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JMKeynes Apr 8, 2022 3:49 AM

That’s good news. The Related towers are beautiful.

rivernorthlurker Apr 8, 2022 3:53 AM

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Originally Posted by UPChicago (Post 9592635)

Transcript of video: https://www.newsbreak.com/news/25662...ago-spire-site

"Now, another groundbreaking is planned for the end of 2022"

:cool:

BuildThemTaller Apr 8, 2022 12:44 PM

I hope those little pine trees find a good home.

west-town-brad Apr 8, 2022 1:50 PM

I look forward to taking my kids to the formerly radioactive, new dusable park in 2025

ChiPlanner Apr 8, 2022 1:51 PM

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Originally Posted by rivernorthlurker (Post 9592662)
Transcript of video: https://www.newsbreak.com/news/25662...ago-spire-site

"Now, another groundbreaking is planned for the end of 2022"

:cool:

can confirm- if all goes well this is accurate.

k1052 Apr 8, 2022 2:28 PM

Man exploding residential demand really blowing the dust off a lot of stuff. Will be nice to finally get this filled in.

BVictor1 Apr 8, 2022 2:47 PM

At the Rivers 78 casino meeting last night, I was chatting with some of the Related folk I know and they were saying hopefully by the end of this year or early 2023.

So the same as what's been said over the past 12 hours.

CaptainJilliams Apr 8, 2022 3:45 PM

It's awesome that we've at least received an update, but I'm still skeptical even with this estimate.

thegoatman Apr 8, 2022 3:56 PM

Hope they revise the heights. Can't believe nimby's kept a potential supertall off the front of our lakefront.

dweeprise Apr 8, 2022 3:57 PM

Anyone know how the existing Spire foundation will be used (if at all) for 400LSD?

harryc Apr 8, 2022 4:07 PM

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Originally Posted by dweeprise (Post 9593038)
Anyone know how the existing Spire foundation will be used (if at all) for 400LSD?

only partially - sadly they seem to have no interest at all in the 70' wall sunk around the perimeter in preparation for all parking to be underground.

rivernorthlurker Apr 8, 2022 9:56 PM

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Originally Posted by west-town-brad (Post 9592860)
I look forward to taking my kids to the formerly radioactive, new dusable park in 2025

Ha, I had to do some reading on that. Wasn't aware.

Rizzo Apr 8, 2022 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by west-town-brad (Post 9592860)
I look forward to taking my kids to the formerly radioactive, new dusable park in 2025

Besides construction risks, has this been a complicated matter when the projects are complete? Perhaps way over simplified but I think of it like radon in a basement. You patch some holes and open a couple of windows once and awhile and your risk drops. Except in this case, remove toxic dirt, replace with new dirt over top, pave walkways and plant vegetation, any gamma particles that manage to stir up through the earthen buffer will release into the open air and be a minimal health risk comparatively to all the vehicle exhaust in the area.

Briguy Apr 9, 2022 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Toasty Joe (Post 9593093)
I'm still holding out a sliver of hope that the hotel market will be booming in a few years after they build the northern tower and they'll have updated "traffic studies" to show the southern tower could support mixed use... then bring that back to 1100'+

Once the nimbys get used to 875 ft, they're not going to care if the next one is 750 or 1000, I hope you are right about the height revision, although I bet they'd just add more units, that is still a weird spot for a hotel IMO.

Kngkyle Apr 9, 2022 2:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Toasty Joe (Post 9593093)
I'm still holding out a sliver of hope that the hotel market will be booming in a few years after they build the northern tower and they'll have updated "traffic studies" to show the southern tower could support mixed use... then bring that back to 1100'+

Isn't the plan to build both simultaneously? Has that changed?

the urban politician Apr 9, 2022 11:05 AM

Nice press release. I’m slightly optimistic but will believe it when drilling begins

k1052 Apr 9, 2022 1:51 PM

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Originally Posted by the urban politician (Post 9593762)
Nice press release. I’m slightly optimistic but will believe it when drilling begins

I think it will. Rental market so hot even Related Midwest is building things again.

