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McBane Jul 29, 2022 2:55 PM

Even though I've never been to Philly apparently, I'd like to say that it seems a bit early to demo this perfectly fine structure. I just hope they're serious about this proposal and we don't end up with a hole in the ground for years on end. But if this is really moving forward then WOW!

PurpleWhiteOut Jul 29, 2022 3:35 PM

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Originally Posted by McBane (Post 9689024)
Even though I've never been to Philly apparently, I'd like to say that it seems a bit early to demo this perfectly fine structure. I just hope they're serious about this proposal and we don't end up with a hole in the ground for years on end. But if this is really moving forward then WOW!

The nondescript one story building with Cavanaughs is the only one getting complete demolition anyway

mcgrath618 Jul 29, 2022 3:56 PM

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Originally Posted by McBane (Post 9689024)
Even though I've never been to Philly apparently, I'd like to say that it seems a bit early to demo this perfectly fine structure. I just hope they're serious about this proposal and we don't end up with a hole in the ground for years on end. But if this is really moving forward then WOW!

Yeah the three or four buildings fronting 19th and the couple fronting Chestnut are only having their rears demolished. The facades are all being restored a la Rittenhouse Coffee and the tower built behind them (a la St James).

summersm343 Jul 30, 2022 6:56 PM

Boom! Love it. That means work on this tower is likely starting soon :cheers:

Stg4100 Aug 7, 2022 9:36 PM

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Originally Posted by PurpleWhiteOut (Post 9689083)
The nondescript one story building with Cavanaughs is the only one getting complete demolition anyway

I have to get to Cavanaughs for a last beer then

City Wide Aug 9, 2022 1:53 PM

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Originally Posted by summersm343 (Post 9690097)
Boom! Love it. That means work on this tower is likely starting soon :cheers:


Patience grasshopper! But I too am excited to see this one get started. To me this one is a turning point of sorts for apartments in the City. Taller and probably more costly than any other built for rental. Plus, it's a pretty good looking design.

skyhigh07 Aug 9, 2022 2:04 PM

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Originally Posted by City Wide (Post 9697600)
Patience grasshopper! But I too am excited to see this one get started. To me this one is a turning point of sorts for apartments in the City. Taller and probably more costly than any other built for rental. Plus, it's a pretty good looking design.

Has this been redesigned? Thought I saw a new rendering where the facade looked different (and not as good frankly).

TK2001 Aug 10, 2022 8:22 AM

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Originally Posted by skyhigh07 (Post 9697613)
Has this been redesigned? Thought I saw a new rendering where the facade looked different (and not as good frankly).

Page 9 post #165 showcases my renderings of the tower based of the most recent documents above and below post #165. Official renderings of this new design hasn't been released, but I lined up my model with the document as best as I could to visualize what we might soon see

Justin7 Aug 10, 2022 1:12 PM

I believe these are the two versions we've seen.

From the CDR:
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Originally Posted by mcgrath618 (Post 9069322)

vs


From ?:
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Originally Posted by TK2001 (Post 9490826)
So, this project is now dubbed Harper Square. And I found this rendering showing what could be the redesigned 611 foot tall tower
https://aws1.discourse-cdn.com/busin...58c3e574e.jpeg
Image via: https://centercityphila.org/research...evelopmentsmap

For what it's worth, centercityphila.org now has the same image as the CDR. Hopefully this bottom image is just an old mockup that leaked.

mcgrath618 Aug 10, 2022 2:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Justin7 (Post 9698666)
I believe these are the two versions we've seen.

From the CDR:


vs


From ?:


For what it's worth, centercityphila.org now has the same image as the CDR. Hopefully this bottom image is just an old mockup that leaked.

Simple logic here, the CDR rendering is higher fidelity. The devs likely paid more money for it (implying that they are more committed to that design).

