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Los Angeles Past Jun 12, 2012 11:16 PM

Another goof. Maybe I should take a rest here...

3940dxer Jun 13, 2012 1:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MichaelRyerson (Post 5731185)
How big is too big? I have some images in the 1mb to 1.5mb range that I would post with appropriate physical sizing considerations but would the resolution still pose a problem??

I've posted similar questions here but no one ever responded. :rolleyes:

I have no problem with hi res files like that; in fact I prefer them because they can often be downloaded and then enlarged while retaining detail.

So I say go for it, but be moderate on the pixel dimensions unless there's a compelling reason to go big. I've been going with 1000 and 1200 pixel wide images which seems about right on my computers, but I still wonder what others think.

On another topic, here is a dumb, simple question that someone may be able to answer. Where did the term "block" (as in Temple Block or Downey Block) come from, and what does it actually mean? I always used to think of a block as an area of land between two streets but in L.A. history, "blocks" often seem to be individual buildings, that don't necessarily occupy a full "block", in the modern sense. Re-reading Scott's old posts reminded me of this question. Can anyone clarify this?

Los Angeles Past Jun 13, 2012 2:06 PM

It is finished. All of my postings (excepting five) have been restored, as have all of the images. (There were two minor posts that I had neglected to archive in the first place, one post was omitted because it was an inane question to begin with, one post was simply irrelevant to the discussion at hand and was going to be a pain to copy/paste back into existence anyway, and one I decided to keep off the board for private/family reasons, but is still linked to in my blog.)

And it only took a couple days! It was fun going back through it all, actually, not to mention it gave me something to do while my car's been in the shop this week. ;)

About a third of the formerly missing content is conveniently viewable here (requires login):

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/sear...earchid=911970

The links only go back 100 posts, but since I posted rather sporadically at the end, that goes back over a year to April, 2011. My more informative posts were more near the beginning of the thread, though; in fact, just shy of half of all of my posts were made between pages 20-50.

Here are some of my own favorites.

The Bryson-Bonebrake Block:
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...&postcount=414

Temple Square and the "Million-Dollar Post Office":
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...&postcount=417

View from the Court House tower, c.1900:
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...&postcount=433

Spring Street from First:
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...&postcount=442

Hotel Melrose:
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...&postcount=622

Broadway and First:
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...&postcount=847

The Ramona Boulevard series begins here:
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=2382

Time-traveling to Old L.A.:
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=3401

L.A.'s first synagogue:
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=4064

Map of Rancho land-grants in L.A. county in 1898:
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=4413

The Baker Block:
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...postcount=4541

There is some bad news to report, though: many of the earlier pages of the thread are in pretty bad shape image-wise. A lot more pictures are missing now than when I archived the thread 6 months ago. Many posts have lost all of their linked images. Not sure what if anything can be done about that. I'm just glad I archived what I did when I did!

-Scott

MichaelRyerson Jun 13, 2012 2:28 PM

couple of thank you's and more Krotona
 
Thanks 3940 (may I call you 3940?) that's kind of what I thought, too. I'm going to go ahead and take my chances, besides if one of them turn out to be a problem and pose a threat to the thread I (we) can always delete it.

Thanks E-R, here are a few more surviving Krotona buildings.



http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5330/7...0e3193f8_c.jpg
The Administration Building at Krotona, 5235 Primrose Avenue


http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8163/7...e2ba7677_c.jpg
the Private Chapel at Krotona, 6206 Temple Hill Drive


http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7097/7...140dbfd6_c.jpg
the Science Building at Krotona, 2152 Vista del Mar Avenue


http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8156/7...0e31817a_c.jpg
the Swain bungalow at Krotona, 2176 Argyle Avenue


http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7232/7...fa982258_c.jpg
6209 Scenic Drive

Only surviving bungalow from the original three built in 1912.


http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7232/7...a7653c77_c.jpg
Tuttle bungalow, 2172 Argyle Avenue


http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7232/7...61a1199e_c.jpg
private residence, 6106 Temple Hill Drive


http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8018/7...62f1a590_c.jpg
the Ternary Building, 6205 Temple Hill Drive

Originally (1912-13) three separate residences connected by covered walkways and gardens.


http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7236/7...a3124585_c.jpg
the Ternary Building garden retaining wall

All of these surviving buildings have been turned into private residences and apartments.

all above images from A SURVEY OF SURVIVING BUILDINGS OF
THE KROTONA COLONY IN HOLLYWOOD at Architronic by Alfred Willis,
University of California, Los Angeles

Krotona enjoyed only a brief stay in Hollywood, deciding in 1926 that the city had begun to encroach on their pastoral setting and leaving to re-establish themselves in Ojai where they continue to thrive to this day. But in that brief time Krotona produced the seeds of many seminal and important Southern California institutions; the Hollywood Bowl and the Pilgimage Theater were first imagined here, United Artists was concieved here, stars and lesser lights lived and played here, John Barrymore romanced Mary Astor here and, of course, Augustus Knudsen (and his family) went on to make a deep and indelible mark on Hawaii.


http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7235/7...18bd28723a.jpg
Krotona Apartments sign
image from underthehollywoodsign

Los Angeles Past Jun 13, 2012 2:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5731877)
Scott, your return to 'noirish Los Angeles' is the best news I've had in a long long time. :)

-Bruce

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Good to be back, Chief. Your faithful history sleuth has returned to duty. :cool:

Los Angeles Past Jun 13, 2012 2:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fab Fifties Fan (Post 5731793)
Welcome back Scott!