Skyy Apr 9, 2022 8:47 PM

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Originally Posted by BVictor1 (Post 9592927)
At the Rivers 78 casino meeting last night, I was chatting with some of the Related folk I know and they were saying hopefully by the end of this year or early 2023.

So the same as what's been said over the past 12 hours.

I'm so pumped. A bit sad about the terracotta but I'm sure the metal/glass will still look great, especially around those massings.

I think the recent ambition by developers such as Related and Sterling Bay is a really positive sign, and may point to even more wild proposals down the line, provided that the demand of the current market stays intact.

Ahoi Apr 10, 2022 11:16 AM

https://chicagoyimby.com/2022/04/pot...eterville.html

pianowizard Apr 10, 2022 12:53 PM

^From the article:

"The development will be built in two phases with the taller north tower going first, followed by the shorter south tower. It is possible with a rebound in the market that the eventual southern tower could become taller before its groundbreaking, much like the original plan."

"Having already been approved by the city, Related is planning to break ground on the north tower towards the end of 2022 with an anticipated completion date in 2024, as announced on the updated project website."

rivernorthlurker Apr 11, 2022 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by pianowizard (Post 9594418)
^From the article:

"The development will be built in two phases with the taller north tower going first, followed by the shorter south tower. It is possible with a rebound in the market that the eventual southern tower could become taller before its groundbreaking, much like the original plan."

"Having already been approved by the city, Related is planning to break ground on the north tower towards the end of 2022 with an anticipated completion date in 2024, as announced on the updated project website."

I was curious about the 'updated project website' when the video was posted the other day.

But apparently the website hasn't changed (regarding the completion date) according to the archive.org waybackmachine since like last April or so. It has said 'in development' and with the 2024 anticipated completion since then. I guess people didn't actually expect the website was going to be accurate? (and just assumed that it must have changed recently)

Current https://www.relatedmidwest.com/our-c...ke-shore-drive

From last April https://web.archive.org/web/20210411...ke-shore-drive

left of center Apr 11, 2022 2:06 AM

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Originally Posted by pianowizard (Post 9594418)
^From the article:

"The development will be built in two phases with the taller north tower going first, followed by the shorter south tower. It is possible with a rebound in the market that the eventual southern tower could become taller before its groundbreaking, much like the original plan."

"Having already been approved by the city, Related is planning to break ground on the north tower towards the end of 2022 with an anticipated completion date in 2024, as announced on the updated project website."

Oh damn, nice! If all goes well with the leasing of the first tower and they want to increase the height of the second tower, I would imagine they wouldn't make them twins in height. If they keep the existing differential in height (110'), then that south tower could potentially reach supertall status, or pretty damn close to it (875' + 110' = 985'). Would they be able to do this as of right under the existing zoning? I believe they were approved for more units than they are currently going for, with them having reduced the height and density themselves based what they at that time assumed to be much lower demand as a result of the pandemic.

JK47 Apr 12, 2022 1:38 AM

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Originally Posted by left of center (Post 9594836)
Oh damn, nice! If all goes well with the leasing of the first tower and they want to increase the height of the second tower, I would imagine they wouldn't make them twins in height. If they keep the existing differential in height (110'), then that south tower could potentially reach supertall status, or pretty damn close to it (875' + 110' = 985'). Would they be able to do this as of right under the existing zoning? I believe they were approved for more units than they are currently going for, with them having reduced the height and density themselves based what they at that time assumed to be much lower demand as a result of the pandemic.


Since this is Related...the affordable minivan of developers...there's zero chance any of this happens. Far more likely that they'll make it even more boring than the current proposal.

SoilSprout Apr 12, 2022 3:01 AM

^ Right, not worried about the lack of height on this one. Just hope the design doesn't lose any more of its quality. The loss of terra cotta was a big hit but it could still turn out nice if they keep the details of vertical metal elements.

A bit scary to see the status of the project listed as "design in progress" on the SOM site, especially with rumors of groundbreaking in the near future. Could just be an outdated page though.

Ned.B Apr 12, 2022 2:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SoilSprout (Post 9596017)
A bit scary to see the status of the project listed as "design in progress" on the SOM site, especially with rumors of groundbreaking in the near future. Could just be an outdated page though.

