well, our own State health authorities need to review the data” followed by “We can’t back down my measures until X number of people receive the vaccine” and Lord knows what other new criteria. It will drag on and on, and if everything isn’t spik or span perfect, the emergency pandemic orders will continue to drag out. Business owners and shopkeepers will continue to be held under, and I suspect the public will grow increasingly frustrated and angry over the uncertainty of it all. |
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people are wearing masks but also i think covid is on track to be normalized as another occupational hazard of modern life like automobile accidents, with an asterisk. |
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there are some people in government that are saying we won't return to normalcy until there are zero cases. zero cases?! there is a good possibility that a vaccine if and when it arrives, won't be a cure all. everybody is banking on a vaccine that may or may not be effective. the best situation is that this virus mutates out of existence and burns out after a year or two, like the Spanish flu, honk kong flu, asian flu, swine flu have done. |
So have any of you seen NEW businesses open in your area since covid started? I have...
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A life that it not worth living for tens or hundreds of millions, in exchange for adding at most a few years to the lives of the very old. It’s not a good trade. And it will be another six months or year, unless the consensus view shifts toward what I have been suggesting. There will not be a clearly effective, widely available vaccine that will make the experts comfortable with normal social interaction in less than a year, or even two. |
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What I personally despise is the belief that some people's lives are worth more than others, and acting like that gives them the right to satiate their whims and pleasures at the expense of everyone else who isn't as fortunate, socioeconomically and physically. There's more to people than their insurance's actuarial assessments/risks. It also assumes that there's a "right way" to be fulfilled in life and the pursuit of enjoyment, as if whatever everyone else does that they consider to be fulfilling and enjoyable is wrong. I'm thinking of Steely and his kids, as one example. Me? I'm just grateful to have a job (for now). Jesus fuck, I sound like a goddamn college freshman in a fucking philosophy 101 class. I'm sorry. |
^^10023 is wrong on every count.
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Life is endless video meetings (but nothing actually gets done - more work and less income), with no release. The weather here is going to be terrible for the next 5 months so there is nothing enjoyable to do outside. And everything from shopping to working out takes much longer. |
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My expected timeline: 2 months ( end of 2020) - At least one, maybe 2 vaccines approved for emergency use with 100 million doses (enough for 50 million people) available. Will be given initially to medical people, first responders and the institutionalized (nursing homes, possibly prisons etc). Then as more vaccine is manufactured, those over 65. 5 to 6 months (March) - Three vaccines approved. Immunization of the general public begins with vaccine available to anybody who wants it available by June. At what point in this scenario the “lockdown” rules can be removed and businesses can be free to operate normally (but with people continuing to wear masks) will be up to local officials but I’d argue once the most vulnerable are protected—say around March—it would make sense to remove restrictions and let people decide for themselves how much risk they want to take. I personally will not be comfortable in crowds, dining indoors or on transit until “herd immunity” suppresses viral transmission to a negligible level. But if I were 20 I think I’d behave differently and once those wanting to be protected have been, I think we should let people take what risks they will. |
I have a foul mouth and a pessimistic disposition. Not very adult like. I'm 37, I should know better.
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"NO POLITICS" MEANS NO MOTHERFUCKING POLITICS!
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How do we get the R0 under one? Masks, social distancing and contact tracing. Short term sacrifice, long term gain. PEOPLE (INCLUDING MAGAS), STOP WHINING & STOP DENYING MEDICAL SCIENCE AND PUT ON MASKS. The more people that wear masks, the R0 goes under one & cases dwindle. The countries that did are now back to normal, places like Japan, New Zealand etc. Science. |
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time to quit larping, go upstairs, get some fresh air and talk to your mom. and i’m sure there is a helpline in peoria you could call. |
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Life's been turned upside down and sideways the last 8 months or so, and add in the economic and political stress everyone's facing, you're looking at psychological issues running rampant through society. Once we actually start to agree on what needs to happen in order to slowly re-open everything (I'd say a working vaccine), along with a workable timeline, I think most of us will start to emotionally heal. Aaron (Glowrock) |
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The isolation and inward-looking may be depressing but it's also a bit of a rut that's very easy to fall into to the point where it become a somber comfort zone of sorts. I was very very active socially prior to the pandemic, but like a lot of things once you lose the "habit", it's often really hard to get back into it again, and easier to just continue the way you've been going. I really am starting to wonder if I won't become more of a shut-in going forward as a result of this, and also what the societal impacts of millions of people (likely) doing the same will be. I have been consciously fighting it but with each passing week and month I am noticing I have less and less fight left in me. Another me is slowly taking over. |
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New restrictions in today on the rising caseload (casualties remain very limited). Work-from-home strongly recommended along with avoiding public transport, no groups larger than eight in restaurants. No masks though, and no closures. Expanded support for those unable to work normally.
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If you're having suicidal thoughts, please talk to someone. But if you're just whining about having your life inconvenienced for a few months, please shut up about it. It is beyond ironic that some of your parents and grandparents spent way more time in risking their lives in war zones than you're being asked to sit in the house. And they did it under the pretense of protecting this free lifestyle you're crying about having lost. But your selfish asses can't be inconvenienced just a little bit to save their lives or serve the greater good.
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