Found on ebay today.


Buffalo Bill's Wild West Show parade, April 1914. ---> pan right

http://imageshack.us/a/img502/9900/s...april1914e.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Los-Angeles-...item460cbd5ad7

The crenellated building at far right resembles the Los Angeles Times Building..but I think it's a different building.

Great billboards by the way.
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Dragon Bamboo Slide, Venice Pier
 

The end, January 1948:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps10a18d8c.jpg
USC Digital Library (http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...id/90940/rec/1)

A couple shots of the 122-foot-high ride from January and April 1946, the year the entire pier was condemned:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psb91b8a2a.jpg
LAPL (http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics45/00057221.jpg)

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps65d1aa87.jpg
LAPL (http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics45/00057225.jpg)

From the right angle, as in this 1928 shot, it looked like a rocket and gantry:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psbd44b046.jpg
LAPL (http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics45/00057233.jpg)

:previous: Whoa..that first photograph is surreal Flyingwedge.
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"Looking east from High School 1867. First Episcopal Church."
http://imageshack.us/a/img838/4054/aabeast1867ebay.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1867-LOS-ANG...item53f510eb09

This is the first time I've seen the First Episcopal Church from this angle (the back). I am pretty sure there is a photograph of the front
of the church earlier in the thread. (I'm still searching)
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Another amazing ebay find...Fort Street 1870s.

http://imageshack.us/a/img405/8537/a...t1870sebay.jpg
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1870s-80s-FO...item53f510ec1f

Broadway at First Street?
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It looks like St. Athanasius Episcopal Church. It was the first Protestant church built in LA and was located at the SW corner of Temple and New High.

This must be looking west on Temple (undated by LAPL; USC says 1874):
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps6f8af2f4.jpg
LAPL (http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics13/00026354.jpg)

According to LAPL's caption, this picture dates to 187_ and that's Rev. & Mrs. Messenger standing in the doorway, but see below:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps9eb0e662.jpg
LAPL (http://jpg1.lapl.org/00076/00076311.jpg)

USC (http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...id/8816/rec/10) dates the bottom pic at 1864 and includes the original handwritten caption,
which seems to refer to "Rev. Mr. Messenger" only (no spouse).
St. Athanasius (http://stathanasius.ladiocese.org/) dates the bottom pic at 1865.
San Gabriel Cemetery (http://sangabrielcemetery.com/history) says Henry Messenger was in charge of St. Athanasius from 1866-68, so
maybe that's the final word on the bottom pic's date? Perhaps the church initially couldn't afford the front window and 2nd door.

# # #

In 1883, the building became the LA County Assessor's Office:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps2a9ae5d1.jpg
LAPL (http://jpg1.lapl.org/00076/00076313.jpg)

Here's the building in 1891, shortly before its demise, with the still-clockless County Courthouse in the background:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps4fbb8bdb.jpg
Paradise Leased (http://paradiseleased.files.wordpres...jjr6555acp.jpg)

According to Paradise Leased, the original 1860s-era bell from St. Athanasius lives on at the Church of the Epiphany at 2808 Altura Street
in Lincoln Heights.

Thanks once again Rick. I wasn't completely comfortable calling it the Baker house. Now I know why.

The multiple track roadbed at Union Station is raised above grade by about ten feet. This wasn't the natural topography of the site. The fill dirt under Union Station is Fort Moore Hill dirt. A fitting resting place, I guess.

Great pics, Flyingwedge!

Funny, because when I first read what the LAPL's caption said, I instantly thought 'hmm, that looks more like the late 1860s.' And I thought that because of the women's clothing--they're wearing hoop skirts, but the hoops aren't as big as the hoops women wore in the earlier 1860s. By 1870, women weren't wearing hoop skirts anymore (they were wearing bustles), and if they were, I'm sure they would've gotten the same reaction that people got if they were still wearing bell-bottoms in the mid-1980s. :P

I am amazed by these two photographs Flyingwedge! I had no idea the little church survived for so long.