It could also be an oversimplification. I manage the database for active projects in my office and they fall into 3 basic categories: design, construction, and complete. Projects are listed as being in the design phase until they break ground. Plus it implies more action on the part of the architect to say "design in progress" rather than "design complete and on hold awaiting construction."

SoilSprout Apr 13, 2022 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Ned.B (Post 9596269)
It could also be an oversimplification. I manage the database for active projects in my office and they fall into 3 basic categories: design, construction, and complete. Projects are listed as being in the design phase until they break ground. Plus it implies more action on the part of the architect to say "design in progress" rather than "design complete and on hold awaiting construction."

Thank you for the insight! That all makes plenty of sense

rivernorthlurker Apr 18, 2022 2:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Ned.B (Post 9596269)
It could also be an oversimplification. I manage the database for active projects in my office and they fall into 3 basic categories: design, construction, and complete. Projects are listed as being in the design phase until they break ground. Plus it implies more action on the part of the architect to say "design in progress" rather than "design complete and on hold awaiting construction."

Though I wonder given their project page on the Related site https://www.relatedmidwest.com/our-c...ke-shore-drive and SOM https://www.som.com/projects/400-lake-shore-drive/

Both primarily only show renders of the overall form - and then of just the lake path... Previously there were many more close up renders of the building and the entrance. I wonder if this is because some of the design is being reworked/finalized. It's been 4 (*edited) years since the initial design and almost 2 years since the redesign.

Chicago_Forever Apr 18, 2022 6:45 PM

^I had to double check your facts b/c 6.5 years seems forever ago and though time flies, I didn't think it was that long ago. It looks like the design was initially revealed in May 2018 so, almost 4 years ago. But yea, it's been about 2 years since the redesign. I hope any further tweaks is for the better of the overall design. Both Related and SOM's websites have been in their current states for a while now which is typical until projects move into the construction stage.

rivernorthlurker Apr 18, 2022 7:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Chicago_Forever (Post 9601409)
^I had to double check your facts b/c 6.5 years seems forever ago and though time flies, I didn't think it was that long ago. It looks like the design was initially revealed in May 2018 so, almost 4 years ago. But yea, it's been about 2 years since the redesign. I hope any further tweaks is for the better of the overall design. Both Related and SOM's websites have been in their current states for a while now which is typical until projects move into the construction stage.

Er thanks for correction (changed), but yeah 4 years is still a pretty long time.

I thought there were a lot more photos of the current design released 2 years ago but those aren't being shown on either of their sites. Maybe they never were. But I'm almost 100% sure the redesign entrance/courtyard was shown on Related's site but it's not there now.

galleyfox Sep 14, 2022 5:47 PM

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Originally Posted by PHX31 (Post 9730892)
Forgive my completely uninformed (and lazy since i'm not researching it myself) question: but what ever happened to the Chicago Spire project? I think if I remember right construction began years and years ago and was ultimately halted.

Is the site still as it was years ago (I remember a deep circular hole)? Is something else proposed/planned by this point? Is the spire still going to be built? Or has something already been built?

The Spire was cancelled, and the hole is still there.

There is a new proposal from Related Midwest and SOM, but who knows when or if it will happen.

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/H96J...__Merrill_.jpg

https://chicago.curbed.com/2018/5/24...velopment-news

PHX31 Sep 14, 2022 8:50 PM

/\ That looks like a mighty proposal for the site. Incredible that it's been a decade since the spire has been dead.

IMADreamer Sep 14, 2022 9:08 PM

While I was really excited for the Spire if they could build those there that would be a really nice addition.

dropdeaded209 Sep 15, 2022 7:28 AM

not that this makes it any more of an inevitability, but at the Dept. of Planning in City Hall (10th floor) there is a large model of the city in the elevator lobby, and these two towers are already plugged into it.

Chicagolover88 Jan 3, 2023 1:35 PM

I thought this was suppose to break ground at the end of 2022

Zapatan Jan 3, 2023 5:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Chicagolover88 (Post 9829151)
I thought this was suppose to break ground at the end of 2022

Plans change, especially in volatile and uncertain times.