McBane Aug 10, 2022 2:32 PM

Ugh that second version looks like a slightly elevated version of NYC public housing high rises. But I am pessimistic a developer would attempt a luxury tower without balconies. I feel like there was an interview with Dranoff when he was hyping Arthaus and one of his takeaways from his recent projects was that buyers wanted more balcony/outdoor space.

mcgrath618 Aug 10, 2022 2:48 PM

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Originally Posted by McBane (Post 9698760)
Ugh that second version looks like a slightly elevated version of NYC public housing high rises. But I am pessimistic a developer would attempt a luxury tower without balconies. I feel like there was an interview with Dranoff when he was hyping Arthaus and one of his takeaways from his recent projects was that buyers wanted more balcony/outdoor space.

The Center City Phila website often has inaccurate and outdated info. I can almost guarantee that what was submitted to CDR is closer to what is being built.

What do you trust, an official submitted document with professional, high-fidelity renderings, or a website that has historically been known to post outdated info (their report every year includes projects that haven't seen movement in over 10 years) posting a 480p rendering?

summersm343 Aug 10, 2022 3:24 PM

I would imagine the CDR submission is more accurate, however, I don't think we know the final design of this one since the height was increased.

Gatorade_Jim Aug 10, 2022 6:51 PM

This will block the WSFS building when walking from the park to Market St. Somehow I hadn’t realized that. What an awesome development. I despise that building.

City Wide Aug 11, 2022 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by McBane (Post 9698760)
Ugh that second version looks like a slightly elevated version of NYC public housing high rises. But I am pessimistic a developer would attempt a luxury tower without balconies. I feel like there was an interview with Dranoff when he was hyping Arthaus and one of his takeaways from his recent projects was that buyers wanted more balcony/outdoor space.

Whatever the final design turns to be, the devil is always in the details. Some developers care more than others, some architects will try harder than others, and some are just better than others. That continues all through the building process.

I personally like balconies from a design side, but I'm guessing they add a noticeable cost and ongoing expense if the building is going to be rental apartments. But I wouldn't be surprised if part or all of this building was designed and built with a future conversion to condos in mind. The developer can keep ownership for 10 or more years, milk the City tax and Federal depreciation for as much as possible, then sell off units as market forces dictate. I wonder if this might happen to the St. James on Washington Sq.

SEFTA Aug 11, 2022 12:57 AM

I hope this doesn't deter 1826 Chestnut Street

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...0c0bccd3_z.jpg1826 Chestnut Street 12-3-20

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...161562ec79.jpg1826 Chestnut Street 12-3-20 b

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...7441a76f_b.jpg1826 Chestnut Street

Knight Hospitaller Aug 11, 2022 3:38 PM

^ Maybe they'll feel the need to go slimmer and taller like one 'o dem Central Park South twigs.

Phillyguy215 Sep 1, 2022 5:02 PM

Here is another “construction anticipated” which to me means “we need content”. If TK don’t write it it’s not worth much to me imo.

https://phillyyimby.com/2022/09/cons...nter-city.html

nemesisinphilly Sep 16, 2022 2:21 PM

Demo permits pulled here for the non-historic parts:

https://eclipse.phila.gov/phillylmsp...ctId=517109906


Address
115-17 S 19TH ST, Philadelphia, PA 19103-4905
Primary Location: 115-17 S 19TH ST, Philadelphia, PA 19103-4905
Specific Location: COMPLETE DEMOLITION OF NON-HISTORIC BUILDINGS 113-119 S. 19TH PER PLANS

thoughtcriminal Sep 16, 2022 2:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Phillyguy215 (Post 9718710)
Here is another “construction anticipated” which to me means “we need content”. If TK don’t write it it’s not worth much to me imo.

https://phillyyimby.com/2022/09/cons...nter-city.html

Doesn't anyone edit this stuff? He has 2 sentences talking about square footage of commercial space and the number of residential units, and contradicts the number of residential units.

"One of the most exciting development proposals on Philadelphia’s drawing boards is Harper Square at 113-21 South 19th Street in Rittenhouse Square, Center City. Designed by DAS Architecture and Planning and developed by Pearl Properties, the slim skyscraper is planned to rise 620 feet and 52 stories tall. The 267,874-square-foot structure will hold 215 residential units and 30,180 square feet of commercial space and incorporate existing historic buildings into the base. The development will include 30,180 square feet of commercial space at the lower floors and 183 residential units above. So far, only a preliminary approval permit had been issued, meaning that construction must await further permits to start,"


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