Does the City Council require the developer to show a render before deciding about the application?

If so, then we could see a render in a month or so...

Rendering.

You paint a painting.

You render a rendering.

Keep in mind here, what's being approved is the plaza, not the tower which is as of right. The text amedment was already approved basically, but they will still need to go back with final drawings of the plaza at some point. As far as the tower itself, Chase doesn't necessarily have to produce renderings, the tower won't even be under construction until late next year. But with demo of the current building about to kick off, you would think they'd want to show what's replacing it.

A good look at 390 Madison from street level where Chase is moving. There will be a branch on the ground floor as well...


https://www.instagram.com/p/BwAiSbbjYwE/

https://scontent-lhr3-1.cdninstagram...MTQ5Mg%3D%3D.2

^^^^

I found Waldo on the crosswalk! :yes:

Latest permits...


http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/Jo...ssdocnumber=01



http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/Jo...ssdocnumber=01

City Council hearing tomorrow...


https://a4.pbase.com/o12/06/102706/1...OBU4OSL.c1.JPG

Chase sure is trying to push through a bunch of modifications to the zoning requirements. :shrug:

Not really. The only modification they want is to move the outdoor plaza to the west side (which would move the bank branch) or Madison Avenue, which is the main zoning modification. The modifications to the text are a result of that one action. Also, the text is being written so that it only applies to this one specific site. So it has to be worded accordingly.

I've looked and listened to Tuesday's hearing. No new graphics, and the information provided was pretty much what we already have. They are still saying the headquarters will house approximately 15,000 people. As of last Friday, 100% of employees at 270 have been relocated. In the interim, 383 Madison Avenue, which Chase says will also need some upgrades, will serve as world headquarters. Council member Powers is still trying to shake down the bank for more general improvements to Park Avenue itself, which frankly is the city's job. Chase hasn't decided exactly where the onsite branch will be, but it won't be on Madison. All in all, things are progressing as expected.

^^^^^

I'm curious how the occupancy population ranks among other structues, being that 270 Park will house 15,000 or so employees.

For example, the original Twins housed 25k people in each tower. I wonder if there is data on total occupancy by headcount for other large towers (30 Hudson, ESB, BOA, 1 WTC, 55 Water St).

^ It would probably fall in line with the size of the towers.


Meanwhile, the MAS testified at the Council hearing on Tuesday, and of course they couldn't just be happy like everyone else...



https://www.mas.org/news/union-carbi...he-very-least/

Union Carbide’s Replacement Should Improve the Public Realm, at the Very Least


Testimony to the New York City Council
APRIL 16, 2019

I think they all see a big, filthy rich client like JPMC, and they all want something from the cookie jar. Sure... let's take advantage and slow the process down.

One of those rare cases where Brewer was actually cooperative in the process, and took what she requested once implemented, and that was it.

But others chiming along... common now... lets cut the bs. What more do folks want from them. Let's get this tower rolling with the aggressive time-table.

Instead of leeching off developments, if they possibly put their efforts in lobbying the city government to fix some of these issues, they might get somewhere, because we all know the allocation and mismanagement of taxes are big issue. But that's another topic for another day.

The requirements were met, now let's get this thing rolling and stop lagging developments! :) :cheers:

They're trying to squeeze every ounce of blood out of the company they can get. There will be a topping point where companies just say, "you know what? screw that. We're moving to Jersey".

The city can do better for it's own public realm.

You really think that?

In a way, I wouldn't mind that. I'd like to see more action in Jersey City or even Newark ( I kind of view those two cities as unofficial boroughs). Its great that NY is getting all of the love, but how about some love for NJ, given that where both from the Garden State! :)

Part of me would love if Jersey City trolled NYC and the regions new tallest was on the NJ side. That's would be a priceless moment right there.

If transportation between Jersey City and Manhattan becomes much more convenient, reliable and cheaper, I bet lots of companies would start building headquarters in the former instead of the latter.

Yes, I would love to see that!

I don't think they'd move to JC. They'd go to Charlotte, Atlanta, Dallas, or Nashville where middle-class people can afford to live.

I don't just think it. I know some people on here may be too young too remember. But Jersey City didn't always have shiny new office or residential towers on the waterfront. And that's just assuming they even want to stay close to Manhattan. There's always Connecticut, or any number of other states businesses could relocate to if the climate became too hostile. There doesn't need to be a mass exodus, but the city and state have both been known to issue breaks to corporations to retain them in the city. You can only go so far, and I think the politicians know that. But they're going to test the limits. Meanwhile, both the city and state collect enough in taxes to provide the city with decent streets and sidewalks. And of course, whether Chase is here or not, transit has to be maintained.

The problem with moving to New Jersey is that then you're in New Jersey.