Chicago has built a lot this cycle, so it's hard to imagine enough demand for 800-1000 foot buildings until 5-10 years from now or whenever the next one is.

Hopefully developers like Related, Magellan and CIM Group will shelf the currently proposed projects and hold onto the sites until better times.

HomrQT Jan 14, 2023 5:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Zapatan (Post 9829311)
Plans change, especially in volatile and uncertain times.

Chicago has built a lot this cycle, so it's hard to imagine enough demand for 800-1000 foot buildings until 5-10 years from now or whenever the next one is.

Hopefully developers like Related, Magellan and CIM Group will shelf the currently proposed projects and hold onto the sites until better times.

Seems like the demand for housing is here right now.

The Pimp Jan 23, 2023 3:33 PM

This site is an eyesore. Related should be forced to do something with the site if they do not plan on building for the next 5 years. I used to live in the townhouses right next to the site. Our association would complain incessantly to the city and Related to cover the hole. It's on our front door step.

Zapatan Jan 23, 2023 6:52 PM

^^ At this point they should just make it a park...

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Originally Posted by HomrQT (Post 9839074)
Seems like the demand for housing is here right now.

If that were true you'd think they'd build.

The other condo sales seem to be doing well but maybe their thinking is that those buildings have partially saturated the market already and satisfied the demand.

JuliusDoaner Jan 23, 2023 11:47 PM

How is it that the West Loop has thousands of units under construction, meanwhile this location literally in the best location in the city can't get under way?

maru2501 Jan 23, 2023 11:49 PM

covid, demand, economics, market forces.. other than that nothing

marothisu Jan 24, 2023 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by maru2501 (Post 9847033)
covid, demand, economics, market forces.. other than that nothing

West Loop is also hipper than Streeterville and has more stuff from that angle to do. So there's that as well. But that shouldn't stop this thing from happening anyway.

Randomguy34 Jan 24, 2023 1:22 AM

Also, don't forget that this is Related Midwest we're talking about. They'll sit years on a project before they start construction.

Zapatan Jan 24, 2023 2:45 AM

I wish Onni or Crescent Heights would take over.

For how much longer is Reilley the Alderman? I know it probably won't happen but it'd be nice if another developer got approval for something better.

It's a decent project as is but could be much more.

Tom In Chicago Jan 24, 2023 2:47 PM

^Reilly is running unopposed. . . and besides, he literally has nothing to do with the timeline of this development. . .

. . .

Zapatan Jan 24, 2023 4:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom In Chicago (Post 9847343)
^Reilly is running unopposed. . . and besides, he literally has nothing to do with the timeline of this development. . .

I know he doesn't have to do with the timeline, but he's the reason the height was chopped.

If someone else took over the site, the building would need to be reapproved and it'd be better if there were a different alderman, that's why I asked.

Sucks he's running unopposed.

build_tall_chicago Jan 25, 2023 4:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Zapatan (Post 9847445)
I know he doesn't have to do with the timeline, but he's the reason the height was chopped.

If someone else took over the site, the building would need to be reapproved and it'd be better if there were a different alderman, that's why I asked.

Sucks he's running unopposed.

I think the height chop was because he fought for the parking to be underground and not have an ugly podium. I support that decision even if it means it comes with a height chop.

2PRUROCKS! Jan 25, 2023 1:47 PM

Reilly also rejected the hotel component which taken together with the podium elimination seem to be the main reasons for the height reduction. I actually liked the previous podium design and how it shielded LSD from this project and "lifted" the buildings above LSD.

Toasty Joe Jan 25, 2023 5:47 PM

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Originally Posted by 2PRUROCKS! (Post 9848312)
Reilly also rejected the hotel component which taken together with the podium elimination seem to be the main reasons for the height reduction. I actually liked the previous podium design and how it shielded LSD from this project and "lifted" the buildings above LSD.

agreed... one podium that actually worked because it solved other issues besides car storage.

cozy Feb 1, 2023 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Chicagolover88 (Post 9829151)
I thought this was suppose to break ground at the end of 2022

a damn shame. time marches on. :(


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