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Yes, I believe you're right. We're standing on Poundcake Hill, south of the high school, near where the old Hall of Records would be built. The two rows of houses in the foreground, which are sitting at an angle to the main grid, would be facing Franklin St. (aka Jail St.), which ran from Spring to Broadway.

Here is a later postcard view of about the same angle:

http://www.csulb.edu/~odinthor/CourtS.jpg
A Visit to Old Los Angeles

Today, the houses in the nearest foreground would be sitting in Grand Park, while the houses on the other side of Franklin, and the fenced lot behind them, would be mostly on the foundation and grounds of the old state building.

The view today:

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-t...137%2520AM.jpg
Google Street View

Since New High Street is gone, this intersection is now mid-block on Temple, about 2/5 of the way from Spring to Main. The church property is at the corner of city hall's lawn, with the back end of the church possibly sticking out into present-day Spring Street.

Don't know if I've mentioned it before, but Google Earth is extremely helpful in placing these kinds of photos that include disappeared streets. There is a project that overlays old USGS topo maps into Google Earth, which can be found here:
http://www.gelib.com/historic-topographic-maps.htm

You download the index, and then you can turn on an old USGS map for a particular area. The one covering downtown LA is from 1928, and shows lots of old alignments and missing streets like New High and Franklin. You can use the transparency slider to move back and forth between the old USGS topo and the modern aerial photo and see exactly where stuff used to be.

I'm new to the fuorum and have not yet learned how to post photots - but I think it's the old Armory, aka the Copeland Building (1908) at 8th & Spring?

Welcome to the thread noircitydame. It'll be good for these rowdies to have another lady around. Hope you don't mind the rough language.

The Armory
 

Yes, that's it, shown below in this 1908 view:
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-I...229%2520PM.jpg
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...id/1927/rec/19

Welcome NCD

T2

Thank you so much ProphetM. Excellent info.

Reply: Ocean View Ave.
 

Ethereal Reality, thanks for the post of the late 1800's photos that show Ocean Ave!

I never made the connection that the long broad hill with the Victorian homes was Ocean View Ave. This makes me want to go back up there to see if I can find remnants/ clues of homes from the late 1890's.

Your reply inspired me to do some searching of my files. I found this photo from USC digital I had saved 8 years ago and it has Ocean View Ave. And I can make out the Onion Dome building, the brick apartment building from Coronado Ave, and the Craftsman House from my original post. (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=12552)

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w...wElks1925.jpeg

USC Digital Archives
http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...d/90806/rec/31

Here is the detail with the onion dome apt and craftsman labeled. Notice the oil wells at the top of the hill.

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w...1d0183478c.jpg

USC Digital Archives (detail)

ER, this photo you posted... that lady in the middle with that AMAZING hat gets mad props for being so proper!

http://imageshack.us/a/img252/2002/a...kphoto1907.jpg
ebay

And as I am writing this, I just found this photo. It is even older than the other one and the hill top appears to have more oil wells.

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w...eanViewold.jpg

LAPL Digital Photo Collection
http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics02/00010809.jpg

A friend of my father, Mrs. Mary Duffield, would talk of the time when they would ride (car or horse/buggy) out to the "West Reservoir" for picnics when she was a child. I am guessing she meant about the late 1800's...these pictures give me an idea of what she was talking about...wonderful.

Thanks for the information Noircitydame, and welcome to the thread! I should have known it was the Copeland Building.
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...and thanks for the info. on Fort Street ProphetM. -much appreciated.

Thanks for the welcome everyone! Just as a hobby I've been making a database of buildings in the LA downtown core that existed as of 1934 and every time I looked up an obscure fact or building, this forum almost always came up. I really appreciate it.

If the language gets too rough I'll just take a powder to the powder room.

Olvera Street
 

Just for comparison, this shot of unpaved Olvera Street is dated "late 1920s" by the source:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-N...621%2520PM.jpg
http://waterandpower.org/museum/Earl..._(Page_2).html