I have missed my fellow "old Pasadena" department store wild child!!!:ohyeah

~Jon Paul

Hey JP! Where ya been, kiddo? You've been kinda MIA for awhile yourself. ;) We need to get you and gsjansen back into action here!

Los Angeles Past Jun 13, 2012 2:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3940dxer (Post 5731927)
Scott, thanks a million for restoring all those pages. I've just viewed a few of them so far, but I know that you've posted a ton of great stuff, especially on DTLA. Your commentary is very valuable too. Glad you came back!

Thanks for the kind words, David. I must say - you've been blowing my mind with your contributions here over the past several months. My gratitude to you in return!

-Scott

3940dxer Jun 13, 2012 2:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Los Angeles Past (Post 5732582)
It is finished. All of my postings (excepting five) have been restored, as have all of the images....

...There is some bad news to report, though: many of the earlier pages of the thread are in pretty bad shape image-wise. A lot more pictures are missing now than when I archived the thread 6 months ago. Many posts have lost all of their linked images. Not sure what if anything can be done about that. I'm just glad I archived what I did when I did!

-Scott

Scott, thanks SO MUCH for doing the repairs! Returning all that superb content to the thread makes a HUGE difference here. I will certainly go back to re-read all those pages and I'm sure that many, many other readers will enjoy the restored submissions.

Re the other "missing links", I had noticed this too and it's really unfortunate, but I had been giving this some thought and have an idea. if you have the some/most of the missing attachments in your 1-278 archive, those early pages can be repaired in the following way:

1. Someone reviews all the missing images and organizes the project. (I volunteer.)

2. The missing images are re-uploaded to a server or photo site. (I volunteer.)

3. One or two still active forum members who already have posts on the affected pages (this group would basically include e_r, GW, sopas_ej and you, Scott) go back to edit their old posts, adding the missing photos as addendums with brief captions, for example:

Note: on 7-1-2012, I added the attachment below (Temple Block in 1910) to replace the missing image in Winston22's post on this page.


Scott, if you go ahead and send me your 1-278 archive, I can proceed with steps 1 and 2. Then we just need a couple of core members to go back and insert the addendums into their old posts. I can't do that part because I wasn't posting back then, but can forward the details and new image URL's to the right people.

It's a chore, but no worse than what you just went through. Thoughts, anyone?

GaylordWilshire Jun 13, 2012 4:52 PM

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/7431/00020540.jpgLAPL

A view of the courthouse I hadn't seen before.

ethereal_reality Jun 13, 2012 5:05 PM

:previous: It's new to me too. Great find G_W.

I wonder what that is in the lower left corner? I guess this is more than just a parking lot.

ethereal_reality Jun 13, 2012 5:41 PM

I found this on ebay a few weeks ago. I know whe have a lot of photos of old Chinatown on this thread,
but I don't remember seeing this particular photo with it's unusual viewpoint taken from atop a roof.

scan right--> to see complete Union Station...gas meter....and what remains of 'Calle de los Negros' (in lower right corner)

http://imageshack.us/a/img36/7272/aaebay1chinatown.jpg
ebay





below: Information from the backside of the photo.

http://imageshack.us/a/img140/9518/a...hinatown1r.jpg

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MichaelRyerson Jun 13, 2012 7:00 PM

Boy, there is so much to like about this shot of Union Station and the remnants of Chinatown. Great shot.

Earl Boebert Jun 13, 2012 7:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5732850)
:previous: It's new to me too. Great find G_W.

I wonder what that is in the lower left corner? I guess this is more than just a parking lot.

Lube rack.

Cheers,

Earl

fhammon Jun 13, 2012 7:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MichaelRyerson (Post 5733047)
Boy, there is so much to like about this shot of Union Station and the remnants of Chinatown. Great shot.

Agreed. There is also a lot to say about that photo.
I see the Lugo House, Ferguson Alley (the ultimate in Chinatown Noir), Calle de los Negros and even Jerry's Joynt (for ribs).

Kelton Verdugo Jun 14, 2012 3:18 AM

Home of the happy Dietrichsons
 
Here are a couple photos I grabbed of the home used in the 1944 classic, "Double Indemnity". It sounds a little flaky, but I can't recall if this location has already been discussed here on Noirish L.A.( if that is the case, sorry if I am being redundant).

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o...demHouse02.jpg
personal photo

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o...demHouse01.jpg
personal photo

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o...mnityFrame.jpg
Universal Studios Home Entertainment

I took a printed frame grab to the site with me, hoping to take a photo from the exact angle as seen in the movie. I quickly realized that the film crew had placed their camera on an elevated support, in a neighbor's yard, -perhaps so they wouldn't have to have used a wide lens that may have distorted the lines of the house, or maybe the action of Fred walking up to the front door just read better more from the side...

I don't have much stuff to toss into the ring, but I enjoy looking at the new posts on this site almost every evening. Thanks to all!

fhammon Jun 14, 2012 3:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5732911)
I found this on ebay a few weeks ago. I know whe have a lot of photos of old Chinatown on this thread,
but I don't remember seeing this particular photo with it's unusual viewpoint taken from atop a roof.

scan right--> to see complete Union Station...gas meter....and what remains of 'Calle de los Negros' (in lower right corner)

http://imageshack.us/a/img36/7272/aaebay1chinatown.jpg
ebay

BTW Check out this film-noir "T-Men" (1947) on Youtube featuring many things in that photo including the Plaza Fire Station as a Chinese curio shop plus City Hall and the Federal building:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNx_BCO52SI

Hopefully somebody else can make better screen captures than I can. I'm working only with MS Paint.
This is the only film that I know if that has shot of inside Ferguson Alley and the Plaza fire Station.

LAboomer52 Jun 14, 2012 5:26 AM

Turnabout memories
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5724137)
A few more photos of the Turnabout Theatre.


below: The audience 'turning about' (two to a seat).

http://imageshack.us/a/img85/2756/aa...boutturnab.jpg
http://dbase1.lapl.org/turnabout/



below: Another view of the interior (showing the 'revue' stage).

http://imageshack.us/a/img140/2756/a...boutturnab.jpg
http://dbase1.lapl.org/turnabout/




below: A few of the Turnabout Theatre puppeteers.

http://imageshack.us/a/img10/3531/aa...boutpuppet.jpg
unknown

____

:previous:
Thank you very much ethereal reality for the pictures of Turnabout Theater! I attended a matinee for children there in 1956 when I was 4 and I have never forgotten it. Marionettes are a powerful experience when you are a small child! Not to mention flipping the seats. The pictures enhanced my memory tremendously! The courtyard, upper side balconies, the marionettes themselves. Wow. I don't post often, but I am so grateful for those of you who so brilliantly do. LABoomer52

Los Angeles Past Jun 14, 2012 1:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sopas ej (Post 5555632)
Is that Mildred Pierce waiting for a bus? Of course decades later, that drive-in diner-looking place would be the site of Tower Records. Ah, Tower Records, how I miss that place.

1940, Sunset and Holloway, West Hollywood.
http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/927...oway1940he.jpg
LAPL

Going back through old posts here...

This one amazes me. I never would have guessed that was where Tower Records once was. I drove across town to go there about a million times when I was in my 20s, and of course, by that time, the area had changed from this to being built up beyond recognition.

Another thing that amazed me was to put two-and-two together and discover something family-related in this picture. That white building across the street with the columns and the clock on the front was the Utter-McKinley Mortuary at 8814 Sunset Boulevard, where my mother worked in the post-WWII years. Actually, Mom worked from time to time at every UMM location on the west side, as she was Maytor McKinley's personal secretary, and it was her job to make sure all the local offices were running in ship-shape. Eventually, she ended up based at UMM's executive offices at 444 South Vermont, which is where she met my father - a casket company owner - in 1950.

So anyway, all the time I was going to Tower, I never knew my mom once worked just across the street from there! Learn something new every day. :)

-Scott

MichaelRyerson Jun 14, 2012 4:19 PM

Massed Cab Drivers!
 
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7104/7...a53cf56c_b.jpg
opening of 'Taxi'
Digitally reproduced by the USC Digital Archive

Taxi drivers on hand for the 1937 premiere of Taxi starring James Cagney and Loretta Young in front of the Warners Theater on Hollywood Boulevard.

Engineeral Jun 14, 2012 5:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 5730521)
http://imageshack.us/a/img13/334/aab...ejuveniles.jpg
ebay


Beeman refers to the sign on the side of the building, "Beeman & Hendee Infant and Juvenile Wear,Toys".

This is an odd little snapshot what with the glare and the position of the man. But what is that on the street that looks as wide as a boxcar....or am I seeing things?

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MichaelRyerson (Post 5730554)
I have the sense it may be a large wagon just coming out onto the street from the right and making a sharp turn to the right to continue on up the street away from the camera. I think you can make out the hooves of a team just under it and the front carraige is stressed all the way around to the right so it looks like the left front wheel is on the short side of the wagon when it is actually over on that side because of the sharpness of the turn. anyway that's my take.

Michael may have it correct, but I think it more likely the large delivery wagon is turned perpendicular to the sidewalk to make some delivery off of the tailgate. No teamster (driver) is visible and turning the front wheels that sharply makes a wagon very unstable (tippy) and would only be done at very low speed. Also, I think if entering the roadway from a side drive the wagon couldn't be square to the sidewalk with the team parallel the sidewalk if done in a forward motion. The driver has positioned the wagon similar to what a modern driver (teamster) does with a semi-trailer backing up to a loading dock.


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